And Bush continues on to screwing the juice out of the economy in the distant fairydream that one day we will succeed in Iraq. McCain share the same dream with him. Doing that motivated by ego rather than logic is more selfish than anything. The entire nation suffers.
God help us all!
Teggy, how old are you? Ever heard of Marshall Plan? you do know that US is still in Germany and Japan...right.
How do you know he gets his kicks? Because of 2 sermons by Wright played in the media where Obama wasn’t even present?. I think it’s more that *you *get your kicks pinning a couple of this pastor’s idiotic sermons as if Obama wrote them himself. That is ridiculous. I’m sure there are some idotic things your imam has said that I wouldn’t dream of extrapolating and say “well Kaleem is obvious _______ because his imam said __________”. That is a red herring. Intellectually dishonest.
Hypocrite is name calling? I more see it as a summary of GOP policies. Here’s a great read: http://www.gophypocrites.com/
Teggy, how old are you? Ever heard of Marshall Plan? you do know that US is still in Germany and Japan...right.
He is probably old enough to know that Germany and Japan were not in a midst of a civil war nor had an insurgency working against the US and local government.
Teggy, how old are you? Ever heard of Marshall Plan? you do know that US is still in Germany and Japan...right.
Kaleem! I'm not the only one questioning Bush's doings. The man has no plan and the only thing that drives him to stay on the course of more chaos is 'Stay the course'. You would think he would present a realistic view of events taking place, but Nope!. For a man of his caliber, coming from a father who was in the same situation but did the right thing by going in, and out in a timely manner, he's proving pretty pathetic.
Oh and lets see....we still haven't found WMDz and neither did Iraq have anything to do with 9/11!...the only two factors that led us into war in the first place. How can you still justify that?
Before Bush took office the economy was at its best, we had surplus after years, and now we've in the negative again, and it's not over yet my friend. Our kids maybe paying for this uncalled war for a long time.
My belief is that McCain would follow in the steps of Dubya and maintain 'Stay the course' policy, and very likely expand it to attack Iran as well. That would be a very ugly situation. Its the willingness to talk to people and adopt diplomatic ways that have given America its supreme status in the history. GOP and Republican senators/congressmen's silence and blank checks until recently gave the Republican party a bad name. Not to mention countless scandals that were directly associated and proved to Republicans.
Democrats on the other hand would like to concentrate on Economy as well as International affairs. You need to keep both eyes open and balance the equation. The pseudo-phobia that Democrats will not be able to protect the nation is false and lacks substance.
Kaleem! I'm not the only one questioning Bush's doings. The man has no plan and the only thing that drives him to stay on the course of more chaos is 'Stay the course'. You would think he would present a realistic view of events taking place, but Nope!. For a man of his caliber, coming from a father who was in the same situation but did the right thing by going in, and out in a timely manner, he's proving pretty pathetic.
Teggy, I am not disputing the mishandling or even going into Iraq as a questionable move.
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Oh and lets see....we still haven't found WMDz and neither did Iraq have anything to do with 9/11!...the only two factors that led us into war in the first place. How can you still justify that?
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Again, I am not justifying the war and as a matter of fact neither did McCain. he said we will be there next hundred years and it was said jokingly. In addition, my reference to Germany, Japan and Marshall plan is completely lost on you. You need to look into that.
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Before Bush took office the economy was at its best, we had surplus after years, and now we've in the negative again, and it's not over yet my friend. Our kids maybe paying for this uncalled war for a long time.
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Not true. Economy was already on the downswing. Please refrain from repeating what the Democrats talking heads have told you. Look into the economic numbers yourself and you will see that towards the end of Clinton's presidency the economy was cooling down and downward trend was imminent.
Paying for war: I do not see you up in arms for paying for Germany, japan and for a good measure all the illegals.
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My belief is that McCain would follow in the steps of Dubya and maintain 'Stay the course' policy, and very likely expand it to attack Iran as well. That would be a very ugly situation. Its the willingness to talk to people and adopt diplomatic ways that have given America its supreme status in the history. GOP and Republican senators/congressmen's silence and blank checks until recently gave the Republican party a bad name. Not to mention countless scandals that were directly associated and proved to Republicans.
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Do you have a habit of making baseless accusations? Which Scndals? BTW: If the democrats were serious about ending this war they would have done so by cutting the funding. They had the chance twice, but did not do so. What does that tell you? They are as inept as W and will adopt the same line when it comes to war in Iraq. They do not have the balls to stand up and do what they believe is right. They have a history of doing this and will continue to do so.
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Democrats on the other hand would like to concentrate on Economy as well as International affairs. You need to keep both eyes open and balance the equation. The pseudo-phobia that Democrats will not be able to protect the nation is false and lacks substance.
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yeah right. Who exactly will do that? Congress? Senate? President? lets see Dems have the controls of the house and senate and what exactly have they done to ease the pain of the Americans in these trying economic times?
How will a so called "golden boy" who has next to none experience will do that? Where is his economic plan? Speaking of "dialog" or lack thereof , I point you to Obama's comments on Pakistan and Hillary's threat to Iran. Do I need to go on or do you get the picture now.
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There are many mistakes, lies, miscues and blunders that will define Bush’s presidency for eternity. Taking the surplus he inherited from Clinton and turning into a multi-trillion dollar deficit that will never be paid off ranks pretty high on the list.
Also ranking high on the failure list for this administrationare endless lies and scandals that have plagued it and brought shame and dishonor to this country. And this from the guy who said he’d bring honor back to the white house :hehe:
So no, Teggy, your accusations are from from baseless. The scandals are endless:
http://www.ecolivingcenter.com/board/politics/messages/73.html
http://dkosopedia.com/wiki/Republican_Sex_Scandals
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/11/08/AR2006110800623.html
http://gwbworstever.com/republicans.htm
http://archive.democrats.com/preview.cfm?term=Republican%20Scandals
etc
etc
etc
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each and every single website is either a mouthpiece of democrats, heck even one has word democrat in it, one is wikipedia style and we all know they are very reliable. Please Semi, bring something that is credible besides etc etc.
BTW: The biggest failure of Slick Willy...was letting Osama escape when he had him in the cross hair, then turned around and killed innocents in Sudan to save his face. This is from top of my head and I dont need right leaning websites to support my claim. If I had the time and inclination to do so, I am sure I will find a lot of stuff about dems....but it is a waste of time. I do, however, encourage you to seek credible sources :)
Nice job of side stepping the actual debate, i.e. Obama is inexperienced and has no credibility or courage to lead this country. You did not attempt to answer any of my queries, rather paste some liberal spewing links.
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Kaleem, no one needs any websites to to tell them how destructive Bush and the GOP have been these past 8 years to America and the greater good of the world, they need just be alive. You can't spin reality Kaleem.
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^ UTD, don't forget the biggest claim to Bill Clinton's fame was due to the republican house and senate. Yes the laws and legislations passed in that period were the reasons for the economic boom not his slickness. Also, the destruction caused by Bush makes these democrats in house and senate partly culpable as well. You cannot take the credit at one hand and assign blame to others when things are not going well.
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The best thing the Dem's have down since taking over Congress with a slight majority 16 months ago was pushing Bush into lame-duck status. The fact is, the Dem's with only a slight majority and not having the White House limits what they can do. They simply do not have the power to repair all which Bush has wrecked. Without the two-thirds majority in Congress required to defeat a Bush veto the destruction by the Republican White House will remain until an Obama Presidency can start the clean up in January 09. But thankfully Congress now has the power to limit any additional damage that can be done by the Republicans.
C'mon Kaleem, be honest. Discredit any facts concerning the scores of scandals mentioned on those site instead of the mamy pamby excuse of "mouthpiece of democrats". Who else is going to devote websites to the unrivaled corruptoion of the past 8 years? Rush Limbaugh? There is nothing wrong with those sources. The corruptions, scandals, lies and deceit are all WELL DOCUMENTED FACTS. Please don't lose any thread of credibility you have by denying it. That info can be found any where.
I would address your queries except there really aren't any. Just insults based on emotions and assumptions. What experience, credibility or courage did GW have when the supreme court gave him the election?
Surely, Obama's experience, credibility and courage dwarf that pitiful resume.
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First of all supreme court did not give him the election. The democrat arse kissers media members from all over teh country were the part of the recount. Every recount confirmed Bush's victory so get over that. Stop spreading lies. I understand that is all you have left, but come on grow up and accept the fact that your party lost.
You want me paste the accomplishments of Obama here. Take a look:
Yes, that is right. Exactly nothing. Just like his empty rhetoric and promises.
The best thing the Dem's have down since taking over Congress with a slight majority 16 months ago was pushing Bush into lame-duck status. The fact is, the Dem's with only a slight majority and not having the White House limits what they can do. They simply do not have the power to repair all which Bush has wrecked. Without the two-thirds majority in Congress required to defeat a Bush veto the destruction by the Republican White House will remain until an Obama Presidency can start the clean up in January 09. But thankfully Congress now has the power to limit any additional damage that can be done by the Republicans.
UTD, please. You can do this song and dance for someone who is new to this country. Twice the dems had the chance to put their money where their hypocritical mouths have been...but they failed to deliver each time. How typical. They can talk tough all day long, we will not approve funding blah blah, but at the end of the day they crumble.
BTW: How exactly do you take credit for Slick Willy work when Republicans controlled both the house and senate with overwhelming majority.... How did he seem to work it out? The answer is he had the will and guts to go across the aisle, but theses present dems have neither.
Buzz! Wrong!
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All About Obama:
Background :
Worked for $13,000 / year helping inner city Chicago poor.
Registered 150,000 people to vote. Graduated first black
president of Harvard Law Review, passed over 600 high money
law firm offers to work for civil rights practice at fractional pay.
State senate :
Adds health insurance for 20,000 children, Welfare reform,
Earned income tax credit, increased minimum wage ($5.15 to
$6.50). Death penalty reform making interrogations be video
taped passed Senate 58-0, signed to law by governor who first
opposed Obama’s bill. Sponsored bill probing police profiling.
Obama opposed Iraq war publically, long before the invasion.
Accurately depicted it as undetermined length, undetermined
cost, undetermined objective, resulting as civil war. Same
assessment Bush Sr. & Dick Cheney both gave in early 90’s.
Federal senate :
Worked with republican senator Lugar to expand and author
program to locate & dismantle stray Russian WMD’s left over
from the cold war after the disbanding of the USSR.
Jan. 2007, major ethics/lobbying reform bill, w/ Russ Feingold
insisted tougher measures banning lobbyist gifts/ meals/ jets,
disclosure of earmark & contribution bundling to candidates or
committees; restricts retiring Congress from going into lobbying
Toured Kuwait, Jordan, Israel, Palestinian territories, he told
Palestinian Authority Abbas that US would never recognize
Hamas leaders until they renounced mission to attack Israel.
In Africa, publicly took AIDS test as example of responsibility
Obama cosponsored Secure Orderly Immigration Act by John McCain. Passed 62-36. Makes undocumented persons who
have been here 5+ years only allowed to stay and apply for
citizenship, if pay back taxes, learn English and no criminal
record. 2 million undocumented persons who have been in the
United States for less than two years would be ordered home.
Called for increased fuel efficiency standards (3% / year)
10 years of senate experience (8 state senate 2 federal)
with much aisle crossing bi-partisan solutions.
In state senate, sponsored 780 bills, 280 were signed into law.
100% approval rating: League of Conservation Voters,
Planned Parenthood.
National Education Association
gives him an “A” on their most recent scorecard.
His first year as U.S. Senator, Obama held 39 town hall
meetings throughout Illinois, and in senate, sponsored
152 bills and resolutions, and cosponsored 427 more
Speaker Harry Reid designated Barack Obama as the
Senate point man on ethics. Obama is known for unquestionable ethics and integrity.
see where he stands on issues at:
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/
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Coming from his own Website....ok.
Every single item has been spruced up by his spindoctoring team. These are regular daily activities of any senator. Please tell me why is he qualified to be a president? I will tell you why he is not, he is a racist, divides Americans by labeling people as "bitter americans", only distance himself from hate spewing bigots when cornered otherwise laps up their thoughts and claims in his book that his though process is greatly influenced by the bigot. You cannot refute these, he said so in his own book. Please, tell me a new joke ...Obama and integrity do not go together.. more like Obama the racist.
Kaleem, Obama is older than Clinton, JFK or Teddy Roosevelt were when they were first elected. He is older than MLK was when he gave his "I have a dream" speech. He is older than Thomas Jefferson was when he wrote the Delcartation of Independence.
Unlike Bush, he graduated from Havard Law School magna cum laude. He was in the Illinois State senate for 8 years, a senator for 4 where he has been chairman of the foreign relations subcommitte on European affairs and member of 4 other senate committees.
We aren't electing someone based on years on earth or years in Washington. I base it on on their platform, intelligence, ideals, integrity, honesty decision making and the ability to bring the country together.
BTW, its the "Divider" (not the "Uniter") who has not had the guts, will or humility to work across party lines, not the dems.
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LOL, a GOP supporter calling out Obama as a racist. That's classic.
A GOP supporter accusing a dem of having hateful suppoters - the height of hypocrisy. The GOP is CHOCK FULL of racist religious bigots. They owe the past couple of elections soley to their activism (and hatred). These same racist religious bigots (that are the backbone of the GOP) also happen to think Islam is an evil religion and Muhammad a terrorist. Ouch. You must have to swallow hard when you wave their flag.
A GOP supporter calling Obama divisive - now that's the kicker. This administration has been, by leaps and bounds, the most divisive in my lifetime, probably ever.
Kaleem, you are grasping at straws and not doing a very good job at it. Your whole argument is based on a few of his pastor's comments. Yet you are head over heals for the GOP. Curious... do you have to take a bath after sleeping with these people?
http://www.counterpunch.org/lindorff05302008.html
Obama and the Indispensable Enemies
Talk is Cheap
By DAVE LINDORFF
What the hell is Barack Obama talking about?
He says that America should be talking with leaders in Cuba, Iran, Venezuela, Korea, Syria. Fine. But he calls this “talking with our enemies."
What enemies
Let’s get something straight. Enemies are people who are fighting against you, who are trying to destroy you. Is Cuba fighting against America? Is Iran fighting against America? Is Venezuela fighting against America? Syria? China? No. These countries may be rivals, but they are not enemies.
The closest we come to having an actual enemy in today’s world is North Korea, where we are technically still in some kind of truce following a hot war, but of course that war itself has been over for half a frigging century, and nobody has been killing anyone on the Korean Peninsula in decades.
The truth is, America doesn’t have any real enemies, except for the ones it has made for itself in Iraq and Afghanistan, and of course the Al Qaeda organization. But Al Qaeda is a gang of terrorists, not a country, and in Afghanistan it is movement, the Taliban, once the government of that country, which we overthrew. And even there, where we have enemies, talk is better than war. It is obvious that at some point if we are ever to exit from Iraq and Afghanistan, there will have to be talks with the people we are fighting. Afghanistan’s leaders have said this—that there will have to be talks with the Taliban. And Bush’s own “Iraq Study Group,” headed by former Republican Secretary of State James Baker and former Democratic Congressman Lee Hamilton, concluded that the US will have to negotiate to settle the Iraq conflict. Both those processes should be begun immediately, not after more thousands have been killed.
By calling other countries “enemies,” Obama fell into a trap of his own making, though admittedly, he’s not the first to define all these rival nations as enemies. It’s a logical outcome of the Bush/Cheney position that “either you’re with us or you’re against us.”
Instead of buying into that nonsense, Obama should have questioned the premise. Then he wouldn’t be in the mess he’s in now, trying to fine-tune whom he would talk to and whom he wouldn’t talk to. Erstwhile Democratic presidential candidate and former Alaskan Senator Mike Gravel had it right when, during an early TV “debate” before the media decided to black him out, he replied to the moderator’s stupid question to all the candidates of “Who, after Iran, are America’s biggest enemies?” He challenged the premise, asking, “Iran’s not our enemy. Who are we afraid of? We don’t have any enemies.” He got one of the biggest applauses of the evening for that.
As for the basic point—talking with people we have disagreements or rivalries with—it is obvious that not talking is idiotic, and gets you nowhere—or worse, into a war.
Let’s take Cuba. For exactly half a century since its Communist revolution, we have treated Cuba like a mortal enemy, blockading the country, forcing other countries to join us in an embargo (an act of war, by the way), plotting and attempting to assassinate the country’s leader, Fidel Castro, and financing and supporting an obsessed group of dispossessed rich Cubans who want to return the island to its mob-infested, neo-colonial days. In those 50 years, the only thing not talking has accomplished has been the impoverishment of two generations of Cubans. Meanwhile, of course, the US has talked, conceded, caved in, given in, pandered and invested in China, another Communist country that, unlike Cuba, actually has fought against the US (in Korea, by proxy in Vietnam, and against an ally, Taiwan). There is clearly no logical reason for not talking with Cuba, and if we were talking with Cuba, life there would be better, and no doubt, things would be better here, too.
Iran is another example. It is known that when the US invaded Iraq, in 2003, Iran tried desperately to initiate talks with the US. The Bush/Cheney administration didn’t want to talk. It was calling Iran an “Axis of Evil” nation. Had talks begun, there might not even be a nuclear dispute today. Indeed, there might not even have been a rivalry. Instead, we now have the Bush/Cheney administration pushing forward for plans to attack Iran.
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=]We could go back to Iraq, too, of course. Before the US launched its attack, Saddam Hussein was telling the Bush/Cheney administration he was willing to leave the country. All he wanted was a safe haven like Idi Amin got, and a billion dollars. We were not told about this offer until years later. Yet think how much cheaper that solution, arrived at through a little talking, would have been than what we got through not talking. Instead of letting Hussein run off with a billion of his own ill-gotten wealth, we’ve spent close to a trillion dollars, killed upwards of a million innocent Iraqis, destroyed a country, driven four million people in a nation of 24 million into exile, ruined America’s global reputation, and bankrupted the US treasury, not to mention running up the price of oil four-fold.
Talk is cheap, I’d say.
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LOL, a GOP supporter calling out Obama as a racist. That's classic.
A GOP supporter accusing a dem of having hateful suppoters - the height of hypocrisy. The GOP is CHOCK FULL of racist religious bigots. They owe the past couple of elections soley to their activism (and hatred). These same racist religious bigots (that are the backbone of the GOP) also happen to think Islam is an evil religion and Muhammad a terrorist. Ouch. You must have to swallow hard when you wave their flag.
A GOP supporter calling Obama divisive - now that's the kicker. This administration has been, by leaps and bounds, the most divisive in my lifetime, probably ever.
Kaleem, you are grasping at straws and not doing a very good job at it. Your whole argument is based on a few of his pastor's comments. Yet you are head over heals for the GOP. Curious... do you have to take a bath after sleeping with these people?
Let me tackle the bath comment first: I take a showe every day.
Spindoctoring is your nature. Have you heard of the saying "A man is known by the company he keeps"?
Plus, explain his "bitter american" comment.
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After almost 8 years of Bush polices a great deal of Americans are bitter, nothing wrong with stating such.