o Bhai logo. what is the big deal, majority elected a govt which changed the name. thats democracy, change name, make policies,..thats what govt is for, and elected representatives should be doing what the majority of theri constituents want on federl, provincial, district, city, mohalla level. Its really not as big of a deal as some are making it. thand pao. let it go. There are bigger things to deal with.
Agreed, but they'll keep arguing.
Re: NWFP to be renamed Pakhtoonkhwa: Zardari
^ You are the one who seems to have blown a fuse after hearing about NWFP's name change.
^ You are the one who seems to have blown a fuse after hearing about NWFP's name change.
Not much good at reading I see.
Who cares? Their province, their name.
What about all the ethnicities other than Sindhis in Sindh or other than Balochs in Balochistan?
And who brought this up?
And who brought this up?
Reading comprehension is also poor I see. Why do you think i bought that up?
Re: NWFP to be renamed Pakhtoonkhwa: Zardari
You brought that up to incite an argument, to promote provincial disharmony, along the lines of your racist mqm agenda.
The point is, Pakhtuns and the people of NWFP can rename it all they want, its not like they are changing lalokhet's name so sit back and watch this, khamooshi sey.
Re: NWFP to be renamed Pakhtoonkhwa: Zardari
I was rhetorically answering Saad's question obviously. Don't act silly.
I was rhetorically answering Saad's question obviously. Don't act silly.
Stop trying to be snide, your double talk and apparent hatred for Pakhtuns is more than evident here.
You brought that up to incite an argument, to promote provincial disharmony, along the lines of your racist mqm agenda.
The point is, Pakhtuns and the people of NWFP can rename it all they want, its not like they are changing lalokhet's name so sit back and watch this, khamooshi sey.
Exactly. I was happy to engage thejoke and address the effect of the name change on minority groups in Pakhtunkhwa, however he is on here to create trouble and continue his thinly veiled racist messages against Pakhtuns.
I am pretty sure Punjabis, Sindhis, and Baluchis would be next on his hit list. This is a provincial issue that can be solved through the elected representatives.
Stop trying to be snide, your double talk and apparent hatred for Pakhtuns is more than evident here.
Has Great Zardari changed the name of the province yet?
Exactly. I was happy to engage thejoke and address the effect of the name change on minority groups in Pakhtunkhwa, however he is on here to create trouble and continue his thinly veiled racist messages against Pakhtuns.
I am pretty sure Punjabis, Sindhis, and Baluchis would be next on his hit list. This is a provincial issue that can be solved through the elected representatives.
Its going on, simaltaneously. His hatred against Punjabiz is pretty evident. He also posted his racist garbage after the death of Benazir, when him along with his leadership of the MQM and the idiotic PML[Q] tried to instigate propganda against Sindhis for destruction of property. He has also begun to term Baluchis as miscreants and terrorists now that they are opposing Musharraf.
Its going on, simaltaneously. His hatred against Punjabiz is pretty evident. He also posted his racist garbage after the death of Benazir, when him along with his leadership of the MQM and the idiotic PML[Q] tried to instigate propganda against Sindhis for destruction of property. He has also begun to term Baluchis as miscreants and terrorists now that they are opposing Musharraf.
When is the surrender ceremony with BLA going to happen?
Has Great Zardari changed the name of the province yet?
What do you care? This thread is about the necessity of the name change.
What do you care? This thread is about the necessity of the name change.
But ANP-Zardari tag team already made the decision?
Re: NWFP to be renamed Pakhtoonkhwa: Zardari
pak-one, hes just bitter he didnt get to change karachi's name to jinnahpur
pak-one, hes just bitter he didnt get to change karachi's name to jinnahpur
Well that is his problem. Honestly, if they wanted to change the name democratically, I wouldn't have a problem with it.
His messages are filled such hate and geared towards conflict in Pakistan. Sure Pakistan is dealing with many challenges both external and internal, but we don't need traitors in amongst us. EXPOSE their lies and agendas.
Re: NWFP to be renamed Pakhtoonkhwa: Zardari
A case for Hazara province
I READ with great interest the article by Dr Tariq Rehman, ‘Why not Pakhtunkhwa’ (June 10). I totally support his proposal for carving out Hindko-speaking and Khowar-speaking provinces out of the NWFP while renaming the rest of the NWFP to Pakhtunkhwa.
The people of Hazara played a decisive role in making the North-West Frontier Province part of Pakistan in a historic referendum in 1947 but after independence they continued to be punished for voting overwhelming for Pakistan.
The inhabitants of Hazara always offered sacrifices for the national causes. They offered precious lands thrice only because it was in the interest of the country. Today, the bulwark of power generation and irrigation system in Pakistan — Tarbela Dam (completed in 1974) — is located in Haripur district of the Hazara region.
A huge area of Hazara, comprising 123 lush green villages, went under water when the world’s biggest rock-filled dam was constructed on the land of the Hindko-speaking people. Similar sacrifices were offered when Khanpur Dam was built and Ghazi-Barotha Hydroelectric Project launched. No voice was raised from the so-called Charsadaa-based Pukhtun nationalists when the lands in Hazara were being sunk for creating electricity sources for the entire country — a classic case of double-standard indeed by the Pukhtun nationalists who raised a hell when the Kalabagh Dam project was unveiled in the mid-80s.
Despite all these sacrifices, the people of the Hazara region, constituting 30 per cent population of the province, were denied their right to social and economic development by every provincial government. The Pakhtun nationalists did that by design to teach a lesson to Hazarawals for their continued support to the federation and Pakistan Muslim League.
Strangely enough, the same Pakhtun chauvinists always based their politics on the Tarbela Dam, proudly claiming at all the forums that electricity was being produced by their province, but ignoring the fact that the Tarbela Dam was built on the land of Hindko - speaking Hazarawals, not Pakhtuns and that the power royalty was the sole right of the people of Hazara, not the entire province.
Now that when the ANP is adamant on giving a racial name of Pukhtunkhwa to the NWFP, in total disregard for wishes of the people of Hazara and other non-Pakhtun population of the province, there is no harm in demanding a separate status for our entire Hazara region — Haripur, Abbottabad, Mansehra, Battagram and Kohistan.
Three mega hydel power projects are located in Hazara. The most beautiful tourist resorts of the country, Kaghan, Naran, Jheel Saiful Malook, Galyaat and Thandyani, to name a few, are there. These two important sources of income alone are sufficient to economically sustain the Hazara province.
Let there be another amendment to the Constitution to create a Hazara province. The 30 per cent population of the province living in Hazara has every right to protect and retain their own cultural identity in the form of a separate Hazara province.
BILAL TANOLI
NWFP
Thats a very good article Mostar and I sympathise with the Hazara people. IF the name of the province can change then surely Hazara and Chitral should be allowed to choose whatever path they want.
I totally agree with the way he describes Pakhtun nationalists as chauvinistic. The ANP would lose a lot of clout if they lost Hazara as then the Terbela Dam electricity supplying issue would no longer be a card they hold.
the word Pakistan is abbrevation of
P: punjab
A: afghania
K: kashmir
S: sindh
Tan: balochistan
N.W.F.P is always refered as afghania not pakhtunkwa in history, Afghans in settled ares of N.W.F.P have actually came from present day afghanistan because they were pushed here by stronger tribes there. The original people of N.W.F.P were hinkis who r related to punjabis. Because afghans were fierce warriors therefore they easily defeated these people and colonized this area. many hinkis were pushed beyond indus river, others remain here, some completely assimilating into pashtuns while other retain their identitiy successfully like in kohat ,peshawar or other areas. thats why people of N.W.F.P are darker as compared to afghani pashtuns bcos they are not pure as it is assumed.
unlike eastren d.i.khan hazara is closely related to pashtuns but it is strange that unlike seraikis they r very anti-pakhtuns. even hinko speaking pathan tribes of swatis, tanolis,jadoons, tarins etc r against renaming of province.
Is there any evidence of it being named Afghania? hazara has a strong mix of different tribes - awans, syeds, abbasis, sardars, gujars to oname but a few. They speak hindko - what do you expect? whjy would they want a pkahtun identity on a non-pakhtun area?
The Seraiki area is not strongly nationalistic and nor do most see it as aproblem that is a part of punjab. Reason beig is that its a very feudal area and nationalists would be seen as a threat t the present feual system. Seraiki nationalists as a whole claim up to D I Khan city.
the word Pakistan is abbrevation of P: punjab A: afghania K: kashmir S: sindh Tan: balochistan
N.W.F.P is always refered as afghania not pakhtunkwa in history, Afghans in settled ares of N.W.F.P have actually came from present day afghanistan because they were pushed here by stronger tribes there. The original people of N.W.F.P were hinkis who r related to punjabis. Because afghans were fierce warriors therefore they easily defeated these people and colonized this area. many hinkis were pushed beyond indus river, others remain here, some completely assimilating into pashtuns while other retain their identitiy successfully like in kohat ,peshawar or other areas. thats why people of N.W.F.P are darker as compared to afghani pashtuns bcos they are not pure as it is assumed. unlike eastren d.i.khan hazara is closely related to pashtuns but it is strange that unlike seraikis they r very anti-pakhtuns. even hinko speaking pathan tribes of swatis, tanolis,jadoons, tarins etc r against renaming of province.