NWFP really the mad house? [merged]'UK is terrorist breeding ground'

Is it surprising that most of the Al-Qeada were rounded up from Lahore, Islamabad and Karachi? NWFP and its people is always target and blamed yet no big Al-Qeada personality has been captured there, no known jihadies or terrorists have been arrested there. Even the leaders of the Taliban that were extradited to Gitmo were captured in Islamabad. No terrorist camps have been proven that exists there even after the whole Waziristan war. The only man Pakistan was able to link there was an Uzbek jihadi which was never found and in return Pakistan killed a tribal leader (Nek Mohammad) who stood up for his cultural and traditional values. He was killed because he humiliated Pakistani army.

One of the suicide bombers in the recent London bombings was trained in a Lahori Maddrassa. NWFP is only a scapegoat to cover up the filth else where in Pakistan. I have no doubt that Osama bin laden will be found in Islamabad.

Go ahead mod, delete this thread as well.

Pakistan ‘not to blame for bombs’

The UK should try not to blame foreign countries for influencing the London suicide bombers, a leading Pakistani diplomat has said.
Munir Akram, Islamabad’s ambassador to the United Nations, spoke after reports linking his country to the killers.

Three are said to be of Pakistani decent and one is reported to have visited a religious school in Pakistan.

Mr Akram told the BBC that Britain had to look at its own problems to understand the root causes of terror.

He told The World This Weekend that a particular concern was integrating Muslims into mainstream UK life.

“You have to look at British society - what you are doing to the Muslim community and why the Muslim community is not integrating into British society,… and not try to externalise the problems Britain faces with regard to race and religious relations.”

‘Home-grown bombers’

Mr Akram told BBC diplomatic correspondent Bridget Kendall he did not deny Pakistan had its own problems with militants which it was trying to tackle.

“We have suffered from terrorism more than anybody else. Pakistan is doing all it can.”

But he believes Britain is now a “breeding ground for terrorists too”, has its own radical preachers and now “home-grown suicide bombers”.

Mr Akram rejected reports that Shehzad Tanweer had been turned into a terrorist during a visit earlier this year to an Islamic religious school - or madrassa - in Lahore.

He said if the 22-year-old from Leeds - who killed seven people on a Circle Line train between Aldgate and Liverpool Street - or any of his accomplices had visited, they had not been there long enough to be turned.

“Brainwashing is a long process. You cannot brainwash somebody instantly unless he is inclined to be brainwashed.”

Rather, it was the years spent in Britain that transformed them into the UK’s first suicide bombers, he said.

"They were born in Britain, bred there, lived there, worked there, were - by all accounts - British lads.

"What motivated British lads to do this? It is not because their blood was from Pakistan.

“Whatever angst they had was a result of living in Britain.”

Judging the bombers on their “racial origins” was a “recipe for promoting racism and hatred”, Mr Akram told BBC News.

"It is important not to pin blame on somebody else when the problem lies internally.

“Your policies in the Middle East, your policies in the Islamic world, that is the problem with your society… and that is where the problem lies as far as this incident is concerned.”

“It would be a grave mistake to point fingers at Pakistan or anybody else outside your country.”

The International Development Secretary, Hilary Benn, told BBC News: "It is not about ethnicity, it is about ideology.

"This is an international problem, and there is a responsibility on all of us - wherever it is that we happen to live - to take on the ideology.

Militant organisation

"Some people… seem to believe that because they have feelings about the state of the world it is all right to strap bombs to your back and travel to London and blow up innocent commuters on their way to work.

“It is not acceptable, we have to be very clear about it and we have to take this on politically in arguing the case for the values we uphold around the world.”

Pakistan authorities say they are placing madrassas under closer scrutiny after the London attacks to ensure they do not preach jihad or indoctrinate young minds.

The madrassa linked to Shehzad Tanweer, allegedly run by a banned militant organisation, has denied he ever visited.

Re: NWFP really the mad house?

Not bad! And the Jamaican was sky surfing over Karachi beaches while studying the guide lines on how to bomb a double decker bus??!

Pakistan says UK is terrorist breeding ground

Pakistan 'not to blame for bombs'

Mr Akram, right, meets UN General Secretary Kofi Annan

The UK should try not to blame foreign countries for influencing the London suicide bombers, a leading Pakistani diplomat has said.
Munir Akram, Islamabad's ambassador to the United Nations, spoke after reports linking his country to the killers.

Three are said to be of Pakistani decent and one is reported to have visited a religious school in Pakistan.

Mr Akram told the BBC that Britain had to look at its own problems to understand the root causes of terror.

He told The World This Weekend that a particular concern was integrating Muslims into mainstream UK life.

"You have to look at British society - what you are doing to the Muslim community and why the Muslim community is not integrating into British society,... and not try to externalise the problems Britain faces with regard to race and religious relations."

'Home-grown bombers'

Mr Akram told BBC diplomatic correspondent Bridget Kendall he did not deny Pakistan had its own problems with militants which it was trying to tackle.

"We have suffered from terrorism more than anybody else. Pakistan is doing all it can."

But he believes Britain is now a "breeding ground for terrorists too", has its own radical preachers and now "home-grown suicide bombers".

Mr Akram rejected reports that Shehzad Tanweer had been turned into a terrorist during a visit earlier this year to an Islamic religious school - or madrassa - in Lahore.

Your policies in the Middle East, your policies in the Islamic world, that is the problem with your society... and that is where the problem lies as far as this incident is concerned

Munir Akram, Pakistan's ambassador to the United Nations

He said if the 22-year-old from Leeds - who killed seven people on a Circle Line train between Aldgate and Liverpool Street - or any of his accomplices had visited, they had not been there long enough to be turned.

"Brainwashing is a long process. You cannot brainwash somebody instantly unless he is inclined to be brainwashed."

Rather, it was the years spent in Britain that transformed them into the UK's first suicide bombers, he said.

"They were born in Britain, bred there, lived there, worked there, were - by all accounts - British lads.

"What motivated British lads to do this? It is not because their blood was from Pakistan.

"Whatever angst they had was a result of living in Britain."

we have to take this on politically in arguing the case for the values we uphold around the world

International Development Secretary, Hilary Benn

Judging the bombers on their "racial origins" was a "recipe for promoting racism and hatred", Mr Akram told BBC News.

"It is important not to pin blame on somebody else when the problem lies internally.

"Your policies in the Middle East, your policies in the Islamic world, that is the problem with your society... and that is where the problem lies as far as this incident is concerned."

"It would be a grave mistake to point fingers at Pakistan or anybody else outside your country."

The International Development Secretary, Hilary Benn, told BBC News: "It is not about ethnicity, it is about ideology.

"This is an international problem, and there is a responsibility on all of us - wherever it is that we happen to live - to take on the ideology.

Militant organisation

"Some people... seem to believe that because they have feelings about the state of the world it is all right to strap bombs to your back and travel to London and blow up innocent commuters on their way to work.

"It is not acceptable, we have to be very clear about it and we have to take this on politically in arguing the case for the values we uphold around the world."

Pakistan authorities say they are placing madrassas under closer scrutiny after the London attacks to ensure they do not preach jihad or indoctrinate young minds.

The madrassa linked to Shehzad Tanweer, allegedly run by a banned militant organisation, has denied he ever visited.

Re: Pakistan says UK is terrorist breeding ground

It is highly encouraging to see Pakistan taking a robust line this time round in dealing with this issue, as we have stand up for our own country, and give hope to our people abroad, who maybe going through diffiicult times at present.

Munir Akram is spot on when he says that Great Britain is a terrorist breeding ground, because after all they have 8000 troops occupying Iraq, who have killed hundreds, if not thousands of Shia Muslims in places like Basra and other southern cities, at the behest of their American masters.

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Actually what the Ambassador meant was that a majority of the terrorists that have been caught from the UK have been caught within the UK. Have been born and lived there. It is about time they dealt with their own citizens and not the ethnicity of those citizens.

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The UK is actually exporting problems to Pakistan. I can think of one group in particular that is banned in Pakistan, which began with British citizens coming to Pakistan and preaching its ideology there...

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Which terrorist group is that then

Re: Pakistan says UK is terrorist breeding ground

HT maybe?

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I don't see much difference between a Jamaican and a Pakistani. He was homeless, I sure the jumaat paid him well and kept him alive til the day when he will reward the Ummah.

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UK should invade Pakistan just like the US invaded Afghanistan when they found out that 19 of the hijackers on 9/11 were trained in Afghanistan.

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I know you can shed some more light into it as you live there, Im curious as to why the Hizb-ul-Tahrir has not been declared a terrorist organization in the UK, where infact it has its biggest following.

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I specifically said banned group rather than terrorist.

While I have my own reasons for opposing the HT, what I equally strongly believe is that it is not a terrorist organisation because its actions over the past 25 years have never had any violent element to them.

There is nothing to connect the HT to any kind of violent political activity.

Indeed, this is why as much as the USA is desperately looking for acts of violent to pin on the HT, the HT is not classified by the US or British governments as a terrorist group.

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Logo, you've expressed it well. This Munir Akram is a crook. All knows who harbored terrorist groups, provided them with training, funding, logistic, and organizational skills.

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Ok i thought you was talking about CIA or MI5 :bukbuk: becase they both got plenty of offices in pakistan!

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Pretty sure he will be reward…

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Idiot!

Re: NWFP really the mad house? [merged]‘UK is terrorist breeding ground’

Logo and LastOfTheDinos are attemtping a ‘standup comedy’ here? :hehe:

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Laugh all you want.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/15/AR2005071501617.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/07/18/nbomb218.xml&sSheet=/news/2005/07/18/ixnewstop.html

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Why dont you tell your CIA in stop aiding n coordinating them?

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LOL. Despiste Logo bhais attempts to play devils advocate for the British, most people would agree that the British have a problem at home with alienation fo ethnic muslim communities that struggle in nearly every social indicator.
The race riots a few years ago were a sign of things to come. Terrorism is not a phenomenon related to religion at all, but a political\economic issue. It must be adressed as a function of education and poverty to be alleviated.