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LOL all you want:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050719/ap_on_re_as/pakistan_islamic_schools
Getting rid of mad houses means Afghanistan would stand on it’s own two feet again as a sovereign nation. Not getting rid of the mad houses means Western boot up Pakistani behind. Both ways, future no looky good for Pakistan. What to do?
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Afghanistan getting back on its feet doesn’t have anything to do with Madrassas or Islam. Despite your attempts to constantly displace blame for its complete societal failure, ethnic warfare in Afghanistan is not necessarily something you can blame on islam and has mostly cultural influences.
By the way, the western generalization of Madrassas is incorrect. Many Madrassas actually teach Islam and don’t necessarily deal with politics and defiantly not terrorism. How many of your fellow Afghanis do you think are cheering for the Westerners to dismantle Madrassas and stop all Islamic education?
I doubt you are in the majority.
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Afghans are too proud to look at how messed they are that they let a country like Pakistan take advantge of them
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Afghans leaders a.k.a warloards were too busy for the power struggle to understand where they were taking their country.
Wherever Talibans took the country where they took it, Pakistan never intended it that way. Pakistan would have been the biggest winner if peace had come to Afghanistan. And at that time it appeared that Talibans were the best group capable of bringing peace to Afghanistan. There is nothing in Afghanistan for the Pakistanis to take advantage of, apart from peace.
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Really, we sheltered them fed them and they paid us back with prostitution and drugs. WOW, they should be really proud of their traditions, destroying their host and not showing an ounce of gratitude. Maybe Pak should have stayed out of the mess in the war against Russia and closed their borders and then we will see how these proud people would have survived.
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^ it is incredible the gall these afghani posters have. Im guessing its because they grow up with the idea of being proud afghans and whatnot but cannot reconcile that to the fact that millions of their people depend for sustenance on a country like pakistan. and so the perpetual bitching about largely imagined or miniscule grievances, miniscule in comparison to the incredible amount of support the pakistani people have provided them with.
THEY are the purveyors of drugs and guns in a large part of pakistan, they are responsible for a lot of the criminal element in the country, they have worked themselves to be a stereotype associated with thugs in urban areas, they work against the country that harbours them and their families, and then they bitch about pakistani interference in afghanistan.
**** off. afghanistan has no taleban now right, no russia now right, why cant you peddle your drugs in kabul?
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Nice language moderator, I believe you represent Pak.org very well. I also believe this is the mentality shared by the owners of Pak.org. But I am confused, who is Afghani here? Poor Afghanis they are not even on this site yet you guys are venting your angry on them.
Everyone should watch the British documentary "TRAFFIK" to find out exactly who handles the drug, gun and other illicit businesses of Pakistan, who benefits from it, who takes it out of Pakistan, using which country ports, which country creates and promotes terrorist ideology which is supported by the money that all those illicit businesses generate. It is called “TRAFFIK” not “TRAFFIC”. “TRAFFIC” is the American version about their problems due to same reasons.
But I do agree, all Afghanis, their drugs, their prostitutes should go back where they came from. In the same token all the sons of shudras, unchoot, hera mandi, so-called the “moderate Muslims” of Pakistan who have a problem with Shariah and Islamic law should pack their bags and move to the country of their forefathers across the border. Pakistan is an Islamic country, and those who have a problem with that should be deported with Musharaf, Meera, Heera, Reema and co. to HINDUSTAN.
We the Muslims of Pakistan want the Munafiqeen of Pakistan, the sons of Kali ma and Hanuman to **** off our Muslim country.
Naraaay Takbiiirrr Allah Akbaaaar :- )
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The Afghan opium enriches more Pakistanis than Afghans because the money makers in drug trade are always at the later part of the supply chain. The real Afghan heroin millionaires are in Pakistan, especially the many Generals and ISI officers who made a killing in the 1980s when they did the CIA’s dirty work by funneling drug money into the jihad. After they took their cut of course. 
The King of all this was General Akhtar Abdul Rehman who went from nothing to being able to provide for 10 generations, all thanks to the white powder.
http://www.cceia.org/viewMedia.php/prmTemplateID/8/prmID/4399
If you go to the major cities on the border with Pakistan, the places where 70-80 percent of the heroin during the 1980s was transported via Pakistan to Western countries, you will find hundreds, maybe thousands, of very expensive marble villas. Each villa costs about $5-6 million.
On the nameplates on the doors, you will not find the name, “Sheikh So and So from Dubai”; you will find, “Retired Judge, High Court,” “Retired Major General, Pakistani Defense Forces,” “Retired Member of Parliament,” “Retired Minister of Traffic.” Very honorable jobs, very honorable persons in the past, but their pension is between $500 and $700 per month. How can they afford a villa for $5 million?
And Logo is right. Traffik is a superb miniseries, better than Traffic even if the latter had Catherine Zeta-Jones
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^India did not benefit one ioata from the drug traffic...right?
take a look at this, this a-hole may have spent a lot of time ******* pashtun **** and ***** but has no clue about pakistanis or punjabi's in particular
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If you have a Punjabi, for instance, from the eastern part of Pakistan, and a Pashtun on the other side, they look the same to you. After two minutes, every one of you will know who is the Pashtun and who is the Punjabi, because if you speak to a Punjabi a bit loudly, he will say, “Yes, sir,” because he was trained that way by 200 years under the British. A Pashtun will never say, “Yes, sir” to you.
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That is right, Punjabi will say yes sir. Which century does he live in. It easy to blame Pakistan for the ills, the fact remains we sheltered afghanis in the excess of 4 million. What they gave us was drugs and prostitution. Logo that is something a pashtun should be produ of ...right.
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The most amazing thing about Afghan pashtuns is that Pakistan has been the only country to ever support them. When Iran, India and Russia have always supported the Uzbeks, Hazara, Farsiwan,,,,,,, people of Aghanistan. With or without the Taliban included from A to Z, Pakistan has always supported Pashtun Afghanis for some strange and stupid reason.
Some of you should go look around and check the Internet discussion forums to see some of the racist venom these Afghanis have to say about desis (and Pakistanis in particular). Go see the love they have for the "ummah" and see how they pay you back for feeding and clothing 1/4 of there population for the past 20 yrs. Frankly I was shocked at the hatred and racism that seems so endemic in their thought process. Let me tell you something, you won't get any of the civility, calm language and racial tolerance you will find on any major Pakistani board.
Moral of the story, we should leave them to there own devices and let them fight it out with the Farsi speaking as they have for hundreds of years. Let them be the savages they are, they can keep living in the stone ages for the next 100 yrs.
This is typical Pakistani misadventures of poking your nose where it doesn’t belong. Look at what these people have to say about you and some idiot in the Pakistani army has the stupidity to go waste our resources and time helping them.
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There have been a fair number of afghanis on this forum, in addition to people who post on afghani bulletin boards, and finally people who generally represent that POV, namely you.
secondly, while a great number of pakistanis may be involved in this, the fact that economic immigrants who are sheltered by Pakistan, instead of living legally in the country harbouring them, resort to becoming a critical part of the criminal network in the country, which they then blackmouth, is what i resent.
thirdly, to compare afghan immigrants, who in no way have ever been part of subcontinent’s shared history, nor were part of the freedom struggle of the Muslims of British India, with the Pakistanis you term “moderate Muslims” is ridiculous. a fraction of the “moderate Muslims” actually are immigrants from India, and they have ideological motivation and basis for remaining in Pakistan, not just the economic leaches West of our borders.
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"secondly, while a great number of pakistanis may be involved in this, the fact that economic immigrants who are sheltered by Pakistan, instead of living legally in the country harbouring them, resort to becoming a critical part of the criminal network in the country, which they then blackmouth, is what i resent."
ironic isn't it...Pakistanis who come to the UK or US bad mouth the host countries, some even blow the subways up...yeah this is what I resent too..good for pointing it out Ravage. I willbe sure to eb on a lookout for it
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Only a fraction of the Afghan opium produced now goes to the outside world through Pakistan. Major portion of the Afghan produced opium goes to the West through the Balkan from the Northern Afghanistan.
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you will find very little in the way of defence from me for blowing subways up, or those who violate the law of the land of the country that they’re guests in, and then malign. sure be on the lookout though.
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thirdly, to compare afghan immigrants, who in no way have ever been part of subcontinent's shared history, nor were part of the freedom struggle of the Muslims of British India, with the Pakistanis you term "moderate Muslims" is ridiculous. a fraction of the "moderate Muslims" actually are immigrants from India, and they have ideological motivation and basis for remaining in Pakistan, not just the economic leaches West of our borders.
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AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA LOL AHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA :D
Is this why Pakistan named their defense missile after Afghan leaders Ghori Suri and Abdali?
Ghaznavi, Ghori, Suri, Lodhi, Abdali, Hotaki. Read real history not what is thought in the schools of Pakistan.
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so because pakistani missiles are named after Muslim invaders, you feel that has some relevance to this argument? why exactly?
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Invaders??? man oh man ahahhaahahahahah GOD I should take snap shots of these comments.........the truth the truth is being revealed the genetic hate is coming out!!! hahahahahahaah LOL oh maaaan haahah this is so sweeeeet.
The Pathans should see this I mean if Pakistan can label a man like Qadir Khan a treasonous and make him apologize to the world then who the hell are Pashtun/Pathan/Afghan Islamic figures? They were all invaders, plunderers, of course, maybe homos, child molesters, WOMEN SELLERS :D
Just like Taliban, they were MUSLIMEEN, but today they are terrorists. Just like the Pashtuns of Kashmiri, yesterday they were KASHMIRI FREEDOM FIGTHERS today they are terrorists. :D
More meray bhai more……finally some people with gutts. I finally sense that your Musharaff have gave you some balls.
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i'd gladly give you more, if you actually had a point to make. and you extrapolate beyond my calling the people our missiles are named after as invaders, i didnt make any point about Pakistani pathans being homos child molesters and women sellers.
Before you assume anything about my background, I've lived four years in Swabi, and have a whole bunch of pathan friends, and all of the pathans I've met are much better pakistanis than you, and you by that token represent a marginalized, disenfranchised, limited view.
are you actually interested in returning to the argument, or do you wish to continue diverting the argument with childish retorts?
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I don't want to return to an argument, I rather debate.
Those "Pathans" of Swabi would have liked to know that you think of their forefathers as Muslim invaders. Especially them since they are direct decedents of many of those invaders, who I call the blue blooded Afghan. If you ask them who are you, they reply “mung AFGHANAN yu” (we are Afghans) instead of “mung Pakhtooneh you” (we are Pakhtoons). They would have loved to know what you thought about their forefathers. You already think that they are drug dealers and are involved in prostitution. Yes yes I know you never exactly said Pathans you said "Afghanis". The term "Afghani" is like killing a snake with a stick but not bringing the stick. You can insult a Pashtun, Pathan by cursing an “AFGHANI” at the same time not really insult him.
The Pathans of Pakistan, majority of them, are too busy growing beards and preparing for Jihad. Poor *******s don’t even know what has come, gone, and what is coming.
There are many types of Pathans/Pashtun but most can be narrowed down to 3. There is the enlighten Pashtun, he/she could be educated or illiterate but he/she is enlightened. They have self respect, and know exactly what they are about. Then there is the book read Pashtun, even though he/she has a degree he/she is still illiterate, still a jahil. He/she only went to school not to be educated but because his/her parents made him/her so. Then there is the Pathan who shared blood, a grandmother or a grandfather with the Pashtuns.
Category 1 is rare to find, category 2 is all over Pakistan, a lot of them on YAHOO CHAT fighting Hindus day and night defending Pakistan. Category 3 is overwhelmingly out there. A lot of them in Canada, UK. Some of them might have been the London bombers.
Shall we debate about the “AFGHAN” invaders? Only if you promise not to bring prostitutes etc. etc.
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no, lets not debate about the Afghan invaders. see I dont place much stock in the specific racial compositions of the people in pakistan, I see Pakistanis as those who would be eligible to carry a Pakistani passports. Which is why I do not consider any migrant from UP who wishes to cross over the border to Pakistan now a Pakistani any more than I would consider an Afghani who crosses over the border in 1980 or thereafter a Pakistani. Furthermore, the reason I term them Afghani is not because I wish to distinguish them from the local pathans who may or may not be of Afghan descent or may share a lot of history with Afghanistan, BUT because they are Afghani nationals, who have Afghani ID cards and would be regarded as non-Pakistani in every part of the world, by every government on the Planet. I only call them Afghan because the country is called Afghanistan, I would call them Saleemistani if the country was called Saleemistan. And when I talk about the crimes of Afghanis, I do not include any Pakistanis in the criticism, regardless of what province of Pakistan they hail from.