Now we know why Cameron Munter left.

At least somebody has some human decency and conscience.

‘Munter found drone strikes unacceptable’ | DAWN.COM](http://dawn.com/2012/05/30/munter-found-drone-strikes-unacceptable/)

**‘Munter found drone strikes unacceptable’
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WASHINGTON/NEW YORK: The outgoing US Ambassador to Pakistan, Cameron P. Munter, found the drone strike-driven American policy unacceptable and complained to his colleagues that “he didn’t realise his main job was to kill people”, a colleague told The New York Times.
An extensive report in Tuesday’s newspaper says that President Barack Obama has taken personal responsibility for drone attacks. He approves every name on the target list, reviewing their biographies and the evidence against them, and then authorises “lethal action without hand-wringing”.
The report says that Mr Obama’s focus on drone strikes has made it impossible to forge the new relationship with the Muslim world that he promised in his June 2009 speech in Cairo.
“Both Pakistan and Yemen are arguably less stable and more hostile to the United States than when Mr Obama became president,” the report notes.
In Pakistan, according to the report, Mr Obama had approved not only “personality” strikes aimed at named, high-value terrorists, but “signature” strikes that targeted training camps and suspicious compounds in areas controlled by militants.
Some State Department officials, however, have complained to the White House that the criteria used by the CIA for identifying a terrorist “signature” were too lax.
“Signature strikes in Pakistan were killing a large number of terrorist suspects, even when CIA analysts were not certain beforehand of their presence.”Dennis C. Blair, director of national intelligence until he was fired in May 2010, told the newspaper that discussions inside the White House of long-term strategy against Al Qaeda were sidelined by the intense focus on strikes. “The steady refrain in the White House was, ‘This is the only game in town’ — reminded me of body counts in Vietnam,” said Mr Blair, a retired admiral who began his Navy service during the Vietnam War.
“Mr Blair’s criticism, dismissed by White House officials as personal pique, nonetheless resonates inside the government,” the report adds.
The report points out that the counting method the Obama administration uses allows it to claim that civilian deaths in these strikes are very low.Under this approach people in an area of known terrorist activity, or found with a top Al Qaeda operative, are also considered enemy combatants.
This accounting method has so troubled some administration officials outside the CIA that they have brought their concerns to the White House. One called it “guilt by association” that has led to “deceptive” estimates of civilian casualties.
The report notes that the case of Baitullah Mehsud, the leader of the Pakistani Taliban, was problematic on two fronts. The CIA worried that Mr Mehsud, whose group mainly targeted the Pakistan government, did not meet the Obama administration’s criteria for targeted killing: he was not an imminent threat to the United States. But Pakistani officials wanted him dead, and the American drone programme rested on their tacit approval. The issue was resolved after the president and his advisers found that he represented a threat, if not to the homeland, to American personnel in Pakistan.
Then, in August 2009, the CIA director, Leon E. Panetta, told the White House that the agency had Mr Mehsud in its sights. But taking out the Pakistani Taliban leader, Mr Panetta warned, did not meet Mr Obama’s standard of “near certainty” of no innocents being killed. In fact, a strike would certainly result in such deaths: he was with his wife at his in-laws’ home.
President Obama told the CIA to take the shot, and Mr Mehsud was killed, along with his wife and, by some reports, other family members as well, the report adds.

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I can't find the NY Times report from Tuesday mentioned in the Dawn article.
If anybody else does, please post.

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Here’s a critical Guardian article from yesterday.

America’s murderous drone campaign is fuelling terror | Seumas Milne | Comment is free | The Guardian

America’s murderous drone campaign is fuelling terror

Obama’s escalation of a war that’s already caused thousands of deaths will only destabilise his own allies and bolster al-Qaida

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Illustration by Belle Mellor

More than a decade after George W Bush launched it, the “war on terror” was supposed to be winding down. US military occupation of Iraq has ended and Nato is looking for a way out of Afghanistan, even as the carnage continues. But another war – the undeclared drone war that has already killed thousands – is now being relentlessly escalated.
From Pakistan to Somalia, CIA-controlled pilotless aircraft rain down Hellfire missiles on an ever-expanding hit list of terrorist suspects – they have already killed hundreds, perhaps thousands, of civilians in the process.
At least 15 drone strikes have been launched in Yemen this month, as many as in the whole of the past decade, killing dozens; while in Pakistan, a string of US attacks has been launched against supposed “militant” targets in the past week, incinerating up to 35 people and hitting a mosque and a bakery.
The US’s decision to step up the drone war again in Pakistan, opposed by both government and parliament in Islamabad as illegal and a violation of sovereignty, reflects its fury at the jailing of a CIA agent involved in the Bin Laden hunt and Pakistan’s refusal to reopen supply routes for Nato forces in Afghanistan. Those routes were closed in protest at the US killing of 24 Pakistani soldiers last November, for which Washington still refuses to apologise.
Wajid Shamsul Hasan, Pakistan’s high commissioner in London, describes the latest US escalation as “punitive”. But then Predators and Reapers are Barack Obama’s weapons of choice and coercion, deployed only on the territory of troublesome US allies, such as Pakistan and Yemen – and the drone war is Obama’s war.
In his first two years in office, the US president more than tripled the number of attacks in Pakistan alone. For their US champions, drones have the advantage of involving no American casualties, while targeting the “bad guys” Bush lost sight of in his enthusiasm to subjugate Iraq. Enthusiasts boast of their surgical accuracy and exhaustive surveillance, operated by all-seeing technicians from thousands of miles away in Nevada.
But that’s a computer-game fantasy of clinical war. Since 2004, between 2,464 and 3,145 people are reported to have been killed by US drone attacks in Pakistan, of whom up to 828 were civilians (535 under Obama) and 175 children. Some Pakistani estimates put the civilian death toll much higher – plausibly, given the tendency to claim as “militants” victims later demonstrated to be nothing of the sort.
The US president insisted recently that the civilian death toll was not a “huge number”. Not on the scale of Iraq, perhaps, where hundreds of thousands were killed; or Afghanistan, where tens of thousands have died. But they gruesomely include dozens killed in follow-up attacks after they had gone to help victims of earlier strikes – as well as teenagers like Tariq Khan, a 16-year-old Pakistani boy decapitated in a strike last November after he had travelled to Islamabad to protest against drones.
These killings are, in reality, summary executions and widely regarded as potential war crimes by international lawyers – including the UN’s special rapporteur on extrajudicial killings, Philip Alston. The CIA’s now retired counsel, John Rizzo, who authorised drone attacks, himself talked about having been involved in “murder”.
A decade ago, the US criticised Israel for such “extrajudicial killings” but now claims self-defence in the war against al-Qaida. These are attacks, however, routinely carried out on the basis of false intelligence, in countries such as Pakistan where no war has been declared and without the consent of the elected government.
Lawyers representing victims’ families are now preparing legal action against the British government – which carries out its own drone attacks in Afghanistan – for taking part in war crimes by passing GCHQ intelligence to the CIA for its “targeted killings”. Parallel cases are also being brought against the Pakistani government and the drone manufacturer General Electric – whose slogan is “we bring good things to life”.
Of course, drone attacks are only one method by which the US and its allies deliver death and destruction in Afghanistan and the wider Middle East, from night raids and air attacks to killing sprees on the ground. The day after last Friday’s Houla massacre in Syria, eight members of one family were killed at home by a Nato air attack in eastern Afghanistan – one of many such atrocities barely registered in the western media.
But while support for the war in Afghanistan has fallen to an all-time low in all Nato states, the drone war is popular in the US. That’s hardly surprising, as it offers no danger to American forces – the ultimate asymmetric warfare – while supposedly “taking out” terrorists. But these hi-tech death squads are creating a dangerous global precedent, which will do nothing for US security.
A decade ago, critics warned that the “war on terror” would spread terrorism rather than stamp it out. That is exactly what happened. Obama has now renamed the campaign “overseas contingency operations” and is switching the emphasis from boots on the ground to robots.
But, as the destabilisation of Pakistan and growth of al-Qaida in Yemen shows, the impact remains the same. The drone war is a predatory war on the Muslim world, which is feeding hatred of the US – and fuelling terror, not fighting it.
Twitter: @SeumasMilne

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^ Long article check the 11th paragraph NYT: Secret ‘Kill List’ Tests Obama

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Thanks, Ali.

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I am copying the last paragraphs of the nyt article given above:

His focus on strikes has made it impossible to forge, for now, the new relationship with the Muslim world that he had envisioned. Both Pakistan and Yemen are arguably less stable and more hostile to the United States than when Mr. Obama became president.

Justly or not, drones have become a provocative symbol of American power, running roughshod over national sovereignty and killing innocents. With China and Russia watching, the United States has set an international precedent for sending drones over borders to kill enemies.

Mr. Blair, the former director of national intelligence, said the strike campaign was dangerously seductive. "It is the politically advantageous thing to do - low cost, no U.S. casualties, gives the appearance of toughness," he said.** "It plays well domestically, and it is unpopular only in other countries. Any damage it does to the national interest only shows up over the long term."**

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^ Interesting.

An ironically, from the Guardian article:

‘A decade ago, the US criticised Israel](Why Obama's 'targeted killing' is worse than Bush's torture | Mary Ellen O'Connell | The Guardian) for such “extrajudicial killings” but now claims self-defence in the war against al-Qaida.’

Now we know why Cameron Munter left.

Obama has failed to liveup to his so called change!he the sucessor of Bush...

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Aah Pasha kay baad Munter bhi
Another drone attack on Tsunami

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Mindset of ridiculous proportions.

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before demonising USA this way, think about this:

  • terrorists take refuge in Pakistan but cause terror globally
  • so we have to take them out in self defence
  • if local agencies cooperate, either by themselves or in collaboration with international forces, eliminate the terrorists, drones will be unnecessary
  • but since they don't what choice is left?

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very convenient indeed.

Count the number of terrorists killed in drone attacks and then count the number of innocent people including women and children killed in same drone attacks. Then, ask yourself will you kill all those children, women and non-concerning people this way? If you say no then, we are good.

But If you say yes then, what is the difference between you and 9-11 terrorists who killed non-concerning and innocent people while they were already killing those who they were fighting in Palistine. (Although there are people who argue that 9-11 was an inside job after all to reach to this part of the world).

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ofcourse killing innocents is bad. question here is, why is Pakistan making that unavoidable? as the country from where terrorism emanates, shouldn't Pakistan be eliminating terrorists and seeking help rather than resisting?

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So Afghanistan seeked US (and NATO's) help. They have boots & guns on the ground for 10 years. Has terrorism ended in Afghanistan?

If some people think that cleaning tribal/mountain area is easy for Pakistan, how hard it would be for forces of 40-50 countries to seal the border?

I was all for striking against high value targets but it has got ridiculous since last couple of years or so. Every person with the gun in that area is not terrorist.

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And ever since the latest deadlock on NATO supplies passage, these attacks have suddenly multiplied.
Are they meant to eliminate terrorists or to pressure and lash out at Pakistan, since these drones strikes are so unpopular in Pakistan ?

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drones strikes are nothing but cowardly attacks, because there is no immediate threat or risk to US!

drones are not eliminating terrorism but increasing!!anti-US sentiments are on rise than ever before!
its funny how these guys are fooling the world and trying to justify these unacceptable drone attacks when most of the time innocent civilians are getting killed and not the militants!

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Now it is Obama personally .
Obama personally oversees al-Qaeda ‘kill list’

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Alhamdumillah before this war alqaeda was holed in Afghanistan, now they are in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, Yemen, Somalia, Sudan, Mali, Libya and some other countries, victory?

They have destabilized Pakistan along with Afghanistan. When 911 occurred how many terrorists were in Pakistan? And yes Pakistan has not cooperated (in the war which was not theirs to begin with), I wonder who killed 5000 troops and 30000 civilians, Martians maybe?

In Afghanistan the NATO has failed to control the insurgency during the past 10 years (despite their military strength and spendings worth trillions of dollars), they have handed over whole of eastern Afghanistan to taleban where even those elements are present which Pakistan drove from swat, Mohmand and other tribal agencies. Americans dying to negotiate with taleban to end the war in Afghanistan, and for Pakistan it's do more. Ironic isn't it?

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the irony is this guy was awarded nobel peace prize!

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Another confession, another victory?

Al Qaeda still enjoys Afghan haven: Pentagon | DAWN.COM