I don’t really get this statement…
why you are not to talk about someone who has died?? do all their sins get washed away? and should everybody disregard all the evil/bad that was done by the dead person??
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I don't really get this statement.....
why you are not to talk about someone who has died?? do all their sins get washed away? and should everybody disregard all the evil/bad that was done by the dead person??
To err is human to forgive is divine.
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To me it's more of a waste of time discussing negative things about a dead person. It's not like they can come back and defend themselves or change.
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Do you also think its a waste to keep history in mind??
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You don't need to keep history in mind, bcoz it will remind you everything by repeating itself.
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You don't need to keep history in mind, bcoz it will remind you everything by repeating itself.
well...... so no need learn from history?? just sit and let it all happen?
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I see where you're going with this.
There is a difference between a discussion on a famous dead person rather than, say my dead great grandfather. If the person contributed a lot to society in a negative way, it is important to remember that in history. All the whys, hows, whos. And *try *not to repeat. But sadly, history always repeats itself.
But talking about someone not famous, who may have created major family politics, or was a disrespect to a community, there is just nothing that can come out of having a full blown discussion on their life. Just keeping in mind they were a bad person is more than enough.
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once the person passes away, all his deeds good or bad come to an end. There's no coming back. So the case is more like forwarded to Allah's court for now. So there isn't a point in us discussing negative things about him because it would only be backbiting at a bigger level in my opinion as the person is no longer even in this world.
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would you like your mistakes and sins to be remembered and discussed once you have passed?
what if Allah has forgiven you? should mere mortals continue to pass further judgement?
wouldn't you prefer to be remembered for the good things that you did?
nobody can truly know whether the sins committed by a person have been over-shadowed by his/her good deeds and/or sins committed against him/her........
this is not to suggest that we should not learn from the mistakes made by others.......but we need not bad-mouth to do this.
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I don't really get this statement.....
why you are not to talk about someone who has died?? do all their sins get washed away? and should everybody disregard all the evil/bad that was done by the dead person??
Not every thing can be explained with usual reasoning.
I think we associate alive person with a million thing, but dead with white chaders...quran....tasbeehs etc etc
Well the Islam I believe in ppl don't just get a clean sheet just because they died, People have to pay for crime against people.
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would you like your mistakes and sins to be remembered and discussed once you have passed? what if Allah has forgiven you? should mere mortals continue to pass further judgement? wouldn't you prefer to be remembered for the good things that you did? nobody can truly know whether the sins committed by a person have been over-shadowed by his/her good deeds and/or sins committed against him/her........
this is not to suggest that we should not learn from the mistakes made by others.......but we need not bad-mouth to do this.
I wouldn't mind being judged or whatnot after i am dead......doesn't really matter.
and talking about someone's bad/evil deeds is not equal 'judging' them for heaven or hell.... its about keeping the facts straight...
what do you have to say about Hitler or Changez Khan or Yazeed ?? Do you refrain from (and discourage others) to talk negatively about them??
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I wouldn't mind being judged or whatnot after i am dead......doesn't really matter.
and talking about someone's bad/evil deeds is not equal 'judging' them for heaven or hell.... its about keeping the facts straight...
what do you have to say about Hitler or Changez Khan or Yazeed ?? Do you refrain from (and discourage others) to talk negatively about them??
Allah through our beloved prophet (pbuh) has provided us with guidance on how to do things in a way that protects the weakest amongst us. (That is to say, perhaps it does not matter to you if someone speaks ill of your actions but it may be a concern to someone else that they be thought of in the nicest possible ways after they are gone.)
If the discussion is in the context of keeping the facts straight and if a valuable lesson can be learned from those facts then of course one cannot tell a lie. But needless repetition is discouraged.
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^what about the question i asked?? about hitler, yazeed and changaiz khan?? what are your views on repeated bad-mouthing about them??
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*I wouldn't mind being judged or whatnot after i am dead......doesn't really matter. * and talking about someone's bad/evil deeds is not equal 'judging' them for heaven or hell.... its about keeping the facts straight...
what do you have to say about Hitler or Changez Khan or Yazeed ?? Do you refrain from (and discourage others) to talk negatively about them??
Well if bunch of people cursing the dead really makes no difference to the dead, then we (as Muslims) probably wouldn't be told to not disrespect the dead, and not only that we're actually further told to remember the dead in good words. Maybe it does make a difference to the dead in his grave. There's hikmat behind everything in Islam.
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Backbiting is sin but backbiting for the good of community is allowed as per many scholars of Islam.
This principle can be applied to a dead person to , in my humble opinion based on the opinions of learned scholars of Islam.
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^what about the question i asked?? about hitler, yazeed and changaiz khan?? what are your views on repeated bad-mouthing about them??
I answered your question:
If the discussion is in the context of keeping the facts straight and if a valuable lesson can be learned from those facts then of course one cannot tell a lie. But needless repetition is discouraged.
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Well if bunch of people cursing the dead really makes no difference to the dead, then we (as Muslims) probably wouldn't be told to not disrespect the dead, and not only that we're actually further told to remember the dead in good words. Maybe it does make a difference to the dead in his grave. There's hikmat in everything in Islam.
cursing the dead unnecessarily would affect the curser...not the dead person (as per my understanding).........
and what do you mean by 'respect the dead'?? does it mean we forget every bad thing they did and pretend it never happened??
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cursing the dead unnecessarily would affect the curser...not the dead person (as per my understanding).........
so what are you thoughts on the theory that the sins committed against a person are not forgivable?
if you curse someone that is dead......and you have clearly been told not to curse those gone from this world......then would you not be lessening their sins by giving away your naikeeyan to them?
besides.....what do we know what was in their hearts?
perhaps Allah has forgiven them? Who knows?
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cursing the dead unnecessarily would affect the curser...not the dead person (as per my understanding).........
and what do you mean by 'respect the dead'?? does it mean we forget every bad thing they did and pretend it never happened??
So backbiting is another name for "not forgetting" things? I wonder why Islam is so against it then...
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answering question with another question…
oh..i didn’t think that … then may be i would like to them to curse…it would reduce my sins…so its all cool…
i am not talking about whats in their heart…i am talking about those people’s actions and their effects…