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So sad to see people disputing something as harmless an straight forward as not talking bad of the dead. Then you cry when people say why Islam is not a "peaceful" "civilized" religion? And mind you, literally every religion condemns talking ill for the dead.
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So sad to see people disputing something as harmless an straight forward as not talking bad of the dead. Then you cry when people say why Islam is not a "peaceful" "civilized" religion? And mind you, literally every religion condemns talking ill for the dead.
nothing wrong in understanding 'straight forward' stuff too.....
perhaps you could tell me your answer to the question i asked to muzna....about hitler,yazeed,abu lahab etc etc..
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are you trying to get someone to say that what those people did was not wrong?
I don't understand the purpose of asking the same thing to Jolie.......
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are you trying to get someone to say that what those people did was not wrong? I don't understand the purpose of asking the same thing to Jolie.......
my point is.........if you say that those people did wrong stuff.......then that is talking ill of dead people........simple as that.
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I don't really get this statement.....
why you are not to talk about someone who has died?? do all their sins get washed away? and should everybody disregard all the evil/bad that was done by the dead person??
because they are not in the world to defend....
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before pointing fingers to others and badmouthing a dead person, we should reflect on our behaviours and amals!
and if that dead person has done some bad stuff. we should learn from him/her mistakes and ask for forgiveness from Allah swt!
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Do you also think its a waste to keep history in mind??
history is one thing, my perspective or opinion about certain dead individual is another thing
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a couple of answers come to mind:
Firstly, our religion tells us not to even engage in gheebat, and I suppose talking bad about a person after his/her death constitutes gheebat.
Also, a saying comes to mind... I'm not sure whether it's a hadith: the worst kind of gheebat is when one is cautioned for having made gheebat and the person replies, “I am not making gheebat. I am only speaking the truth.”
Secondly, after a person's death, that person isn't there to defend himself/herself - so the line betweeen slur and veritable information may become blurred.
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Would you like if someone says something wrong about you in your absence? ok leave this question.
To me it is useless to talk something negative about the person who is not present specially when he/she is no more, I know that noone would make me to wash out the negative things about that person from my mind but is it really important to TALK about those bad things? It would be more suitable and ethical if you ACTUALLY learn from those mistakes/blunders that were commited by that dead person.
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NomiCA,
What are your views on the matter in light of Umar's post shown below?
a couple of answers come to mind:
Firstly, our religion tells us not to even engage in gheebat, and I suppose talking bad about a person after his/her death constitutes gheebat. Also, a saying comes to mind... I'm not sure whether it's a hadith: the worst kind of gheebat is when one is cautioned for having made gheebat and the person replies, “I am not making gheebat. I am only speaking the truth.”
Secondly, after a person's death, that person isn't there to defend himself/herself - so the line betweeen slur and veritable information may become blurred.
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--There is normal person. Who did every thing for him self, impacting him self.
--There is this other person who killed people like insects. His power could and did
effect life of millions. Not only that bad impact would be felt by generations to come.
What if we have to talk about iconic figures to build our normal social minds ??????????????
Quran talk about bad deeds by the people and how they were killed. I wonder why?
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The ones who think - we as a muslims aren't allowed to curse bad people for their bad deeds - how would they defend these ayats of surah Lahab..
[Lahab 111:1] May both the hands of Abu Lahab be destroyed – and they are destroyed!
[Lahab 111:2] His wealth did not benefit him in the least, nor did whatever he earned.
[Lahab 111:3] He will soon enter the flaming fire.
[Lahab 111:4] And so will his wife; carrying a bundle of firewood on her head.
[Lahab 111:5] A rope made from palm fibre around her neck!
Isn'it Allah cursing Abu lahab and his wife for their bad deeds - and every one who recites the same surah in namaz does the same ....? Lahab is also dead by the way ..
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when we repeat the ayaats that you mention above, we are NOT taking judgement in our hands...... we are not expressing our opinion be it inaccurate or factual..........we are simply repeating that which Allah has already decreed.
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^^ Quoting Sura Lahab, which has its own extensive shan e nazool, how can you fairly compare Lahab with any other dead man, least a Muslim. Now come on you.
talking bad about anyone, dead or alive, is unethical thats why it sounds bad. ideally we shouldnt be talking bad about anyone, its back biting. and especially when people die, we know now Allah's promise with them is fulfilling already, i think its only human and God fearing that we leave the person to their Creator, who is the best judge of all.
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The ones who think - we as a muslims aren't allowed to curse bad people for their bad deeds - how would they defend these ayats of surah Lahab..
[Lahab 111:1] May both the hands of Abu Lahab be destroyed – and they are destroyed! [Lahab 111:2] His wealth did not benefit him in the least, nor did whatever he earned. [Lahab 111:3] He will soon enter the flaming fire. [Lahab 111:4] And so will his wife; carrying a bundle of firewood on her head. [Lahab 111:5] A rope made from palm fibre around her neck!
Isn'it Allah cursing Abu lahab and his wife for their bad deeds - and every one who recites the same surah in namaz does the same ....? Lahab is also dead by the way ..
So you're implying that Quranic verses are equal to your mumbo jumbo?
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repeating without believing ?
If not then he also asserted the importance of calling the ill deeds of bad people in public so other may learn the lesson and dont commit the same mistakes..
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***Na karo behes, haar jao gay
Aqal itni barhi daleel nahi
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^^ Quoting Sura Lahab, which has its own extensive shan e nazool, how can you fairly compare Lahab with any other dead man, least a Muslim. Now come on you.
talking bad about anyone, dead or alive, is unethical thats why it sounds bad. ideally we shouldnt be talking bad about anyone, its back biting. and especially when people die, we know now Allah's promise with them is fulfilling already, i think its only human and God fearing that we leave the person to their Creator, who is the best judge of all.
let be specific - the thread was started in reference of dislike posts made in Nusrat bhutto obituary threads ... So you got shan-e-nazul of this thread now ..
further more - when Umar ( R.A) as a khalifa was accountable for his deeds in front of an ordinary muslim - why cant these people be ?
and if they are - they indeed are - then people will talk about their good or bad deeds after their deaths ...
for good they get praised - for bad they get lashed - fair enough I say
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So you're implying that Quranic verses are equal to your mumbo jumbo?
So if I say ' Allah huma laen qatalatal amir ul momenin ' - it aint a quran verse but does it a mumbo jumbo ?
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let be specific - the thread was started in reference of dislike posts made in Nusrat bhutto obituary threads ... So you got shan-e-nazul of this thread now ..
further more - when Umar ( R.A) as a khalifa was accountable for his deeds in front of an ordinary muslim - why cant these people be ?
and if they are - they indeed are - then people will talk about their good or bad deeds after their deaths ...
for good they get praised - for bad they get lashed - fair enough I say
You're not making anyone held accountable, in fact, no one is. All I see is* do chaar gaaliyan* here and there.