not rape, but not right either

Practice vs. Privacy on Pelvic Exams
Med Students’ Training Intrusive and Needs Patient Consent, Activists Say
By Avram Goldstein
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, May 10, 2003; Page A01
When Zahara Heckscher went to George Washington University Hospital last month to have an ovarian cyst removed, she asked her surgeon if medical students would be practicing pelvic exams on her while she was unconscious. She was shocked that the answer was yes.
Medical students, interns and residents at teaching hospitals across the nation routinely learn how to perform such examinations by practicing on patients under anesthesia, medical educators say, and GWU Hospital officials say their program is no exception.

“Everyone I spoke with there acknowledged they normally do that,” Heckscher said. “I think it’s just such a violation.”
So the 38-year-old District woman wrote a note on her consent form forbidding anyone other than her attending physician to perform a pelvic exam on her while she was under anesthesia. On the way to the operating room, she mentioned it to everyone she encountered. “Some agreed with me, and a couple looked at me like I was a little bit crazy, but they said okay,” she said.
Heckscher and a growing number of activists say they think women should be advised routinely about the pelvic exam lessons and be given the opportunity to refuse. Gabrielle Lichterman, who recently launched a New York-based group called People Against Non-Consensual Pelvic Exams, says that an overwhelming majority of the nation’s 400 teaching hospitals use the generalized consent form as permission to perform the exams, and her group wants federal legislation to ban the practice.
“Women are being victimized,” she said. “This is simply unethical, and we want it abolished. I’m very optimistic that this will take under a year.”
Peter Ubel, director of the Program for Improving Health Care Decisions at the University of Michigan, co-wrote a study published in the American Journal of Obstetrics and Gynecology about the experiences of 400 Philadelphia medical students trained in the 1990s.
“We don’t see a pelvic exam as having any sexual content at all, but that’s not how other people perceive it,” Ubel said. “There’s no way a physician would ever equate a pelvic exam with rape – there is no rape content to it. But the fact that someone else perceives it that way makes it important.”
Ubel found that medical students often examined women who weren’t asked for consent, or the students did not know if the woman had been asked. “Students need to learn that they only do these things with permission,” he said.
The report said exams without detailed consent on anesthetized patients desensitized doctors about the need for patients to grant consent. Generalized consent forms at teaching hospitals typically authorized participation in patient care by students and residents, without specifying in which procedures they might participate.
Pelvic exams by students are done almost exclusively on obstetrics and gynecology department patients. Similarly, rectal examinations by students are sometimes done on patients undergoing prostate surgery.
Pelvic exams are among the most intimate and sensitive doctor-patient interactions and often cause tension for patients, doctors say. Over the years, OB-GYN staffers have improved the climate in the examining room, adding chaperones and changing the language they use during pelvic exams, said Jehan El-Bayoumi, a residency program director at George Washington.
“As usually is the case, it’s the consumers who have driven this as an issue,” El-Bayoumi said. “Public pressure has forced physicians to look at how we train students and residents to be more sensitive.”
Medical educators at area hospitals say most teaching hospitals allow one or two students to participate in exams of patients under anesthesia along with the attending OB-GYN physician and one or two medical residents. Officials at George Washington, Georgetown University Hospital and Johns Hopkins school of medicine said they follow a similar protocol. Officials at Howard University Hospital and Washington Hospital Center declined to provide details about their programs.
Educational pelvic exams have many defenders in the medical community. Anthony Scialli, director of Georgetown’s OB-GYN residency program, said there is no substitute for the operating room lessons learned by examining women who are unconscious. “The abdominal muscles are more relaxed, and the student sees shortly after the exam what the organs look like,” he said.
Michael Greger, a doctor from Boston who has lectured to medical students across the nation on the issue, said the voluntary guideline of having one or two students perform the exam is widely ignored.
“If they have five medical students on an OB-GYN rotation, they aren’t going to let one do it and not the other four,” Greger said. “I never heard of anyone out of some kind of respect for the patient just limiting it to a few.”
Nancy Hueppchen, director of the OB-GYN clerkship for medical students at Johns Hopkins University in Baltimore, said there is no way around the need for future doctors to practice pelvic exams, an important clinical skill.
“Would you want a physician graduating from med school or residency making their diagnoses and performing their first pelvic exams after they got out of training?” she said. “I think all of us would probably say no.”
Ubel said it usually takes up to 100 pelvic exams before a clinician is adequately skilled. Some medical students say the same principle leads them to perform practice rectal exams in men about to undergo prostate surgery.
In recent years, some medical schools and teaching hospitals have set new policies, especially after journal articles on student pelvic exams were published this year in the Journal of Obstetrics and Gynecology and the British Medical Journal. Now some teaching hospitals, including those affiliated with Harvard medical school, the Medical College of Wisconsin and the University of California at San Francisco, require more explicit discussions with patients about student participation.
John Larsen, George Washington’s OB-GYN chairman, said he knows of no instances when a half-dozen medical students have lined up to practice exams on unconscious women. “I have not seen that done since I was in training in New York in the late 1960s,” he said. “I don’t know if it’s going on anyplace in the country, but it might be.”
Still, he said he has no plan to amend the hospital’s policies. “I’m a policy minimalist,” he said.
Dennis O’Leary, president of the Joint Commission on Accreditation of Hospitals – the nation’s primary hospital inspection agency – said he is amazed the issue was not settled long ago.
“Times have changed, and the issues of privacy and respect for women are really paramount, and they weren’t paramount even five years ago,” said O’Leary, former clinical affairs dean at George Washington’s medical school.
He said he does not favor federal legislation, however. “I’m not sure that congressional intervention is as important as sensitizing the schools, clerkship directors and the students to this problem,” he said.
There is an alternative method of teaching Washington area medical students how to perform pelvic exams. The Veterans Affairs Medical Center in the District has hosted about 80 residents a year from the city’s three medical schools in a program that brings in a group of “gynecologic training associates” from a women’s nonprofit group, Women’s Health Consultants. Other hospitals offer their residents the same kind of in-house training from such groups.
Jane Hearren, a registered nurse from Amosville, Va., has worked as a trainer/model for 16 years. “It’s not for everybody, but it really isn’t difficult,” she said. "The students are always respectful and careful. Our group is well trained at making sure we don’t get hurt during an exam and being able to stop a student and say, ‘Wait, hold on, do this a little differently.’ "
Hearren said that a friend who is a nurse practitioner was trained the same way as the medical students, practicing on patients who are unconscious.
“Unfortunately,” she said, “I doubt if very many women are giving their consent. If you read most hospitals’ consent-to-treat forms, patients pretty much consent to letting doctors do whatever they want in the operating room.”
El-Bayoumi said patients will sense changes as a new generation of doctors focuses on making women feel safe and respected.
“In my practice, I have women who have been sexually traumatized or have psychiatric disorders,” she said. “This is especially crucial for patients when you’re talking about performing an exam that can actually re-traumatize her.”
Ubel said avoiding a request for consent is not justified. He said that, when asked, more than half of women agreed to allow students to practice on them.
“Even 50 percent is more than enough,” he said.

Re: not rape, but not right either

Do you have a source for this? You may want to add your own opinion as well, rather than just copying and pasting it.

Re: not rape, but not right either

u tell em shikki bhai :sadiyah:

:chai:

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While I absolutely do not think it's right and it, in fact IS a violation, I cannot believe that one can consider it rape.

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:O]

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They should ask. When I had an operation on my crown jewels when I was 10, they had to ask and get permission from my parents before medical students were allowed in the room.

Of course, that was in Britain, a more civilised place than the rebel colonies...

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I find this to be weird. I've never heard of such a thing, and it would be a gross privacy and HIPAA regulation. Medical students are under tight security for doing things like pelvic exams. Some med schools have volunteers who sign up for the pelvic exam come in as mock-patients, and students practice the pelvic exam under supervision. In clinic, if they're practicing the pelvic exam, its on an awake patient and with supervision.

I'll ask around if such things actually go on. Can anyone confirm if this is a real article?

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Search the internet missy! Article

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well if the crown jewels were anything like the foot, the hospital had to be careful in order to prevent students suing you for emotional distress.

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findarticles.com

They really do have a website for everything.

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If this is true, thats just wrong and shame on GWU for allowing/getting away with that.

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I googled it. there is an article talking about how most of the medical schools in the US have banned the practice. if it happens at those institutions, its happening illegally.

Now, that article is just some random article. I don't know whether to trust it. And this posted article is from 2003. Its now 2007.

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For those of you who are not believing it you can visit shamexam.org or Google for non consensual pelvic exam.
It is a common practice among teaching hospitals. Which makes sense because next generation of doctors have to be trained but an informed consent should be taken rather than being sneaky. I am sure most women will allow it if the subject was approached with respect. I guess it is these kinds of practices that some doctors learn to treat their patients like items on conveyors rather than humans.

PCG: In most schools 2nd year students learn on paid volunteers but in third year on unconscious women. General hospital consent allows doctors to do pretty much anything with their patients. So far California has been the only state to ban it.

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lal mirch, in 3rd year, you learn pelvic exams on females in the OB-GYN rotation. In males, you learn it in the med/internal med rotations, and I suppose if you take electives in urology and such topics. Of course, there are exceptions that

I don't see why they have the need to go out of their way to re-teach you the exam in a different and unrelated rotation. Now, if the surgery requires a pelvic exam, then I'm not sure what protocol for that would be - as to whether the exam is even needed to be done while the patient is under anesthesia. People who are in medical school here in their 3rd, 4rth years can perhaps shed light on it.

Again, your article is from 2003. I am not even sure if its still done in 2007. I can try and find out for you though.

Re: not rape, but not right either

I would be right there with my wife during any anesthetic or awake exams on her pelvic area.

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my bahbhi was wondering why any man wud wanna by a gynecologist

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A lot of men are OB-GYN’s and a lot of women go into Urology. There is the possibility that one COULD be fascinated with more than vaginas and penis’s since the such fields do often involve more than pelvic exams. :rolleyes:

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The pelvic area of ladies is really quite remarkable; its where it all happens: The birth of babies; the area where the "key meets the lock"; the site of emissions during "ladies days". Contrastingly, the male pelvic area conisists of nothing but a single "tool" that is used during reproduction.

Sorry to use quotes but I don't feel right saying (or typing) the explicit words. :)

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I am sure there are a lot of women who have no problem with these exams. I respect yours or anyone else's right to refuse though.

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I think they sign a agreement before doing that otherwise its not right.When zafeerah was born they asked for a permision if they can video tape it or some different things were their as i don't remmber now and i said i don't want that and and i signed it that no one can come into my room accept nurses and doctors.