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It was writing on the wall. Who would be in most danger when NK becomes nuclear power? South Korea; not Israel whose is in danger when Iran becomes nuclear power (a decade from now)
So lets just slap NK's wrists while continue to threaten Iran with all the might.
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From Asia Times
The second point is that a nuclear test will be a legitimate exercise of North Korea's sovereign right in supreme national-security interests of the country. The sole reason for the development of nuclear weapons is more than 50 years of direct exposure to naked nuclear threats and sanctions from the US. The Kim administration seeks to commit nuclear weapons to actual use against the US in case of war, never to use them as a tool of negotiations.
It is sheer illusion to think that sanctions and isolation will stop North Korea from the planned nuclear test. US hostility, threats and sanctions are the very engines that have propelled the development of nuclear weapons. Absent US hostility, nuclear blackmailing, sanctions, threats of isolation and regime change, the Kim administration would never have thought at all of acquiring nuclear deterrence.
What makes North Korea unique among those states Bush lumped together as the "axis of evil" is that only it has been subjected to US nuclear threats and sanctions and singled out as a prime target of nuclear preemption.
A nuclear test by North Korea will go a long way toward emboldening anti-American states around the world to acquire nuclear weapons. There is a long line of candidate states.
lets forget about Noko because as I said on several occassions that NK is a nooclar power no matter how you cut the cake. Here is my take on Iran.. Iran is a nooclar power no matter how you cut the cake, see the similarities :) ... Iran has far far more resources in all aspects then NoKo + India + Pakistan put together....
Please sit tight and enjoy amreekan table dance at UN.
hallelujah
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the situation between south and north is complicated. the main reason for the countries not being one is political. they're unable to agree on the type of government to run the country after unification. this has led to all the hostility. both governments still want unification.
so the primary aim of nucleur weapons must be external - although US does have 30,000 troops in south korea who must be a target
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China is starting to realize that what up until now has been a strategic thorn poking at America is quickly starting to make discomfort for them and if they don't act they are going to wake up one day and realize that they allowed a madman to acquire dozens of nuclear weapons not to mention a militarized and quite possibly nuclear Japan.
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^^ Not to mention Taiwan. A nuclear arms race in Asia could well include Japan, South Korea, and Taiwan.
That would of course drive China wild, and would cause massive instability in the area. Then again, there is no country that is less driven by right and wrong, and more driven by self interest than China. Godless Communists are prone to that....
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I agree, lets them first have a real government not power-snatchers, rulers/dictators supported by outsiders.
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If US didn't support totalitarian regimes, Pakistan would still be under sanctions and the US wouldn't have relations with any of the 50+ non-democratic Muslim nations.
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By supporting totiltarian regimes, what does US get? Because they are serving US interests, as soon as they stop doing that they become "monster", "dangerous", "evil" etc.
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And speaking of lack of consistency and liars, what about Iran? They are lying through their teeth.
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I agree that Iran is very likely lying thru teeth, but why? They are lying to get their defenses straight.
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How about you "the Muslims" demanding honesty from them? And picking and choosing which Muslim values you adhere to when supporting murderous regimes is hardly the picture of consistency.
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I don't support most of "Muslim" regimes to begin with, they are liars too, but aren't they "3rd world countries"?
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As long as we keep attacking defensless countries like Iraq, all other nations will continue to arm themselves with nuclear weapons to avoid the same faith. Nuclear weapons are deterrent, not a sign of aggression.
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taiwans time as an independent country is ticking down all the time. i dont think they've got time to join arms race.
your right kaleem, those without weapons are paying
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cough cough Kuwait cough cough
Let's re-write a little more history shall we?
If Saddam had Nukes, he would have kept Kuwait and threated to launch a missle at Riyahd or the Saudi oil fields. He was hardly defenseless. The fact that we have avoided nuclear blackmail to date is a testiment to disarmament. The fact that Pakistan, India and Libya have developed nuclear programs with virtually no one noticing points to the danger of radical regimes using nukes in the worst possible way.
Nukes can also serve to protect and preserve the most evil and totalitarian of regimes. The more countries that have nukes the greater the possibility that some miscalcualtion will occur and the world will be plunged into warfare or depression. Look at your kids and ask if they are safer with Iran and North Korea having nukes. Not today, but 20 years from now. What will the legacy be?
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OG, my friend do you need some Benadryl for that cough.
Whatever you are saying is correct from your point of view. Other people/nations think from their own perspective and care about their own interest. Is it in the best interest of Iran to develop nuclear weapon? Absolutely, if it did not Israel will be all over it. Was it in the best interest of India and Pakistan to develop nuclear weapons? Of course.... if you have not noticed after the nuclear capability there is more emphasis on peace talks and relationship building.
The fact of the matter is that there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and neither was any link to 9/11 or al-CaIdA. We can debate all day long if the world or Iraq is a safer palce without Saddam, however, you may want to sing the praises of peace to over 650,000 dead since the invasion in 2003. Let me know what they think of such a process.
OG, one does not need to look far but read the "The new american century" to understand how the facts are twisted to further the cause of this ideology. I am ashamed to say that we the people of United States do not have a say in what is done in our name.
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as far as i know saddam was always under US control inc. iran war. kuwait invasion was 'approved' by US, +they'll be others
the US is not fully trustworthy on any issue
their morals are questionable
they have many goals which clash with too many other countries.
the US was in the eighties seen a marketing dream. put the american flag on anything and just watch the product fly out the shops in the same countries it somehow held a grudge against. now all these conspiracies are coming out, you have to wonder why. look at iran, the US have held a anti iran policy for 50+ years. its sheer arrogance and possibly stupidity. wherever people are threatend they will try to fight back. iran and nk now have a need for weapons.
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Well, Saddam was a weapon of mass destruction. Precisely how many Genocides does one tyrant get before the world decends on him? And, just for the record, Saddam had a huge completely undisclosed WMD program that was only exposed when his son-in-law defected. Until the information came out from the son-in-law Hans Blix, who was running the IAEA at the time, was ready to give Iraq a clean bill of health, no nuclear program at all according to Hans.
The world had a close call. Saddam with a bomb, or chemical weapons would have plunged the world into war eventually. This is the guy who launched Scuds into Israel when Allied Arab forces were driving into Kuwait. Let's not throw the baby out with the bath water. Pakistan and India both had their fingers on the triggers of their new toys over Kashmir. How soon we forget. One miscalculation and the whole area would be more than warm. But crap, what do I care, I don't have relatives in Pakistan. Non-proliferation is more than Bush. It makes sense for about a Billion reasons.
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Kaleem that is simply not true. Iran does not have nukes nor has it had nukes and Israel isn't "all over it". Where do you get off saying this?
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And those genocides happened in the 1980's when USA overlooked Saadam's genocide for an more immediate goal for killing Iranians who took Americans hostage in Tehran.
Saadam had a nuclear program which was blown up by the Israelis.
His Chemical and Biological weapons were given to him by USA so that he can use it on Iran. He neither had the capability to make them, nor to properly store them. After the war ended, USA stopped sending it to him and he didnt have any after 1989.
Well Iraq had no nucelar program. It didnt have the capacity, nor the scientific knowhow to build one.
But Saadam's bomb making capability was taken out by the Israelis and his Chemical and Biological weapons were kept on a tight leash. The only fear USA had was that somehow he has found a way to store these weapons or an ability to reproduce them.
Attacking Israel is a way how every Arab proves how Islamic he is. Every Middle Eastern dictator, if he attacks Israel, will become the Hero of the arab and islamic world.
Our Nuclear Weapons are purely designed to fight each other rather than attack the West.
Having Nuclear Weapons has prevented war between India and Pakistan and prevented war with USA and USSR.
Because all 4 countries love life more than hate their enemeis.
But with countries like Iran or Cuba who are ready to sacrifice themselves to kill Jews or Americans. They cannot be trusted with such dangerous weaponry.
Castro told Kruschev that he was ready to sacrifice Cuba if it meant we can launch nuclear weapons on USA. Krushchev thought he was nuts and removed the missiles.
Same with Iran. Iran hates Israel more than it loves life. And as such cannot be trusted with nuclear weapons.
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^u r crazy if u think that majority of people/muslims want to kill Jews and Americans, and u need to become a little less biased in ur outlook of the world.
if they r so worried about the general welfare for people around the world, I'm talking about U.S...they need to go to Sudan and stop the genocide, fix the Israeli/Palestinian **** which will never happen unless they pressure Israel who rather build walls rather than try to get mutual peace, and they need to get off their high horse, and actually talk to their enemies, silence and hoping the problems will go away will not work, solve the conflicts with diplomacy and incentives...but sadly its the fact of life, look for the interests of ur country and screw the rest.
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irans not suicidal, more tactical, political. it'll be very easy for iran to have a say and be heard once noocla armed. also its inline with its goal of regional power status
israel are already trying to scare iran. they've bombed iraq. planned to bomb pakistan aswell.
hmmm,
makes me wonder if israel are suicidal. this isnt best way to stay alive. its a heavy reliance on the inability of muslims
i wouldnt be suprised if egypt re-enter the weapons fold in future after an israelli miscalculation
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I never said Muslims. I said Iran. In Iran I mean the Iranian Government and not the Iranian people although they have recruited 50,000 suicide bombers to attack Israel
Well their military is over-stretched. And Arabs wont allow it.
which will never happen until arabs change their mindset about Israel's right to exist and for Hamas and Hezbollah to acknowledge Israel's right to exist rather than pledging to destroy it.
Dont you think its a coincidence that after Israel build that wall, there havent been as many suicide bombings as there were in 2002 and 2003?
Thats the only statement I agree with. They should talk to Iran and North Korea and not let 3rd parties negotiate for them.
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N. Korea air sample has no radioactivity: US](http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_nkorea;_ylt=AjIoFN4gfXcL79a3aehT6pKs0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA2Z2szazkxBHNlYwN0bQ--)
^ :hehe: looks like some journalist was struggling to give it a title of his wishes… the same link now points to news with this headline:
U.S.: Test points to N. Korea nuke blast
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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A U.S. government source has told CNN on Friday it has preliminary evidence that radioactivity was detected from a North Korean test site, suggesting an October 9 nuclear test had in fact taken place.
A major blow to terrorism. Now lets have some face saver spin.
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Smack down on North Korea
UN security council approves of sanctions across the board.