non muslims praying namaaz in hindi films!!!

[rehman1]

*Originally posted by Lajawab: *

For me, there are certain prescibed ways of worship. Why innovate when you can resuscitate? Resuscitate the true and only ways which are prescribed?

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So, you believe that the Sahaba-e-Karam talked to Allah :saw:? They were the first part…

There is an Ayah in the Quran (I can;t remember which one right now), in which Allah :swt: states that some people introduced new things into their faith thinking it will bring them closer to Allah :swt:, but in reality it took them out of their faith…(If I find it, I’ll post it)…

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What I am simply stating, why bring your own thoughts into matters of religion…You tell someone something from your own imagination and that person does become Muslim, but does what you told him to do, you will be responsible for having brought in an innovation…A Bidah…Are you willing to take that risk? No matter how pure, pious and beautiful your intentions are?

OK. How about a realistic situation. I come from a family which practiced, and still does practice Shirk. I used to do it. Go to Mazaars and make dua, and manats and in my heart of hearts, I knew that what I was doing was part of Islam and it was good. My heart felt good. Until I realized what a horrible breach of boundary I was doing. But I realized it AFTER I was told about its effects on my Deen and I read into it. I was doing Shirk, an unforgivable act.

I make dua for my Imam who brought me out of it by explaining this innovation which is neither in the Quran or the Sunnah but I was doing it because it felt right and made me closer to Allah :swt:.

I wish to be the person to you what my Imam was to me. My method of telling you may have been stupid, but I am an idiot, so forgive me if I offended you somehow. It wasn’t my intention.

I have never heard about this. If you have, perhaps you can enlighten me. What else should one do?

Do you have proof of what you are saying? That by talking to Allah :swt: one can reach a status equalling that of a worshipper? Can you provide me some proof from the Quran or Hadith or Sunnah of the Holy Prophet :saw: that what you are saying is true?

Hazrat Musa :ahem: (Alayhisalam), was the only person in the history of the world to ‘talk’ with Allah :swt:…He was called Kaleemullah…

I never argued with you about this point…And you are right…It can be…There’s no publicity like bad publicity…Before 9/11 25,000 people a year were reverting to Islam every year in America…After 9/11 and the whole Islamophobia which started thereafter, 100,000 people a year started reverting…

Good for him…Allah :swt: guides people through the strangest means, and some won;t be guided even after being shown all the truth…

Look Coco, I am not putting a gun to your head to tell you that you have to agree with me and do what I say…A Fatwa is the same thing, a verbal decree…All I can do is tell you what is wrong about something which you are doing and it is entirely up to you to follow it or not…If you do and I have told you what is right according to the Quran or Sunnah and you follow it, I get Thawab, if not, I lose nothing…Of course being ignorant as I am, I may not be doing a great job of conveying to you what I believe, but that is my shortcoming, not what I am trying to say…

When I look at you and Nescio, I see myself about 8 years ago…When I was deep into Sufi stuff and doing this and that thinking whatever I was thinking and doing was great…Forget the prescribed stuff, I used to imagine stuff up and think to myself, (nauzubillah) why didn’t Allah :swt: think of that or why didn’t He do this or why did He have to do that? All the time thinking I would be forgiven for my transgressions…I used to despise the Mullahs and Wahabbis for making Islam so bland, without music, no images, no this no that…

Problem is, we don’t realize that by introducing stuff into Islam we make it mainstream and bland, like any other religion…The true color of Islam lies in its purity of truth and its power to be aloof from any man made innovations and ideas…We don’t realize that by introducing our logic and thinking into its teachings, we are watering it down…

You choose whatever you see best to do, and I apologize if I offended you in any way…Like I really care… j/k

Jazak Allah

Can you please point out the source about conversions.

[rehman1]

Stick firmly to the path of truth and do not feel lonely because of the few number of people who would join you, and be aware of the path of misguidance and do not be mislead with the large number of the
destroyed.

And from Allah is all help sought.

[CocoNut]

Before I try and tackle your points about innovation and resuscitation. Would you be so kind as to list your prescribed methods of prayer for me?

So as far as I know, I have not introduced anything alien to the religion of Islam. What I have done is follow an instance in Islamic history that was told by a learned person in a gathering. I could relate to that story, so I incorporated it within myself. I should elaborate on it, maybe you don't know it or could correct me if you know it better. A muslim was walking around 'talking' to Allah and the Prophet (I'm not sure which one) had noticed that he was 'praying' in such a way. The Prophet corrected him and later on was corrected by Allah. Allah had said that he found the man's constant devotion and rememberance of Him very appealing.

As you can see these aren't my own thoughts and they're not my imagination. Yes, I am willing to take the risk, thats the way I learn. I have asked and have been told with a lot of justification, otherwise why would I bring in something silly.

I'm glad your Imam gave you that tidbit of info. Atleast you are not ignorant as you were in the shadow of shirk. See when you came to me with that it is bid'ah, I didn't leave the discussion on Gupshup, I have verified it and found what I said to be true.

Thing is Lajawab, I'm not saying that the ways you have stated are wrong. I'm saying that there are the prescribed ways and then there is more that IS NOT innovated. Methods and intellect of each one of us are always in question, thats what makes us grow. You did not offend me, its just a discussion.

Have you never lifted your hands (or not) n just recited durood rambling on about your life and worries to Allah? That is a prayer ain't it? Do you feel enlightened? :-D Heh, that is in essence part of Dhikr.

When I said That 'prayer' **could be an equal* in comparison to someone who wakes up in winter, performs wudu and goes to the Masjid.* Emphasis on the bolded part.

I never said ONLY by talking to Allah one can reach the status equalling a traditional worshipper. Its a combination of the whole, not parts.

If you don't mind me correcting you, Moses was the only person in the world to talk to Allah and Allah talked to him back. There are many others who have and do talk to Allah but he doesn't talk to them back. There lies the difference.

I'm glad you seemingly find somewhat of a similarity between you and myself 8 yrs ago but I'm afraid that is not the situation. Far from it really. No one is imagining, no one is innovating, we are only challenging our own thought and perception in order to further ourselves. I would love to go on about this in person but for now lets stick to this threads topic.

If indeed Islam has been watered down by what I have said then May He cast His merciful decree on me in this world and in the here after. Ameen.