Non muslims dont go to heaven?

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meherealone: Believing in the goodness of God, being truthful & honest is enough to take one into Heaven. I guarantee it.

If you think you can cheat, be dishonest, but are born Muslim, pray five times daily, go to haj - and you will go to heaven. Think again.

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how dominantly he is talking on behalf of god!!!

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I think others see this as more simplistic than simple.
First off, one doesn't need to use the Arabic term for God to be monotheistic. There are all kinds of variations of believing in one God other than that version. And not all of them are so simplistic as the vengeful version of a powerful wizard sitting in some physical place of unimaginable beauty. God is everywhere and everything. It is not an entity as we understand the term. It's nothing resembling a being that we can comperhend or that speaks in the first person and has anything resembling an ego or emotions. "The oneness" is obvious and not worthy of being the test for heaven or God's #1 rule.

Spiritually and logically, it makes so much more sense to put our emphasis on doing what God wants us to do rather than contantly reasserting his superiority and all-powefulness. God is an all encompassing presence, not a being that craves worship and excessive adulation. That would imply a weakness - a jealous and and vain God - needy, bored and shallow. An imperfect God that is hung up in the mundane frivolities of human.

Secondly, with over 100,000 prophets sent from God (according to Islam), it is irrelevant to believe in the all impotance of just one man. All the prophets and every other men stacked together should not be on par with God. Here we give equal billing: "there is no god except Allah SWT and Muhammad was his messenger". It makes even less sense than the Christian belief that you must believe in Jesus as your saviour as the only path to heaven. At least Jesus serves a purpose other than mere mortal messenger.

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Shalom! And a happy Ramadaan to you.

Seriously - why does it pertrub you so much that others follow different religions?

As with muslims, most people are simply born into their religion and continue following it partly because of fear, partly because of not wanting to rock any boats, partly because they don’t want to question or prove that their parents were simply foolish to follow and to teach to follow. I haven’t heard a single arguement from a jihadi or a religiouso as to what they’d have done if they hadn’t born into a muslim house.

This sort of intolerance towards others and too much blind faith into ones own superiority is what’s led to the destruction of islam that you see all around.

Merry Xman

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This is your own characterization. By the same token, one can calim God isn't some laid back hippie driking buddy who's there to listen to your liliuptian problems. Or some disinterested cloud.

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Spiritually and logically, it makes so much more sense to put our emphasis on doing what God wants us to do rather than contantly reasserting his superiority and all-powefulness.

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Worship is what he wants us to do, as he has communicated to us. If you reject it...then to you your own faith and to us our own.

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Secondly, with over 100,000 prophets sent from God (according to Islam),

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According to Islam, God only created us to worship him...why no invocation of that above?

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it is irrelevant to believe in the all impotance of just one man. All the prophets and every other men stacked together should not be on par with God. Here we give equal billing: "there is no god except Allah SWT and Muhammad was his messenger".

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No, by no means is it "equal" billing. It's a criteria of faith, and a less verbose way of saying that one recognizes the primacy, and sovereignty, of Allah (swt) as communicated through the Message revealed to Muhammad (saw)

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honestly tell me have you ever read Sura Asar of Quran

bahi meray you are only taking one criteria , but 4 criterias are mention there
and unless 4 of them will not be fullfiled you will not go to heaven directly

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If you think you can cheat, be dishonest, but are born Muslim, pray five times daily, go to haj - and you will go to heaven. Think again.
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where i say dishonest will go to heaven
and secondly without doing good deed ( including five time prayers, haj etc as well as honest daily workout , interaction with people etc etc ) one will not be going to jannat according to Quran

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please show me the Arabic as to where it says da'wah in surah asr? It says tawaaSou bi al-haqq wa tawaaSou bi al-Subr : Who Enjoin WITH The Truth and Enjoin WITH Fortitude/Patience/Endurance.

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and you should also know what does this mean enjoin with the truth
and the truth is
"there is no god but God"

if you take truth as speaking truth then that is cover in "do rightiest deed"
because speaking truth is one of the rightiest deed

bringing other to the truth means to do dawa

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me here alone - that's going to be the position of Heaven, if we strickly follow your interpretations.
80% - in hell ( non-belivers)
8% - Shias,Ismailies, etc - sent to Hell?
11.999999999%- sunni's who somehow do not fulfill some tenants of Islam

Heaven as such will have only 0.00000001 of the population - with everyone saying 'me here alone'.

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^ Malhot tell me whether Veerapan (the outlaw of southern india) will go to hell or heaven.

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Anyways according to your own logic of being honest and helpful the points you guaranteed to reach heaven also wont exceed more than 0.00000000000000000000000000000000000001% also i feel its better to go ahead with your statistics mentioned above rather than your guaranteed points.

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Incorrect... it does not. An automatic byproduct of Enjoining with the Truth is a "passive" da'wah, where people see your conduct and your approach to life and see the truth in it, hence following your path and taking you as an example. It does not mean preaching... It says no matter how things are going, you side with the truth, and do so with fortitude and endurance: If you do not, then you're at a loss. That is the message of this chapter, and it is a LOT harder to do since we always look for instant gains (example: say so and so verse from the Quran and you will get so and so ... this chapter is meant to shatter such manmade concepts).

Note: It can also be the case of say a trial where you know the truth of what happened and some people are pressurizing you to give false testimony through bribe or threat (or even the worst case, a clergyman tells you to side with his interpretation/verdict/edict/fatwah or face the wrath of God)... you have to side with the truth and do so with endurance and patience because you will not see its reward instantly. If you sided with falsehood by giving false testimony, sure a you will see instant/personal gain in this matter (money, safety, "bravo" from userpers,) but you will have destroyed your own SELF (khudi) in the process, adding on to the barrier to a higher/superior/moral state of existance (paradise?).

Simple... this is not realy a religious philosophy (which is my argument about the Quran as well, that it is meant to do away with religion,) however it can possibly be applied to religion if you choose, but to any religion then.

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I Agree............

God create this universe and he loves to all doesn’t matter you are muslim, hindu, jew etc he loves to all.
If you will treat very well with humans and his creations may you will get reward of heaven and I don’t believe that heaven is the property of Mullasssss who determine that you will go to hell or heaven.

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Good post.

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its your own will , if you want to make fun of Quran
secondly it doesn't matter to Allah , if all the world go to hell or heaven
it matter only to us

if you say 80% non believers , i will say yes, but if you have told 80% non muslim , i would have said may or may not be , because according to quran some of them are believers that is some of them believe in only one Allah and donot say , jesus etc son of god etc although they are not muslim

and when you say 8% shias, ismailies etc and 11.99999% sunni
i will combine all muslims who are muslims only by name because all of them acting on some part leaving the other but criteria mentioned by Quran is to fullfil all the 4 criterias

"INSAN khasarey main HAY"

again read
"INSAAN khasarey main Hay"

in my opinion that can be totally wrong , in todays world , not a single person is able to go to heaven except if Allah give free forgiveness

on merit no one is going to heaven

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do you think , that when you abuse Allah , by saying falan idol is also god and falan is son of God , should Allah still like you , although Allah in sora toba saying that this is the biggest abuse for him
in whole Quran and all books of different religion , it is mentioned again and again that do not make his partners
rest is up to you

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^ good one!

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The excellent post of the thread.

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upto you bahi
although it comes in doing good deeds but upto you how you see it

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hence following your path and taking you as an example. It does not mean preaching... It says no matter how things are going, you side with the truth, and do so with fortitude and endurance: If you do not, then you're at a loss. That is the message of this chapter, and it is a LOT harder to do since we always look for instant gains (example: say so and so verse from the Quran and you will get so and so ... this chapter is meant to shatter such manmade concepts).

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i will again say you to read sura asar again

"Jo iman lay aur neek amal kertay rahey"

you side the truth means key you keep on doing the good deeds

you are missing a simple point here my bahi

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Note: It can also be the case of say a trial where you know the truth of what happened and some people are pressurizing you to give false testimony through bribe or threat (or even the worst case, a clergyman tells you to side with his interpretation/verdict/edict/fatwah or face the wrath of God)... you have to side with the truth and do so with endurance and patience because you will not see its reward instantly. If you sided with falsehood by giving false testimony, sure a you will see instant/personal gain in this matter (money, safety, "bravo" from userpers,) but you will have destroyed your own SELF (khudi) in the process, adding on to the barrier to a higher/superior/moral state of existance (paradise?).

Simple... this is not realy a religious philosophy (which is my argument about the Quran as well, that it is meant to do away with religion,) however it can possibly be applied to religion if you choose, but to any religion then.
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everything which you have told is covered in the 2nd part good deeds

the third part "Haq baat ki talqeen" or enjoin the truth moves forward then this
that comes to the point that show others the right path
and right path or truth is

"there is no god but Allah"

and when some one don't want to accept the truth you have to do patience which lacks in most of mullahs of today

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^upto you as`well :)