Non Muslim 'Honour Killing!'
But only Muslim are pointed out as honour killers!
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Because muslims point out themselves rather than looking around. In India, more number of women die due to domestic violence than honor killing and also gender ration is far better in muslims and christians when it is compared with hindus. Dowry killing is more in Hindus than in muslims.
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So it's more of a Third World problem than Muslim problem.
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Even education seems incapable of stopping this menace, In India, more richer and educated a region is poor is gender ratio. Gender ratio is better in slums when compared with posh areas:(, similar is the case with dowry killing, honor killing is quite uniform but highest in rich states like Punjab and Haryana.
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They'll realize their folly when the guys would be forced to marry other guys just cause there won't be enough girls.
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Forward caste and specially my caste, Jats, have very poor gender ratio 600 women per every 1000 males. while lower caste have very good ratio,due to this even intercaste marriage started,women are also bought from poor states like bengal and bihar who are exploited mercilessly in Jatland. I have heard even stories of burying daughters alive by my Rajput women collegue whose younger sisters were meted out this treatment:) and higher education means better methods available for gender selection though sex determination is banned in India:(
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Sad :(
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Indeed it is sad, Gender determination is equally rampant in China, where only one child is allowed, Chinese in this way very much culturally similar to Indians, boys are preferred over girls in china too:(
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If you understood the actual meaning of my post, it refers to the western medias hypocritical use of labeling anything that has a muslim involved in the crime as being an honour killing. They also include the fact that a spurned lover whose muslim and disposes of his love interest as an honour killing and it doesnt always have to be about the family.
Also the mentally ill bit was regarding this case in which it is stated that the victim was of sound mind and the attacker they are making a million excuses for e.g. he was also mentally ill or had been drinking etc. We all know in the west if a person does anything illegal and disturbing, they first think they are mentally ill and send you to the loony asylum, even if you arent. But for muslims, they are just seen as religiously evil full stop.
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Honour killings usually refer to violence carried out by relatives in response to the victim's actions (going against cultural norms).. Your definition isn't correct..
There's a very well-known case similar to the one you've mentioned here in the UK involving a model called Katie Piper.. and no, excuses weren't made and the guy who attacked her (ex bf) was not labelled mentally ill.. Obviously that doesn't involve honour but neither does the case you mentioned.. As has already been pointed out it's about revenge..
The truth is that actual honour killings are linked to culture (not religion obviously) but not just desi culture.. Arabic, kurdish and other highly patriarchal cultures also have a problem with it.. Western societies do have plenty of problems but this isn't one of them..
Btw you need to add the source for this article as well..
Honour killings as mentioned by some already are not always done by family members and they happen in non muslim cultures too.
A man who likes a girl who insults his honour by refusing him like in the above article and kills her is also deemed an honour crime when it involves muslims.
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But only Muslim are pointed out as honour killers!
Totally agree with that. I have been told by non muslim white friends that their parents and brothers said they would beat them all for honour and its happened for dating a non white person or even a muslim. Sad really.
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This is from today.
Ogad Singh, India Man, Reportedly Beheads Daughter In Rage Over Lifestyle
Ogad Singh, India Man, Reportedly Beheads Daughter In Rage Over Lifestyle
By PRAKASH BHANDARI 06/18/12 09:04 AM ET AP
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JAIPUR, India – Police say a man upset over his daughter’s lifestyle chopped her head off with a sword and then paraded it through his village before surrendering to authorities in western India.
Marble miner Ogad Singh’s 20-year-old daughter had been living with her parents in the Rajasthani village of Dungarji after leaving her husband two years ago.
Police Superintendent Umesh Ojha says Singh was upset by his daughter having affairs with men, and became enraged when she eloped with one of them two weeks ago.
Ojha says Singh forced her to return home Sunday, and beheaded her Monday with a sword.
Rapidly modernizing India faces increasing social clashes as youths resist traditions like arranged marriage or limits on women venturing outside their parents’ or husbands’ homes.
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@Shamraz, thats so sad to hear. Funny how the western press ignore crimes done by non muslims.
Honour is not exclusive to the family only.
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It should be banned in every country and religion..Moreover every one should blame it openly.
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A journalist sitting in London may find context but that is irrelevant unless the criminal him or herself states that they consider it a reason. A random deleted sitting somewhere attributing something to a criminal is retarded and frankly dishonest.
And it goes back to my original question. Show the actual support. Because to date from my knowledge no one involved in Honor Crimes has actually stated that the reason they did it is because Islam allows it.
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If you understood the actual meaning of my post, it refers to the western medias hypocritical use of labeling anything that has a muslim involved in the crime as being an honour killing. They also include the fact that a spurned lover whose muslim and disposes of his love interest as an honour killing and it doesnt always have to be about the family.
Also the mentally ill bit was regarding this case in which it is stated that the victim was of sound mind and the attacker they are making a million excuses for e.g. he was also mentally ill or had been drinking etc. We all know in the west if a person does anything illegal and disturbing, they first think they are mentally ill and send you to the loony asylum, even if you arent. But for muslims, they are just seen as religiously evil full stop.
If that was true wouldn't the mental hospitals be full? My dad's a psychiatrist so I'm well aware of how the process works.. Honestly you need to stop making things up to try and make yourself feel better..
Honour crimes are to do with societal and cultural reasons, not personal ones.. Not sure why that basic fact is so difficult for some ppl to grasp..
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Actually they are. You should really read up on the Prison system in the US, the over-crowding, lack of basic facilities and the huge business it is. And secondly PrincessJ is right. The Norway bomber who calls himself a Templar (something similar to a Mujahid) is referred to as mentally disturbed and not a Christian terrorist.
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^She is referring to mental hospitals in the UK being the** first place considered for non-Muslims rather than prison.**. Possibly one of the most ridiculous things I have ever read on GS..
Pulling up one or two specific cases such as Anders Breiring Breivik (who some consider legally sane and others not) doesn't prove italways or even mostly happens, does it? For every one or two mentioned there are literally hundreds of other cases where the guy in court wasn't declared mentally disturbed..
Not sure why she just can't admit we have a problem with honour-related crime (tho we aren't the only ones).. Anyone objective would not have a problem just admitting it, likewise those of us born and brought up in the west come across just as serious issues in the british environment.. If someone rightly says binge drinking is a national epedemic we don't just ignore and pretend it's not happening then try and look for another (mismatched) retaliatory news story to make ourselves feel better.. It's petty and childish (and a bit of a joke when her made up definition of 'honour killing' doesn't even match the the real definition)..
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^She is referring to mental hospitals in the UK being the** first place considered for non-Muslims rather than prison.**. Possibly one of the most ridiculous things I have ever read on GS..
Pulling up one or two specific cases such as Anders Breiring Breivik (who some consider legally sane and others not) doesn't prove italways or even mostly happens, does it? For every one or two mentioned there are literally hundreds of other cases where the guy in court wasn't declared mentally disturbed..
Not sure why she just can't admit we have a problem with honour-related crime (tho we aren't the only ones).. Anyone objective would not have a problem just admitting it, likewise those of us born and brought up in the west come across just as serious issues in the british environment.. If someone rightly says binge drinking is a national epedemic we don't just ignore and pretend it's not happening then try and look for another (mismatched) retaliatory news story to make ourselves feel better.. It's petty and childish (and a bit of a joke when her made up definition of 'honour killing' doesn't even match the the real definition)..
So one or two major cases that redefine the nature of a legal system is not an issue of always or mostly happens. I bet you consider the Rodney King incident happenstance. Your comment is mainly conjecture as the statistics are not available to prove or disprove either point. A simple case as illustration. A black man has a higher chance of going to jail for a crime in the US than any other ethnic group.
As for honor killings I would again ask anybody to show me an incident where those committing the crime have stated that religion or culture was the reason for their actions. Hell I would even take a veiled reference at this stage.
And I am sorry Brits regularly ignore hooliganism and binge drinking as a national problem at a local level.
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I thought 'honor killing' was more of a south asian cultural phenomenon rather than a religious one.