Non Muslim 'Honour Killing!'

‘I know I am going to die’: What woman, 35, told police officers after suffering fatal 95% burns when set alight with white spirits ‘by man she rejected’

  • Spurned lover Terrence Armer is accused of murder
  • Allegedly set Stacey Mackie alight in Kendal, Cumbria
  • Court shown footage of night 35-year-old was burned

A woman doused with white spirit and set alight by a spurned admirer told a police officer: ‘I know I am going to die’, a court heard.

Disturbing footage of the night Stacey Mackie, 35, was fatally burned was shown on the first day of the trial of Terrence Armer, 61.

Armer, of Kendal, Cumbria, is accused of murdering Miss Mackie, who died after a fire at the sheltered accommodation where she lived in Crag View, Kendal. The 61-year-old denies murder.

Stacey Mackie, 35, from Cumbria, was allegedly doused in white spirit and set her alight after spurning her admirer Terrence Armer, 61

Prosecutor Mr Timothy Storrie told Carlisle Crown Court that around midnight on January 27, Armer went to the flats and into Miss Mackie’s apartment.

He said: 'Once inside, he poured a bottle of white spirit over Stacey Mackie and set her alight. The effect on her was catastrophic.

‘(The burns) covered 80 to 95 per cent of her body. Injuries of that magnitude are just not survivable.’

The jury was shown a video interview with another resident of Crag View, Ian Raw, who encountered **Armer outside the flats holding a small axe and a plastic carrier bag.
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Mr Raw rang police after Armer walked past him into the building and upstairs to Miss Mackie’s flat. CCTV footage played in court showed Armer using a screwdriver and the axe to try and break in, before Miss Mackie opened the door to him.

Some minutes later police arrived at the door of the flat, trying to kick and barge their way in before finally using a ram to smash it open. Black smoke pouring into the corridor from the flat was so thick it obscured the view from the camera.

Officers and fire crews were called to the home of Stacey Mackie in Kendal, Cumbria, on January 27. She later died

On the first day of the trial, Carlisle Crown Court was shown disturbing footage of the night Stacey Mackie, 35, was fatally burned.

Footage taken from a camera worn by a police officer showed Miss Mackie sitting in the lobby of the building - her clothes almost entirely burned off and her hair singed.

The court was told as a police officer tries to reassure her, she replied: ‘I know I am going to die.’
**Mr Storrie said the bag Armer was carrying was later found to contain a large knife, a Stanley knife and a roll of tape.
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Miss Mackie, formerly from the coastal Cumbrian village of Haverigg, told police in the lobby that Armer was her attacker and ‘he had set her alight and she was sure she was going to die’, Mr Storrie said.

Armer and Miss Mackie met last winter while they were both being treated at the ward of a local hospital for mental illness, Mr Storrie said.

Although Miss Mackie’s mental illness meant she had her ‘ups and downs’ she had been well at the time of the alleged attack and there was no indication she was a risk to herself, he said.

He said: ‘Terrence Armer was known to have sought her companionship. He bought her presents and asked her to spend Christmas with him. He attached to the relationship a special significance she did not share.’

After the pair fell out Armer sent Miss Mackie messages declaring his love for her, but these became more abusive in the run-up to the attack, said Mr Storrie.

When he was interviewed by police, Armer denied attacking Miss Mackie.
He said she had been rolling a cigarette while he left her to go to the toilet and was already alight when he came out.
However, Mr Storrie said an identical bottle of white spirit to the one found on the sofa at Miss Mackie’s flat was found at Armer’s home in Kendal.

DNA found on the bottle in her flat matched samples from Armer, and white spirit was found on his trainers and clothes, he said.

The trial is expected to last into next week.

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but these sound like revenges, not honor kiilings

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I'm going by the definition of the non muslim media. For them, even a spurned lover or suitor who kills a woman is labled to have done an 'honour killing', because she insulted his honour by refusing him.

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oh ok, that makes sense

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You see the thing is, the western media is very hypocritical in its reporting as we all know, but as you may have read, they are quick to label this incident as two people who were 'mentally ill', so as to negate any blame away from the individuals concerned or society as a whole, but the article clearly states that the woman was deemed sane and maybe even the man..

In the west, when someone acts out of the ordinary... as in this case the man burned the woman, he is sent to a mental facility and deemed mentally ill, but no blame is directed on the persons religious or cultural or moral beliefs or that of society around them. But for muslims blame is directed always towards their religion and/or culture, minus any arguements as to whether such individuals could also be possibly mentally ill or disturbed.

Interesting that when this same issue involves muslims, they are not considered insane but religiously abusive. Ive lost count of the number of incidences in which a non muslim male has killed, mutilated, beaten, murdered his wife/gf/ and the lover etc.. all for damaging his honour/ego.

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Islam does not have any link to honor killings it does not have any quranic or hadith which allows such horrible actions it is a cultural phenomena found in asian subcontinent and middle east. As you know the western media are in a war against islam so anything they will use to stain this beautiful deen.

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Honour killings usually refer to violence carried out by relatives in response to the victim's actions (going against cultural norms).. Your definition isn't correct..

There's a very well-known case similar to the one you've mentioned here in the UK involving a model called Katie Piper.. and no, excuses weren't made and the guy who attacked her (ex bf) was not labelled mentally ill.. Obviously that doesn't involve honour but neither does the case you mentioned.. As has already been pointed out it's about revenge..

The truth is that actual honour killings are linked to culture (not religion obviously) but not just desi culture.. Arabic, kurdish and other highly patriarchal cultures also have a problem with it.. Western societies do have plenty of problems but this isn't one of them..

Btw you need to add the source for this article as well..

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An honor killing, or honour killing[SUP][1]](Honor killing - Wikipedia)[/SUP] (also: honor murder[SUP][2]](Honor killing - Wikipedia)[/SUP][SUP][3]](Honor killing - Wikipedia)[/SUP]) is the homicide of a member of a family or social group by other members, due to the belief of the perpetrators that the victim has brought dishonor upon the family or community. Honor killings are directed mostly against women and girls, but have been extended to men.

Source: Honor killing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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That's precisely because culture* is* at fault here, religion is being abused, and the legal systems in Muslim countries are complicit to boot. The "hypocritical Western media" doesn't have much to do when those who carry out honor killings cite the cultural and/or religious basis for their actions themselves. In many societies, punishment/death is a justified consequence for 'disobedience,' 'dishonor,' or 'lewdness,' primarily on the part of women. To complicate matters, religious meanings attached to terms like 'chastity' or 'virginity' further reinforce social and cultural traditions that treat women as property. The motivation often goes beyond protecting an individual's honor, to protecting the community at large and Islam.

I think it's time we shed the collective victim complex and come to terms with our dirty laundry.

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Uhh. You got the wrong def of honor killing, op.

Why cant we just accept Muslims do these things in the name of Islam??? The denial is so mind boggling


honour killings r also revenges,grievences agaist eachother!result is same Death!

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It is more about how we as a society ignore honor killings and how it is a lot more organized over here in Pakistan. The kill is often sanctioned by a jirga or something similar. This incident was one man acting alone while in our country it's the society against a women. So there's the difference.

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I have a question which part of religion or culture is being used to justify honor killings? To my knowledge and I am by no means an expert on the matter, all honor killings entail a woman going against her parents wishes to either marry, adopt alternative customs or generally violate what they want.

I have never seen anybody who has committed an honor killing claim they did it because Islam said they could do so. Nor have they done it because they feel that Pakistani, Arab or Malay culture says do so. What they state is specifically that they feel their honor as a family is ridiculed. Its a personal matter and none use any religious justification.

Rather it is the western centric media that portrays it as such.

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Not excursive to Muslims only. Happens in many other cultures, too.

India’s Nirupama Pathak Case Raises Honor-Killing Debate - TIME

For three weeks now, a morbid murder story has been playing out in the Indian media. Nirupama Pathak, 22, a New Delhi–based journalist, was allegedly murdered by her own mother. Her crime? She had wanted to marry a fellow journalist who belongs to a lower caste — and she was pregnant. On a trip home to make a final effort to convince her family, Nirupama texted her boyfriend that she was being held captive, locked up in a bathroom. On April 29, she was found dead. The family claimed Nirupama had killed herself, and lodged a case against her boyfriend for rape and abetting suicide. But when the postmortem results revealed Nirupama had been asphyxiated, the police arrested her mother, Sudha Pathak.

The case is now headed to court, which will disentangle the web of allegations and counterallegations. Meanwhile, it has thrust the issue of honor killings to the center of public debate. Though Western readers associate the term more with Taliban-ruled Afghanistan than with 21st century India, honor killings are shockingly frequent in villages in the northern and northwestern parts of the country, where those daring to cross the barriers of caste are made to pay with their lives. Mostly, these cases are confined to the inside pages of newspapers, but the Nirupama case — in urban, educated, middle-class India — has hit the front pages. (See the tempestuous Nehru dynasty of India.)

Activists say dozens of people, both women and men, are killed for “honor” every year, falling victim to the deeply entrenched caste system, which dictates an individual’s social standing based on the caste they are born into. The majority of these killings take place in the agrarian states of Punjab, Haryana, Uttar Pradesh and Rajasthan, where land ownership and caste go hand in hand and an honor culture thrives by maintaining caste and gender hierarchies. “The upper castes fiercely guard their hold over land and power in the community,” says Ranbir Singh, a Haryana-based sociologist currently a consultant with the Haryana Institute of Rural Development. “They are able to mobilize young, educated but unemployed, mostly unmarried men, who are all fired up to shore up their self-esteem.”

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Looks like this is more of a cultural than religious issue - killings to save family (perceived) honor.

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You could say that so called honour killing does go on in the west, most abortions are done legally so no one questions why the unborn child was punished for a crime it did not commit?

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Abortion is totally different. It's about a woman's right to her body. The fetus can't survive without the mother, can it? You're not going carry a kid to term for someone are you. So you don't have the right to force someone to have a kid they don't want, for whatever reason.

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I can't say for sure since am a male,

but the Law of the Jungle says ............survival of the fittest!

if ain't fit to live.............who cares!

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If honor killings aren’t a product of culture, namely patriarchal culture, what are they a product of. Traditions don’t develop in a social vaccum. I’d say cultural attitudes about women, sex, and shame are a much more proximate predictor than religion. It’s another thing that people may ‘find’ context within Islam or other faiths to reinforce these beliefs. One can argue that scripture supports (in the form of parochial gender roles) the mentality behind ‘disciplining’ a woman (or man) for non-conformism, even if it doesn’t condone the extra-judicial violence that follows.

Useful read:

“ICAHK (Int’l Campaign Against Honor Killings) have spent five years in observing ‘honour’ crimes and ‘honour’ cultures around the world and believe that it is possible to sketch a paradigm of the sociocultural characteristics of ‘honour’ culture, useful for determining a society’s potential for engendering acts of ‘honour’-based violence.”

Anatomy of honour-based violence | Stop honour killings!

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Honor killing does take place in India,jatland, in any sagotra marriage the couple is killed and their family is outcasted from community:), I don't think muslim alone are involved in it:)