prophet muhammad's every act was according to guidance from Allah particularly after getting the prophethood, it was not our prophet's own choice but guidance from Allah that he married to more than 4 wives.
One cannot compare him with Hazrat Loot and Hazrat Nooh and their wives
Moreover Allah has given testimony for the innocence of hazrat Ayesha in Quran so whoever doubts her integrity is doubting Quran. The only one who will do that is the one who thinks that Quran has been altered
If any one disputes in this matter with thee, now after (full) knowledge had come to thee, say: “Come! Let us gather together,- our sons and your sons, our women and your women, ourselves and yourselves: Then let us earnestly pray, and invoke the curse of Allah on those who lie!” 3:61
Read the ayah above again keeping in mind that Quran is very specific in language and terminology. There can be no doubt and ambiguity in its language. I am sure that you agree to what I have stated so far.
In the event of Mubahela, there was only one female, namely Hazrat Fatimah (ra) from the Prophet’s side. Every one agrees to that.
Yet the Quran says: “our women and your women”
Care to enlighten us why the Quran just say our woman.
Is it not logically keeping the Islamic traditions in mind that have the youngest lady represent the other ladies. Thus the Quran says: “our women and your women”
If what you is the case, then tell me LOGICALLY why the need for this ayah? Just for filling up a few more lines in the Quran for recitation?
"Women of purity are for men of purity, and men of purity are for women of purity."(Quran 24:26)
So do you think prophets came before Hazrart Muhammad e Mustafa were propagating religion/Shariah not according to will of Allah Subahan ho tala? It is obvious that Core religion is same because all prophets came from Lord Almighty and their duty to give their nations the correct message.
We keep fasting as the nations b4 us (other prophets nations) used to do
We pray (may be the order of Salat is different then other Ummat).
We have strong faith on Lord (same message Propagated by all prophets)
The common message or theme of all the revealed religions is Tauheed (Oneness of Allah (swt). The shariyyah was different due to circumstances and the needs of the time.
The other Prophets’ (peace be upon them all) nations did fast but not with same rules like that of Ummah of Muhammad (saw).
The other Prophets’ (peace be upon them all) nations did pray but not with same rules like that of Ummah of Muhammad (saw).
The other Prophets’ (peace be upon them all) nations did pay poor’s due (Zakaat) but not with same rules like that of Ummah of Muhammad (saw).
The other Prophets’ (peace be upon them all) nations did not have Pilgrimage (Hajj) rules just like that of Ummah of Muhammad (saw).
So don’t mix apples with oranges and bananas just because they are fruits. Every fruit has its own taste.
However i clarify, you have omitted the word finery & just used the word display, & you remember the ayat that you should not behave with any one else in a manner that something wrong comes into his mind and lest he says that. This is all connected, The wives of the prophet are being ordered to have a certain kind of attitude amongst which one is that they do not have to display their 'Finery" not themselves but 'finery' in public. I do not think leading war has any thing to do with finery. I am not advocating her stance of war, but you must remember that ayats were revealed just to show her innocence and no other wife of the prophet has this honour. Allah will never reveal ayats in shaan of someone who wil subsequently go the levels as our shia brothers are saying.
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My dear brother I do understand your point...granted the fact that no other wife had this honor of having her name cleared of charges of immorality by divine revelation...does this in tself give her a status where her judgement and intentions cannot ever be questioned ? Why is that her other mention in Quran so conventiantly forgotten? and she is taken without question the major narrater of ahadith
furthermore how can we call her "siddiqa" when Quran documents that she had lied to the Prophet(saw)?....
Now whosoever regards all these above mentioned personalities in high esteem has embarked, but few people turn away from Hazrat Muhammad (p.b.u.h)'s two wives, so they turn away from them. The hadith is clear, *no one in Islam has tuned away from Hazrat Ali, Hazart Fatima, Hazrat Hassan & Hussain. may they be sunnis or shias or ahl-e-hadith, you name it, but few amongst us have turned away from two wives of our beloved Rasool. *
I hope the meaning of the Hadith can be better understood now.
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brother for yrs Ameerulmomineen was cursed from pulpits of mosques until Umar b abdul aziz (ra) stopped this practice.....Ahlesunnah wa jammah only in the time of Imam Hanbal accepted Ali as the fourth rightly guided caliph
OK, then they are supposed to be cursed by Allah, no questions about it.
However if on the basis of ayat of sadaqat of Hazrat Ayesha, she cannot be given a carte blanche of her life after wards of the ayats. how come then anyone who has been declared purified and masoom be declared masoom for actions after the revelations of ayat. it is a paradox, either we agree on both or we agree on nothing, we cannot select one case and reject one case.
i would like to see those ayats where she has been explicitly or implicitly declared as liar to our beloved prophet. can any one provide a reference, i cannot comment as i have never heard of any such ayats before, so before seeing can't accept or reject them.
I know where you are coming from. This is not our tradition to curse others
How can Hazrat Umar curse his father in law (hazrat Ali)???
I have yet to see a sunni who has ill feelings for the family of the holy prophet and if someone does he will be answerable to god
Hazrat Ayesha was the mother of the ummat and if someone has doubt on her character he is committing a major sin
How can Hazrat Umar curse his father in law (hazrat Ali)???
I didn't know that both these Hazrat are related to each other (i.e. son in law / father in law) Do you know the Hazrat Ali's daughter who was under Hazrat Umar Nikkah ?
Umm e Kulthum was the daughter of Hazrat Ali & Hazrat Fatima evidence shows that the marriage of Hz Umm Kulthum and Hz Umar
took place in the year 17 Hijri when Umm Kulthum was 5 or 4 years of age.
This would put her date of birth to 12 or 13 Hijri.
For reference
- History of Abul Fida, vol I p 171
- al Farooq by Shibli Numani, vol II p 539
Historical evidences show that Hazrat Fatima ( May Allah bless her )
passed away 6 month after the demise of his father, and thus her date of
death was in the year 11 Hijri, and that Umm Kulthum were born in the
year 9 Hijri.
Then how is it possible for Umm Kulthum to be born after the death of Hazrat Fatima if she was married to Hz Omar in the
year 17 Hijri at an age of 4 or 5 years, that would put the date of birth as 12 or 13 Hijri, which is long after the death of her mother?
For those who claim that such marriage happened; kindly answer the
*following questions *-
What was the age of Hazrat Omar at the time of the marriage ?
When Hazrat Omar died what was the age of Hazrat Umm Kulthum ?
Could you briefly state the names of the wives of Hazrat Omar?
Could you assert to the truthfulness of the character of the person who narrated this story ? ( I am talking about Zubair bin Bakar ) ?
Do you know how many children were born of Hazrat Umm Kulthum
with the marriage to Hazrat Omar ?
If I am talking ilogically then bro sorry so say you are also not on track as well
Hazrat Asiya is considered to be one of four great, noble, and pious women in Islam. In the Qur'an, she was the wife of the Pharaoh and was the one who adopted Moses after he was found floating in the Nile River. According to the Prophet Mohammed, she will be among the first women to enter the Paradise as she accepted Moses' monotheism over the Pharaoh's beliefs.
Does Pharosh was pure? But according to Hadeez of Rasool Allah Hazrat Asiya was pure.
Similarly in another scenario we can discuss the wife of Prophet Noah she was also not Prophet’s faithful so what it does mean Prophet Noah was not pure?
For highlighed in red , My Advice for you to read the respectful book in Ahle Sunna waal jumat (Bhihisht Zewer) by Moulana Ashraf Thanvi. We you will find that "In this universe there are three great womans 2. Mother of Mosa (as) 2. Mother of Hazrat Essa (as) 3. Hazrat Fatima (as).
Furhter litrature:
(1) Hazrat Aisha (RA) says: "I have never seen anyone whose habit, character and the manner of speech were as similar to the Prophet (pbuh) as Fatimah's ".
(2) Ibn Abbas said : ' Aisha entered the house while the Messenegr of Allah was kissing Fatima ( A.S. ), so she said : ' Do you love her, O Messenger of Allah ? '
He replied : ' Indeed, by Allah if you knew the extent of my love for her, your love would increase for her. When I was in the forth heaven ... that I found these dates softer than butter, more pleasent than musk and sweeter than honey. So when I descended to earth, I came unto Khadija and she bore Fatima. Thus Fatima is a human huri, whenever I long for paradise I smell her.
Now Quran: Allah is the light of the heavens and the earth; a likeness of His light is as a niche in which is a lamp, the lamp is in a glass .... 25 : 35
Ibn al Maghazli al Shafi'i has related that the niche means Hazrat Fatima ( as ), the lamp means Hasan ( as ) and Hussain ( as ) .....
More Ahle Sunnat waal Jumat Islamic Litrature:
Tafseer Durre Mansoor ( Volume 4 page 177 ) It is Allah's wish to remove all blemish from you, O Ahl al Bayt, and purify you with a perfect purification. 33 : 33 ] Al Tirmizi, Ibn Manthoor, Al Hakim, Ibn Mardawaih and Al Bayhaqi in his Sunan, all recorded the report of Umme Salemah, wife of the Prophet ( saw ) in which she said :
Im my own house the Quranic verse : Certainly God wants to keep away all abominitions from you .... Ali Fatima, Al Hassan and Al Hussein were at my house. The messenger of God covered them with a garment and then said : These are the members of my House. God keep away abomination from them and make them pure and spotless. Sahih al Tirmizi, Volume 5 page 328 Hadith no. 3875
And whoever disputes with thee concerning him after the inspired knowledge which has been given untoo thee, tell him : ' Come, let us call our sons and your sons; our women and your women; and ourselves and yourselves; then let us pray and invoke Allah's curse upon those who lie. 3 : 61 ] When the above verse came down ( at the time of debate between the Messenger and the Christians from Najran ), the Messenger of God called upon Ali, Fatima, Hasan and Hussein and said : God, these are the members of my family.
Sahih Muslim Volume 15 page 176
I think Moulna Ashraf Thanvi knows better then you. If you have still doubt that please start research and gave up to listen others where they cant provide athentic book and references.
For reference
- History of Abul Fida, vol I p 171
- al Farooq by Shibli Numani, vol II p 539
Historical evidences show that Hazrat Fatima ( May Allah bless her )
passed away 6 month after the demise of his father, and thus her date of
death was in the year 11 Hijri, and that Umm Kulthum were born in the
year 9 Hijri.
Then how is it possible for Umm Kulthum to be born after the death of Hazrat Fatima if she was married to Hz Omar in the
year 17 Hijri at an age of 4 or 5 years, that would put the date of birth as 12 or 13 Hijri, which is long after the death of her mother?
For those who claim that such marriage happened; kindly answer the
*following questions *-
What was the age of Hazrat Omar at the time of the marriage ?
When Hazrat Omar died what was the age of Hazrat Umm Kulthum ?
Could you briefly state the names of the wives of Hazrat Omar?
Could you assert to the truthfulness of the character of the person who narrated this story ? ( I am talking about Zubair bin Bakar ) ?
Do you know how many children were born of Hazrat Umm Kulthum
with the marriage to Hazrat Omar ?
Who was this Umm Kulthum then ?
SALAM DEAR BROTHER AND SISTERS:
In Mishkat Shareef, it is reported that when Abubakr and Umar asked the holy Prophet[saww] for his daughter, Lady Fatima[sa]'s hand the Prophet[saww] replied she is too young to marry. If this is correct then** think rationally over the fact that, Umme Kulthum[sa] whose mother was too young to marry these people, marries these same personalities, does this make sense*?
Secondly, Umer's daughter, Hafsa was a wife of Prophet Muhammad. This makes Hafsa the Step-mother of Hz Fatima and the Step-Grandmother of UmmeKalthum, the daughter of Ali and Fatima. Do you know what this means? **It makes Umer the Step-Great Grandfather of UmmeKalthum. The sunnis claim the daughter of Ali married her Great Grandfather*? Is such sort of marriage allowed in Islam, please prove from the Quran.
Umm Kulthum was the daughter of Ali Ibne Abi Talib. Sunni Historical evidence shows that the marriage of Umm Kulthum and Umar took place in the year 17 Hijri when Umm Kulthum was 5 or 4 years of age. This would put her date of birth to 12 or 13 Hijri.History of Abul Fida, vol I p 171 - al Farooq by Shibli Numani, vol II p 539
Historical evidences show that Hazrat Fatima ( May Allah bless her ) passed away 6 month after the demise of his father, and thus her date of death was in the year 11 Hijri, and that Umm Kulthum, daughter of Ali was born in the year 9 Hijri. Sahih al-Bukhari, Arabic-English Version, Tardition 5.546 - Anwarul Hussania, v3, p39
Then how is it possible for Umm Kulthum to be born after the death of Hazrat Fatima (as) if the Sunnis claim that she was married to Omar in the year 17 Hijri at an age of 4 or 5 years, that would put the date of birth as 12 or 13 Hijri, which is long after the death of her mother?!
Sunni historical evidence shows that Umm Kulthum (the so-called wife of Umar) died before 50 Hijri, since Imam Hasan (as), Abdullah ibn Umar and Sa'ad bin Abi Waqs offered the funeral prayers. Also it is worthy to note that Imam Hasan (as) was martyred in the year 50 Hijri. Al Istiab by Ibn Abdul Barr Volume 2 page 795 - Tareekhe Khamees vol II p 318 - History of al-Tabri vol 12 p 15
But then other references show that Hazrat Umm Kulthum ( Blessings on her, the daughter of Imam Ali and Fatima Az Zahra ) were present in Kerballa during the year 61 Hijri. Long after the incident of Kerballa Hazrat Zaineb binte Ali ( blessings on her ) died, then it was that Hazrat Abdullah bin Jafer Tayyar were married to Hazrat Umm Kulthum binte Ali (blessings on her ).
There is no contradiction to the fact that before Umm Kulthum binte Ali (blessings on her), Hazrat Zaineb ( blessings on her ) were married to Abdullah bin Jafer ( blessings on him ). Also it is true that till the year 61 Hijri ( incident of Kerballa ) Hazrat Zaineb were alive, and that Umm Kulthum binte Ali were married after the year 61 Hijri to Hazrat Abdullah bin Jafer.
But where does the contradiction lie ? With respect to the first references, the lady married to Omar by the name Umm Kulthum died in the year before 50 Hijri, as Imam Hasan ( as ) had offered her funeral prayers. This leaves us to believe that the Umm Kulthum married to Omar were in fact some other lady and NOT the daughter of Imam Ali (as). Roza tul Ihbab Volume 3 page 585 - Al Bidayah wa al-Nihayah - Tareekhe Khamees Volume 3 page 318
The Sunni scholar Ibn Qutaybah in his book **"al Maarif** " mentioned that all the daughters of Imam Ali(as) were married to the sons of Aqeel and Abbas with a few exceptions, but he did NOT mention the claim that Umm Kulthum (May Allah bless her) were married to Omar. The exceptions were for Ummul Hasan binte Saeed and Fatima. al-Maarif, Ibn Qutaybah, p 80
For those who claim that such marriage happened; kindly answer the following questions.
What was the age for Omar at the time of the marriage ? When Omar died what was the age of Umm Kulthum ? Could you briefly state the names of the wives of Omar? Could you assert to the truthfulness of the character of the person who narrated this story ? ( I am talking about Zubair bin Bakar ) ? Do you know how many children were born of Umm Kulthum with the marriage to Omar ? Who was this Umm Kulthum then ?
It would be appropriate to mention the other wives of Omar at this juncture, not only during his pagan days but also after embracing Islam.
His first wife was Zainab sister of Uthman b. Mazun. His second wife was Qariba, daughter of Ibn Umait ul Makzami, and sister of the Holy Prophet's ( saw ) wife Umm Salma ( May Allah be pleased with her ). She was divorced in 6 A.H after the conclusion of the Truce of Hudaibiya. His third wife was Malaika, daughter of Jarul al Khuzai, who was also called Umm Kulthum, also she did not embrace Islam and was divorced in 6 A.H. On arrival at Medinah he married Jamila, daughter of Asim b. Thabit who was high placed Ansari and had fought at Badr. Jamila first name was Asia which the Holy Prophet ( saw ) changed to Jamila on her conversion to Islam. Omar divorced her also for some unknown reason. Omar also had other wives namely, Umm Hakim, daughter of al Harith b. Hisham al Makhzumi, Fukhia Yamania and Atika, daughter of Zaid b. Amr b. Nafil. Al Faruq - Volume II by Shibli Numani English Translation
... *There was another Umm Kulthum who had been his wife but Historians make a clear distinction between the two *...
**Now I would like to pose the following questions: **Who is this other Umm Kulthum that has been mentioned in the historical references ? Is she the same Umm Kulthum that was divorced ( Malaika the third wife ) in 6 A.H ? We also know that there were ' two ' Umm Kulthum's as Shibli Numani writes above, correct ? Or is she the same Umm Kulthum that is the daughter of Abu Bakr ? If yes then why doesn't the author point out so ? What is the clear distinction then ?
Here is the answer by from the historical documents: After the death of Abu Bakr a daughter was born to him that was named Umm Kulthum. Please refer to the following Sunni references to confirm this fact. History of al-Tabari Volume 3 page 50, Printed in Egypt - Tareekhe Kamil Volume 3 page 121, Printed in Egypt - Tareekhe Khamees Volume 2 page 267, Printed in Egypt - Al-Isaba, by Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani, Volume 3 page 27
Please also do bear in mind that Abu Bakr died in the year 13 A.H **as mentioned in the following Sunni book of reference. **History of the Caliphs by Jalal al-Din al-Suyuti, page 551
This would imply that the original claim made by the first references I gave for the age of Umm Kulthum at the time of marriage of 4 or 5 years would stand correct. Since for Umm Kulthum binte Abu Bakr to be born in 13 A.H and married in 17 A.H would give her an age of 4 years.
Since Aisha was the elder sister of Umm Kulthum binte Abu Bakr, for this reason Omar had sent for Umm Kulthum hand's to Aisha, and Aisha had accepted this. Tareekhe Khamees Volume 2 page 267 - Tareekhe Kamil Volume 3 page 21 - Al Istiab by Ibn Abdul Barr Volume 2 page 795
This leaves us no doubt to believe that Umm Kulthum who was the daughter of Abu Bakr was married to Omar and NOT Umm Kulthum the daugher of Imam Ali (AS) !!!