No Punjabi please! We are Muslim Punjabis

[mahool]

Re: No Punjabi please! We are Muslim Punjabis

@Shak

Now you have lost me like EB does with the shero shairi @ehsan

Kawwa chal Hans ki chal aur apni bhi bhool giya.

He that apes others will never be himself.

[muqawwee123]

Re: No Punjabi please! We are Muslim Punjabis

@mahool

Kuwwa kuwway jesi chal chaly.. hans banny ki koshish na karay… :cobra:

BTW, in the main article reference to Arabic is for example purpose (there can be Jew Arab, Christian Arab and Muslim Arab). The writer is not saying that Pakistanis are using Arabic excessively and nor he is talking about those who wear Jubba and Abaya to show their piety.

He is referring to mentality that Urdu is the refined version of local languages ( I hate this term local language, but thats how people now refer these langauges) and in the presence of refined version, there is no need to use old and outdated version.

[ehsan]

Re: No Punjabi please! We are Muslim Punjabis

@muqawwee123

Writer says:

Language should not be shunned to prove patriotism or religiosity . Its neither required by patriotism nor by religion.

Do you agree?

I fully agree and one more thing Punjabis feel ashamed and embarrassed to speak in Punjabi even in UK. I speak punjabi and am proud of my language.

[mahool]

Re: No Punjabi please! We are Muslim Punjabis

@Iconoclast @Dhoti_Main_Dhamaka @Microbian @SID_NY

[Monk]

Re: No Punjabi please! We are Muslim Punjabis

@mahool

@Iconoclast @Dhoti Main Dhamaka @Microbian @SID_NY

put my name with @
so I can get alert and participate in the thread.

shukria

[Iconoclast]

Re: No Punjabi please! We are Muslim Punjabis

The very same burger bachey who talk about culture so much are the ones who don’t speak Punjabi and are not aware of their traditions.

[Ethan_Hunt]

Re: No Punjabi please! We are Muslim Punjabis

@Shak

Ofcourse its a choice esp the clothing. But suddenly as soon as anyone gets religious out goes the shalwar kameez and in comes the Arab dress. Same for the language, what happened to ‘yar’ or ‘salam’ or ‘shukria’, why must it all be Arabised. And I find it as cringing as Pakistanis in Pakistan acting all Westerny which makes a mockery of our culture ie the fake angreezi accent etc or ulti seedhi topiyaan to act black. We have a brilliant culture with vastly diverse traditions, I don’t like how its being eroded. In places like UK if us desis living there won’t hold onto something Pakistani then I don’t think our future generations would either.

Also what I am saying is due to my own personal experiences I should add, I did not mean to generalise.

I see where you’re coming from and I agree. ayyyy

[muqawwee123]

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@ehsan

I fully agree and one more thing Punjabis feel ashamed and embarrassed to speak in Punjabi even in UK. I speak punjabi and am proud of my language.

If you see the comments on dawn’s page (under the article) you will see drastic difference from Indian Punjabi and Pakistan Punjabi.

Pakistan Punjabi view:

Akil Akhtar
about 17 hours ago

What a load of rubbish just to demonise Punjab. Punjabis mostly speak Urdu not because it is the language of Sikhs etc but because they think speaking Urdu or English means they are more sophisticated. I have not seen anyone speaking Arabic…

raheem
about 3 hours ago

first lets decide pakistan is muslim nation. We must agree the fact that, All must read write and speak only Urdu and Arabic. No other languges should be taught. If people of pakistan wish to democracy then its a matter of how many langugaes can we talk.

Indian Punjabi View:

Rajni
about 3 hours ago

Pakistan not having its own culture and roots imports the culture, practices, ideology from Saudi Arabia.
Don’t worry we in Indian Punjab are keeping Punjabi not only alive but thriving.
Assi haige hain naa, fikar naa karo.

j.s.mongia
about 3 hours ago

i am proud 2b sikh and punjabi.vi speak only punjabi.punjabi is always with JI.

[Monk]

Re: No Punjabi please! We are Muslim Punjabis

*urdu meen
hy kia kaha kaon tha hoga kitna etc

ky elawa taqreeban sary alfaz arabic say musta’arliey gey heen. *

[Shak]

Re: No Punjabi please! We are Muslim Punjabis

@Iconoclast

The very same burger bachey who talk about culture so much are the ones who don’t speak Punjabi and are not aware of their traditions.

Reminds me of my best friend here at Uni. Even tho we could speak proper English we decided there was no need to if we know Punjabi and Urdu, and after that that was the only way we communicated. And the joy I get from conversing in Urdu or Punjabi with someone can never be replicated by English. Though I understand if English was someone’s first language

[LP]

Re: No Punjabi please! We are Muslim Punjabis

@muqawwee123

We are talking of locals adapting Arab Culture and language. While some phrases like ‘MashaAllah’, ‘InsAllah’, etc is alright, but shukran and mabrook is not done IMO.

Correct me if I’m wrong that foreigners are not allowed to wear Arabic dress in KSA. Further, Arabic dress like Jubba is suitable for desert. One should follow the environment i.e. weather etc while adapting a particular dress from particular culture.

The discussion here was adapting Urdu to prove patriotism or religiosity. One nation one language concept.

Of course foreigners can wear Arab dress.

Adapting urdu to prove patriotism:hmmm: It would be a shame if one didn’t know the mother tongue. But I don’t think it’s a measure of patriotism or the lack of it.

[Iconoclast]

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@Shak

Reminds me of my best friend here at Uni. Even tho we could speak proper English we decided there was no need to if we know Punjabi and Urdu, and after that that was the only way we communicated. And the joy I get from conversing in Urdu or Punjabi with someone can never be replicated by English. Though I understand if English was someone’s first language

All of my Punjabi colleagues speak Punjabi with me, so much so that one Indian asked, do all Pakistanis speak Punjabi! Some of the younger ones specially girls do roll eyes.

[muqawwee123]

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@Monk

*urdu meen
hy kia kaha kaon tha hoga kitna etc

ky elawa taqreeban sary alfaz arabic say musta’arliey gey heen. *

Go read nasir Kazmi and Ibne Insha. Even Parveen Shakir’s ‘Gori Karat Singhar’ proves a totally different story.

Zehra Nigah’s Nazm also says something totally different.

http://www.paklinks.com/gs/intikhaab/628595-dar-deewar-dareeche-aangan.html

[Monk]

Re: No Punjabi please! We are Muslim Punjabis

@muqawwee123

Go read nasir Kazmi and Ibne Insha. Even Parveen Shakir’s ‘Gori Karat Singhar’ proves a totally different story.

I am learning arabic. So… I actually know… like my self.

[LP]

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I thank God you all use English here for us non punjabis:D

[Iconoclast]

Re: No Punjabi please! We are Muslim Punjabis

@Shak

Ofcourse its a choice esp the clothing. But suddenly as soon as anyone gets religious out goes the shalwar kameez and in comes the Arab dress. Same for the language, what happened to ‘yar’ or ‘salam’ or ‘shukria’, why must it all be Arabised. And I find it as cringing as Pakistanis in Pakistan acting all Westerny which makes a mockery of our culture ie the fake angreezi accent etc or ulti seedhi topiyaan to act black. We have a brilliant culture with vastly diverse traditions, I don’t like how its being eroded. In places like UK if us desis living there won’t hold onto something Pakistani then I don’t think our future generations would either.

Also what I am saying is due to my own personal experiences I should add, I did not mean to generalise.

Funny enough the hardest core religious jihadi Arabs wear Shalwar Qameez, a reminder of Afghans.

[muqawwee123]

Re: No Punjabi please! We are Muslim Punjabis

@Monk

I am learning arabic. So… I actually know… like my self.

There is a lobby which thinks that Urdu got more Persian words than Arabic and they are trying to Arabinise Urdu again, but to their dismay English is more stronger nowadays.

[Shak]

Re: No Punjabi please! We are Muslim Punjabis

@Iconoclast

Funny enough the hardest core religious jihadi Arabs wear Shalwar Qameez, a reminder of Afghans.

Sorry, I should add my post was specific to the UK but you’re right too ofcourse. All the Taliban jihadis wear the shalwar kameez, don’t think I have seen any of them wearing anything Arabic.

[Monk]

Re: No Punjabi please! We are Muslim Punjabis

perhaps…
but I wanted to learn arabic.. glad I knew urdu.. it was like I was 70% trained already…
No more complain urdu being our national language …

We can speak with indians..
We can learn arabic…
No one could have come up with a better language in that area for people like us…

[Shak]

Re: No Punjabi please! We are Muslim Punjabis

@Monk

perhaps…
but I wanted to learn arabic.. glad I knew urdu.. it was like I was 70% trained already…
No more complain urdu being our national language …

We can speak with indians..
We can learn arabic…
No one could have come with a better language in that area for people like us…

I know some Arab gaaliyaan, seekhni hain?