No proof of India's Baloch link: US

India provided proof to the international community about Pak involvement in 26/11 and they forced the Pak govt to act. If Pak is so sure about Indian involvement in Balochistan, why doesn’t it share the proof with US/UK/international community ?

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No proof of India’s Baloch link: US

Washington: US Special Representative for Afghanistan and Pakistan Richard Holbrooke said on Thursday that Pakistani leaders brought up the issue of India’s alleged involvement in Balochistan, but did not give any credible evidence to support their claim.

“I would be misleading, if I said it didn’t come up,” Holbrooke told State Department Press Corps when asked to comment on the meetings he had with Pakistani leaders during his last week’s visit to that country.

Asked if Pakistan has provided him with any “credible evidence of India’s involvement in Balochistan”, he said: “The narrow answer to your question is no.” However, he did not elaborate any further.

He also reiterated that Kashmir is outside his ability to discuss.

Responding to questions, Holbrooke said there is no difference with India on the issue of Pakistan and Afghanistan.

“You know, India was the first country in the world I was ever aware of. I have a very special feeling for it. And if there’s a rift, you have to ask the Indians. I didn’t see any rift,” the US envoy said.

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Manmohan accepted in parliament he was nto given ay dossier but then question remains why like an idiot he added baluchistan in joint statement.. let us face it manmohan singh has brought harm to our case .. problme is he need not worry about public opinion since eh is a clerk of sonai gandhi and if things get hot sonia gandhi disowns it .. we got some sick setup in india right now accountability centre and power centre doesn't match and all this embarassment is result fo that..

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India got the government it deserved :snooty: People cared more about Rahul Gandhi sleeping in a dalit’s home than actual issues.

Anyways, coming back to the topic, I agree that Manmohan Singh goofed up by agreeing to include Balochistan in the joint statement. Pak has been trying to connect India to Balochistan for a long time, and he just played in their hands. No wonder Gilani came out in support of Manmohan Singh’s speech to the Indian parliament justifying the joint statement. Now thats called brothers in arms :slight_smile:

Fortunately, no one else (including the US) buys this BS…

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Manmohan never answered question on baluchistan the usual divisonary tactics is being played by repeating the sam trite remakr which noone disagrres with .. Peace is the only way forward we can;t risk war.. Heck everyone agrees that manmohan but please explain what is baluchistan doing in joint statment if we are to belive no dossier was given to you..

Mani shankar Aiyar another idiot says baluchistan doesn;t concern india it's there just because geelnai wanted .. so why not put MAoist threat to idia too there as long as we are detailing the problmes in respective countries sans its corelation with each other..
Yes we got the govt we deserved that's the beauty of democray..

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A Pakistani minister has said that the Pakistani government has given proves to the Indian and Afghan governments regarding their direct involvement in promoting insurgency in southwest Pakistan’s Balochistan. Speaking at the Senate on Friday, Pakistani Interior Minister Rehman Malik said the government for the first time has taken the issue on the record with the Indian government in this regard.

He said that he himself held a meeting with Afghan President Hamid Karzai in Kabul and provided him proves regarding training camps in Afghanistan where Balochi insurgents are being provided training.

He said Karzai assured to close down these camps which are being run by the Indian intelligence agencies on their soil.

Malik informed the House that President Karzai also agreed to put in place three biometric check posts on the Pak-Afghan border by the first week of August.

The minister, referring the Balochistan issue, said the province and its people have been badly ignored by the previous regimes and the present government is committed to giving them their rights with a view to remove their grievances.

He said the government has taken on board all political leaders of the province to move forward for resolving issues.

The interior minister said all fourteen points recommended by the parliamentary security committee to improve law and order situation in the country are being implemented in letter and spirit.

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2009-07/...nt_11767933.htm

Thsi Pakistani minister needs to get his facts checked before he shoots of like that … here is tha Pakistani PM … his boss … saying …

The issue was discussed between the two prime ministers,’ Gilani said, adding that ‘we will give them information (on Balochistan) once the dialogue starts.’

DAWN.COM | Pakistan | Delay in composite dialogue to benefit terrorists: PM Gilani

Americans also said that there is no proof that ISI was involved in Mumbai attacks, do you believe that statement is correct or NOT???

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^ Thats a rhetorical question now, given that Pakistan itself & USA have accepted/acknowledged LeT involvement in 26/11.

Whether ISI is involved or not is just semantics. LeT is ISI's creation, and still controlled by ISI.

You need to read this again as well i guess:

•In the Sri Lankan cricket team case, Indian operatives crossed the border from Indian to join other Indian-origin or Indian-trained terrorists who traveled all the way from Afghanistan to Lahore

•Indian terrorism training bases, intelligence outposts and personnel in Afghanistan identified

•In some cases, Indian intelligence was indirectly supporting attacks against US soldiers in Afghanistan in order to worsen Pak-US military relations

•India’s friends, advocates and lobbyists in Washington stunned

Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh was stunned when Pakistani Prime Minister Yousaf Reza Gilani handed him a dossier containing photographs of Brahamdagh Bugti and other terrorists meeting Indian agents not only in Afghanistan but also during their visits to India and the names of the Indian officials who met them. This was part of more evidence about India’s involvement in recruiting, training, financing and arming terrorists in Afghanistan and sending them to Pakistan. India’s links to the attack on the Sri Lanka cricket team in Lahore and other high profile terrorism cases have been established, shocking even Indian’s many advocates in Washington. Mr. Gilani gave this surprise to the Indians behind closed doors. Now India fears that Pakistan would use this meeting to expose Indian connections with two anti-Pakistan terrorist leaders and their foreign-funded terror armies: Brahamdagh Bugti and his BLA [Balochistan Liberation Army] and Baitullah Mehsud’s Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan, both being supported from bases in US-controlled Afghanistan.

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan—ISI Chief Shuja Pasha has summoned his Indian Counterpart, K C Verma for a meeting through the Indian defense attaché in the Indian High Commission in Islamabad.

The Indian government has not responded to ISI’s request yet, and is reportedly assessing the implications of a possible meeting carefully.

After the July 16 Sharm el-Sheikh joint statement between India and Pakistan, India fears that Pakistan would use this meeting as a forum to expose Indian connections with two terror leaders and their foreign-funded terror armies: Brahamdagh Bugti and his BLA [Balochistan Liberation Army] and Baitullah Mehsud’sTehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan.

Pakistan has piles of evidence against Indian consulates in Afghanistan being used to fund terrorism in Pakistan through the TTP as well as the terrorists who claim to be self-styled representatives of Pakistan’s Baloch vast Baloch heritage.

Pakistan’s DAWN reports that a dossier containing proof of India’s involvement in “subversive activities” in Pakistan was handed over by Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani to his Indian counterpart Manmohan Singh during their meeting at Sharm el-Sheikh last week.

The evidence has also been shared with the US and Afghanistan, with Kabul being asked to prevent the use of its territory for disruptive activities against Pakistan.

“Although the information given to India is being kept highly secret, broad outlines of the dossier available with Dawn reveal details of Indian contacts with those involved in attacks on the Sri Lankan cricket team and the Manawan police station,” the newspaper said.

“Operatives of RAW who remained in touch with the perpetrators of the attacks have been identified and proof of their interaction has been attached,” it added.

A description of Indian arms and explosives used in the attack on the Sri Lankan team has been made part of the dossier, besides which the names and particulars of the perpetrators, who illegally entered Pakistan from India and joined their accomplices who had reached Lahore from Waziristan, have been mentioned, the report said.

The dossier also mentions an Indian-funded training camp near Kandahar where terrorists claiming to represent Pakistan’s Balochistan, particularly supporters of politician-turned-terrorist Akbar Bugti, were being trained and provided arms for sabotage activities in the Pakistani province. The elder Bugti was involved in recruiting and sending young Pakistanis from Balochistan to become terrorists against their own homeland.

Dawn quoted its sources as saying that Manmohan Singh had agreed to “look into Pakistani claims” and to take “corrective action” if proven. He is said to have assured Mr. Gilani that India is against interference in other countries and Pakistan’s stability was important for them.

BLA was the name that the former KGB and the Indian intelligence gave to Pakistani communist recruits who were paid to destabilize Pakistan during the 1960s, ‘70s and ‘80s, when the Soviet Union controlled Afghanistan. The BLA died with the end of the Cold War and the Soviet withdrawal from Afghanistan, but has been revived by the Indians after US occupied Afghanistan.

Here is what Christine Fair of RAND Corporation has said earlier this year about what the Indian consulates are up to in Afghanistan and Iran:

“I think it would be a mistake to completely disregard Pakistan’s regional perceptions due to doubts about Indian competence in executing covert operations. That misses the point entirely. And I think it is unfair to dismiss the notion that Pakistan’s apprehensions about Afghanistan stem in part from its security competition with India. Having visited the Indian mission in Zahedan, Iran, I can assure you they are not issuing visas as the main activity! Moreover, India has run operations from its mission in Mazar (through which it supported the Northern Alliance) and is likely doing so from the other consulates it has reopened in Jalalabad and Qandahar along the border. Indian officials have told me privately that they are pumping money into Baluchistan. Kabul has encouraged India to engage in provocative activities such as using the Border Roads Organization to build sensitive parts of the Ring Road and use the Indo-Tibetan police force for security. It is also building schools on a sensitive part of the border in Kunar–across from Bajaur. Kabul’s motivations for encouraging these activities are as obvious as India’s interest in engaging in them. Even if by some act of miraculous diplomacy the territorial issues were to be resolved, Pakistan would remain an insecure state. Given the realities of the subcontinent (e.g., India’s rise and its more effective foreign relations with all of Pakistan’s near and far neighbors), these fears are bound to grow, not lessen. This suggests that without some means of compelling Pakistan to abandon its reliance upon militancy, it will become ever more interested in using it — and the militants will likely continue to proliferate beyond Pakistan’s control.”

The Foreign Policy magazine also recently confirmed the Indians were neck deep in supporting the TTP in Pakistan:

While the U.S. media has frequently reported on Pakistani ties to jihadi elements launching attacks in Afghanistan, it has less often mentioned that India supports insurgent forces attacking Pakistan. “The Indians are up to their necks in supporting the Taliban against the Pakistani government in Afghanistan and Pakistan,” a former intelligence official who served in both countries said. “The same anti-Pakistani forces in Afghanistan also shooting at American soldiers are getting support from India. India should close its diplomatic establishments in Afghanistan and get the Christ out of there.”

“India is using Afghan soil to destabilize Pakistan and Afghan security agencies are unable to stop Indian intervention due to absence of centralized government mechanism”, said Afghan Government’s Advisor, Ehsanullah Aryanzai on the sidelines of Pak-Afgan Parliamentary Jirga at a Pakistani hotel on April 2, 2009.

The Americans – under heavy pressure in Afghanistan – have started to realize they cannot save face in Afghanistan unless Pakistan’s legitimate concerns with regards to Indian sponsored terrorism are addressed immediately.

A Senior US diplomat William Burns gave Indian officials a terse directive last month, asking them to ’shut down Indian consulates in Afghanistan, reduce presence in Kabul and stop sending terrorists across the Durand Line.’ The message was supplemented with a letter from the American President Barack Obama to Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh with a similar message.

Whether RAW’s K. C. Verma takes up ISI chief Shuja Pasha’s offer of a one-on-one or not, Pakistan should increase the pressure on the US by declaring neutrality in Afghanistan and block the supply of American and NATO weapons through its soil unless the United States pays heed to its Pakistani ally’s security interests in the region

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India has provided conclusive proof to not just Pak but also to US/UK about Pak involvement in 26/11. The resulting pressure on Pak has forced it to act against the perpetrators.

If Pakistan is so confident of India’s involvement in Balochistan and other terrorist activities in Pak, pls provide proof to the international community. What better way to call India’s bluff ? :snooty:

If you cannot do that then its better to STFU !!

I didn't ask you who created LeT (Indian miliatary officers have also been caught training HINDU terrorists by your own media) so i will ask you the same question again, do you believe ISI was involved in Mumbai attack or NOT????

LeT was involved in 26/11 and ISI controls LeT. That should answer your question...

Pee in USA, garbage is coming from your dirty mouth so we know who should STFU here.
I am not talking about LeT here, we are talking about ISI.

But but but USA said there was no proof of ISI's involvement?????

US also said there is proof of Pak based terrorist organizations (LeT specifically), something which was initially denied by Pak. Some idiots are still denying that Kasab is Pakistani.

And since you are so keen on discussing this pls point out when India said that ISI was involved in 26/11 and when USA said that it was not. And pls quote official statements and not some media hypothesis.

And maybe then we could come back to discussing Balochistan...

This is written by a journalist .... after Pakistani PM's statement ... you can put all this in a garbage bag .... read his lips ... "information" WILL be given .... but then you berlive what you want to .... that is your "democratic" right

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So P in USA, Indians should stop acting like HOLY cows. RAW is playing games in India and there is absolutely no doubt about it.

Manmohan met once with Pakistani PM and hindu extremists like you made a huge deal out of it as if the whole PAKISTAN had carried out an attack on India. If a party like BJP wasn't sitting in parliament, Manmohan would have felt much easier to start the peace process.
In the end, you should ask yourself if Manmohan is such a kid that he accepted whatever Gilani said about Balochistan????There must have been some kind of proof otherwise he wouldn't have come out and given joint statement.

As if you don't know????
What do you think is wrong??? Indian saying ISI was involved or Americans saying there is no proof????

If you had bothered to read what Manmohan Singh had said about the meeting you would have not got into this position .... he said that when Gilani raised the question of baluchistan .... India said they had nothing to hide so we can talk about it ..... a very statesman like attitude from Indian PM ... but some people in Pakistan have started 'selling" stories about the "dossier" ....

After Pakistani PM's statement ..... those should be put to rest .... but then you can continue with it .... after all you have to justify some of your own actions :D

‘Both prime ministers recognise that dialogue is the only way forward.Action on terrorism should not be linked to the composite dialogue process and these should not be bracketed.’

Why this change all of a sudden???Why was Manmohan criticised for making joint statements about Balochistan??? Was there any pressure????
I am sure you believe that Indians are so peace loving that they took a step to have peace talks even though Pakistan is sending terrorists across the border.