No Namaz for Transexual

I didnt want to put this up in the religion forum, I want to know what the average Joe thinks, from a religious perspective as well humanity.


SURI: Syed Rehan Firdous was not allowed to offer namaz as clerics did not permit him into the prayer room. His fault? He was a woman earlier. In June 2006, Rehana Firdous underwent a surgery and became Syed Rehan Firdous.

A Sanskrit graduate from Burdwan Raj College, he faced no difficulty in continuing with his job of a para teacher at his village high school in Bramhankhanda, Birbhum, after his sexual transformation.

But trouble began when Firdous went to offer namaz at the local idgah. Clerics would not allow him to enter the prayer room. Rehan did not give up though. He sought police protection to establish his right. But he, along with his family, is getting threats from some villagers.

"Last year, soon after my operation and change of sex, I had offered the Eid namaz along with men. This year though, a small section of villagers discussed the matter at the village mosque and decided against allowing me to offer namaz along with men. Last night, bombs were hurled near my house. I have informed police and requested them to provide me security during the Eid prayers,"Firdous said on Saturday.

But villagers who support him are not small in number either. Villagers are now clearly divided over the issue.
The circle inspector of Nanoor visited Firdous’ house on Friday afternoon. On Saturday, district intelligence branch officials, too, inquired from Firdous about the threat.

“To me, it is a fight to establish my right as a man,” he asserted. “If they prevent me from reading namaz today, in future they would also deny my identity as a man. We, the transsexuals, are facing an identity crisis.”

“After consulting religious scripts, the mufti has told us that Firdous is not a normal man. If he and his supporters come to read namaz, we will go to the idgah only after they leave,” said Golam Mustafa, a village chief, adding that Firdous’ reading of namaz is najaez (illegitimate).

“Islam does not bar women from reading namaz. The prophet himself wanted women to do so. I think the clerics often misinterpret the religious instruction mentioned in the Hadis,” said Mohammad Sirajul Islam, senior teacher of philosophy and religion at Visva-Bharati.

“I had sent police officers to his house. We will not tolerate any law and order problem in the name of religion. I have asked the concerned police station to provide him with police security during the prayer if necessary,” said Debashis Dhar, subdivisional police officer of Bolpur.

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lol thats funny.
muslims are silly :-)

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From a Sunni perspective, I think the mosque authorities were correct. No sunni scholar allows gender changing operations with the very small exception of being for the purposes of resolving the gender of the extremely small number of people born with both male and female sexual organs.

In other words, sunni scholars do not accept that someone who is born as being physically female can be changed into a man for religious purposes.

From the sound of the story this, this woman tried to pray amongst men, whereas Islam teaches that when women pray with men they should pray behind men. Given that congregational Eid prayer is an obligation only for men, and is optional for women, the mosque should not have to provide facilities for women should it choose to expend its resources on facilities for those who are obligated by God to use them (ie men).

It is also accepted in Islam that prayer is not valid unless done exactly as laid down in the sunnah. Therefore women's prayers are not valid if done whilst sitting amongst men; therefore Rehana Firdous, regardless of what name she chooses, cannot do her Eid prayers at the mosque if no facilities exist for her to pray behind the men.

The crux of the matter is that whilst secular law allows for the changing of gender, divine law does not. Rehana Firdous is still genetically female; she is still female in God's eyes (though not in the context of Indian law) ; and so Rehana Firdous cannot be treated any differently to other women for religious purposes.

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^^ regardless of method - she's a man now.
physically Rehan is a man...

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i doubt that the people stopping this person from praying looked at the details of his medical records to find out whether or not he was among the extremely small number of people that you refer to above.

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^^ I think its safe to assume that she wasn't. Sounds like she was leading a normal life.

And if that was the case dont you think She/he would have wanted to draw as little attention to herself as possible? Dont you think they would have wanted to lead a normal life?

why cause commotion- why not pray somewhere that they dont know all this?

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WHERE does it say WHY the operation was done. How do you KNOW it was an elective cosmetic surgery versus a surgery to amend a genetic abnormality?

I'm so SICK of this. Its one thing if people are up and having sex changes for casual reasons, but you have to understand that's not a majority of the population that does have sexual surgeries. At least not in India.

He/she should be allowed to pray in a mosque - period. You don't tell an infertile man to leave the grounds do you?

How did muslims resolve eunichs reading namaz in a mosque before? I mean, in the time of the Prophet? How did the Prophet deal with this scenario. Unless there was some direct order to keep their prayer place separate, there is NO RULE that women and eunichs can't be allowed to pray in a mosque.

Religious law also doesn't mention that its ok to have your gall bladder pulled out when you have gallstones, but we do it, don't we? The surgery to change sex is FINE as long as it is to amend a genetic abnormality, just like you would fix any other gender abnormality. We have the technology to allow these people to live normal sexual lives, and that's not something we should keep away from people.

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^^ 1 - he's not a woman anymore (why are we overlooking this?)
2-- if he is a woman then he should be praying behind the men -- nahee?

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Strong enough for a man, made for a woman.

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Again, what makes you think its "safe to assume" she wasn't? The article doesn't even mention reasons for surgery.

Just think about the sort that decide to have a sex change for fun. Would a person born into a muslim family that decided to have this surgery actually ADDRESS this situation with the clerics the way this person did, and would they make an issue out of not being able to pray at a mosque? If he/she is religious enough to make it to the mosque for prayer, then WHY can't we give them the benefit of the doubt?

Part of it is miseducation about sex change surgeries. Everyone thinks they're 99% done for fun.

Sex change issues are far more serious and deep. So many forms of genetic anomalies can give you mixed organs. You could look normal from the outside, and find out you're infertile because not every cell in your body is reading XX or XY as you'd think they should.

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agrred PCG -
but the point here wasn't why did the sex change happen. It did -- lets move on.
Is it right for him to pray in a mosque? humanity perspective vs religion

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If the person's gender has been sexually changed to X, and he/she is mentally conforming themselves to that gender X, then they need to pray accordingly.

So, if he's now a man physically and mentally, he needs to pray with men. Not behind men. Not with women. It doesn't matter if his parents raised him as a girl, because they didn't know any better. He went out of the ways to get the surgery done; its very possible mentally he's 100% male, and is attracted to women. In which case, it would be insulting to this guy and other women to put him in the ladies section, wouldn't it?

I say he should be allowed to pray where he is most comfortable, and since he considers himself a man, and physically he is now a man, he needs to pray with men.

Mosques are meant for everyone. Men, women, children, and anything in between. We are all God's creation, and we need to congregate together in our prayer at least once a week. This point has everything to do with both humanity and religion - I don't see the two being any different, as far as Islam is concerned. Islam is very humane. Muslims however, remain ignorant and unwilling to budge from their cultural issues. We have issues with sex changes, because anything relating to sex = "Oh ho buri baat, lets not talk about it". We don't take the time to understand what is involved in a sex change. Whether or not the sexual surgery is justified here is VERY important to determining where he/she should pray.

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^^ interesting

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i was just wondering , when we offer namaz-e-janaza , we have prayers for muslim man , woman , kid ! but is there any thing for transexuals? any specific prayers ?

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Its not separate dua but one which covers all

Allahummagh Fir Lihayyina Wa Mayyatina Wa Shaahidina Wa Gha'ibina Wa Sagirina Wa Kabirina Wa Zakarina Wa Unthana Allahuma man Ahyaytahu Minna Fa'ahyihi Alal Islam WaMan Tawaffaytahu Minna Fatawaffahu Alal Imaan

Transexuals are either Murd or Aurat in reality (whatever that reality is), so the Dua covers them too

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What a piece of BS

...I still dont get why all of a sudden people just try to be their judge...leave that for Allah Mian

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I think that thread should go to Soceity and Culture forum

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I don't know whether this person is interested in Namaz or proving some point.

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Thank God I am not a Sunni (or Shia for that matter).