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Thank God I am not a Sunni (or Shia for that matter).
ummmm are you trying to tell us something aj?
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btw solution is simple, the ppl who are stopping this person from praying at idgah, they should then have no problem if this person is chilling with women in the community right?
their choice, :)
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so u are saying u have no limitations?
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.. the day I forbid anyone from praying behind/with me.
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Modern day adherers of Islam are probably the only group in the world that forcefully tries to kick people OUT of their religion, rather than bring people IN and make our faith more welcoming. Most of this "odd news" about how irrational Islam is, seem to come out of India, at regular intervals... hmmm, something fishy there?!?!
Both parties seem like publicity whores, by the way. Do masjid ke mufti sahab *makes sure that everyone in the *masjid *is there in a *jayez *capacity? At a minimum, do they make sure that people offering *Eid ki namaaz *have performed *wazoo, which is the basic requisite of namaz? No. None. Reason being namaz *is between man and *Allah. If a person who appears like a man wants to offer namaaz, it beats me why anyone will want to go out of their way to stop that person. Mad_Scientists long post notwithstanding, when *masjid ke mufti sahab *start peeking inside the pants of his followers, we have a big problem on our hands.
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"We, the transsexuals, are facing an identity crisis." - LOL!!!
wow...............
as for this. leave it up to the scholars..
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From a Sunni perspective, I think the mosque authorities were correct. No sunni scholar allows gender changing operations with the very small exception of being for the purposes of resolving the gender of the extremely small number of people born with both male and female sexual organs.
In other words, sunni scholars do not accept that someone who is born as being physically female can be changed into a man for religious purposes.
From the sound of the story this, this woman tried to pray amongst men, whereas Islam teaches that when women pray with men they should pray behind men. Given that congregational Eid prayer is an obligation only for men, and is optional for women, the mosque should not have to provide facilities for women should it choose to expend its resources on facilities for those who are obligated by God to use them (ie men).
It is also accepted in Islam that prayer is not valid unless done exactly as laid down in the sunnah. Therefore women's prayers are not valid if done whilst sitting amongst men; therefore Rehana Firdous, regardless of what name she chooses, cannot do her Eid prayers at the mosque if no facilities exist for her to pray behind the men.
The crux of the matter is that whilst secular law allows for the changing of gender, divine law does not. Rehana Firdous is still genetically female; she is still female in God's eyes (though not in the context of Indian law) ; and so Rehana Firdous cannot be treated any differently to other women for religious purposes.
so what are his/her option. Can we attend Namaz with women? ;) Will Mullah's and sister's allow it?
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I am confused. He underwent a surgery that Islam doesn't allow. Why does he even want to perform prayers in a mosque? Having said that, we need to know WHY he needed to get that done? His reason here will affect our perspective on the issue and whether he should be allowed to pray in the mosque or not.
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DHT
okay lets say his reasons were wrong, lets say someone was not even a muslim when someone went thru the procedure and then read about islam and wanted to convert, will u tell that person.. no u cant pray here?
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That's a different story!
He was a muslim to begin with, wasn't he? If he weren't, he would be starting over as a muslim, what he did in the past wouldn't matter. This guy grew up in this village and the village people knew him as a girl. How weird would that be to see her turn into a MAN one day? That would piss off the mullahs of the village, wouldn't it? Why should THEY allow him to pray in the village mosque?
O and he calls himself a transexual, if he did go under the knife to fix whatever abnormality he had, he wouldn't call himself that anymore.
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regardless of why she had the surgery and regarless of if she was muslim or not previously, the whole point is what rights these people in the mosque have to stop him from praying....why do they not just mind their business. Every muslim in this world is allowed to pray in a mosque.....i am so sick of these freaking fanatics...
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well ur a pari, can't u do sum kinda spell like 'abra ca dabra' and fix the situation :(
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That's a different story!
no its not, if a person does one wrong act do we then forecfully stop the person from right acts, whats next force him to break his roza?
what if his faith was weak, what about people who did other non islamic things..drinking, pre marital or extra marital sex, while they were still muslim..and then repented, would you not allow them to enter a mosque?
He was a muslim to begin with, wasn't he? If he weren't, he would be starting over as a muslim, what he did in the past wouldn't matter.
hey man so all of us should look at things that we should nto have done since from what I know majority of ppl on the site are born muslims,a nd due to their 'sins' they should nto be allowed to enter a masjid.
This guy grew up in this village and the village people knew him as a girl. How weird would that be to see her turn into a MAN one day? That would piss off the mullahs of the village, wouldn't it? Why should THEY allow him to pray in the village mosque?
because a mullah getting pissed off does not make religion. Mullahs could blow arteries have coronories, pop veins have strokes, palpitations, anxiety attacks, none of that changes the religion.
now whether we agree or not that this person had a right to have this procedure, if this person wants to pray, what grounds do they have to stop him? aside from theri perspnal discomfort..would they be comfortable directing him to the women's section of a gathering?
O and he calls himself a transexual, if he did go under the knife to fix whatever abnormality he had, he wouldn't call himself that anymore.
what is the defnition of transexual in your view? one definition of transexual is a person who has gone thru a sex change operation. and by that definition his statement that he is a transexual is correct.
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regardless of why she had the surgery and regarless of if she was muslim or not previously, the whole point is what rights these people in the mosque have to stop him from praying....why do they not just mind their business. Every muslim in this world is allowed to pray in a mosque.....i am so sick of these freaking fanatics...
lol please, understand the situation..
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no its not, if a person does one wrong act do we then forecfully stop the person from right acts, whats next force him to break his roza?
what if his faith was weak, what about people who did other non islamic things..drinking, pre marital or extra marital sex, while they were still muslim..and then repented, would you not allow them to enter a mosque?
hey man so all of us should look at things that we should nto have done since from what I know majority of ppl on the site are born muslims,a nd due to their 'sins' they should nto be allowed to enter a masjid.
because a mullah getting pissed off does not make religion. Mullahs could blow arteries have coronories, pop veins have strokes, palpitations, anxiety attacks, none of that changes the religion.
now whether we agree or not that this person had a right to have this procedure, if this person wants to pray, what grounds do they have to stop him? aside from theri perspnal discomfort..would they be comfortable directing him to the women's section of a gathering?
what is the defnition of transexual in your view? one definition of transexual is a person who has gone thru a sex change operation. and by that definition his statement that he is a transexual is correct.
I don't think you are getting my point. My point is the mosque they are not allowing him to pray in is the VILLAGE mosque run by a bunch of mullahs. It's this particular mosque that's not allowing him to pray in the mosque. He can go else where to perform his prayers, can't he? I am sure if he goes some where else, nobody will know him so they won't object. If he claims to be so religious and wants to pray, why can't he pray at home? That mosque is run by a group of people right? Excuse me, I am not religious so I don't know if a mosque always runs on donations and funds or if there is an owner. You can't step inside a mosque with your shoes, how would they let a TRANSEXUAL pray in their mosque? Am I making any sense?
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I don't think you are getting my point. My point is the mosque they are not allowing him to pray in is the VILLAGE mosque run by a bunch of mullahs. It's this particular mosque that's not allowing him to pray in the mosque. He can go else where to perform his prayers, can't he? I am sure if he goes some where else, nobody will know him so they won't object. If he claims to be so religious and wants to pray, why can't he pray at home? That mosque is run by a group of people right? Excuse me, I am not religious so I don't know if a mosque always runs on donations and funds or if there is an owner. You can't step inside a mosque with your shoes, how would they let a TRANSEXUAL pray in their mosque? Am I making any sense?
we are discussing this specific mosque in this discussion. and in the end it not THEIR mosque. its god's mosque, and if they can show reason based in religious law that he can not pray there that is one thing, but if they are not allowing him due to their own discomfort of anger then its not right..right?
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^ Right. Since when transexuality is allowed in Islam? Isn’t that reason enough for them to keep him out of the mosque? 
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first of all not all gender change/correction procedures are not disallowed, and frankly no one here nor the mullahs at that place knew the reasons, so they cant use that as a basis. it is not reason enough for them to keep him out of the mosque. btw how do u think they deal with eunichs, do they allow them to pray in men’s or women’s section. and in their case they were born that way…
and logically if transexuality is not allowed in islam then we are also saying that if someone had a sex change/correction surgery and wants to become muslim we will say no u cant be a muslim. does that sound right to you?
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^ I have never seen a eunich up close, I don't even know how to tell them apart from the others.
A sex change procedure and a surgery for correcting an individual's sexual orientation are two different things to me. Like I said before, I am not a religious person myself, so I don't even know the Islamic laws. I don't know if there were any recently declared fatway over this issue, but I have always been told, Islam condemns homosexuals/transexuals. Transexuals are born that way and I am very sympathetic towards them. However, nobody is telling me here WHY he underwent the surgery. For me, I have to know HIM personally and his reasons. I don't care if you allow him inside the mosque or not. If praying is what he really cares for, he can pray at home or go else where.