Its good pakistan has stopped the land route from its soil its not safe anyway- india should rather take the sea route-india should put ban on pakistani singers and players-there should be no pakistani players in IPL-anyway why these pakistanis r interested in bollywood which is totally different from there culture-
Its good pakistan has stopped the land route from its soil its not safe anyway- india should rather take the sea route-india should put ban on pakistani singers and players-there should be no pakistani players in IPL-anyway why these pakistanis r interested in bollywood which is totally different from there culture-
We have no problem with allowing Indians into our market, although even that should be approached cautiously, owing to the much larger Indian economy, and the fact that we havent resolved the main issues as of yet.
Allowing Indians access to Afghanistan on the other hand is a security threat. We are by no means obliged to facilitate Indian influence in Afghanistan, when both countries are know to harbor long standing hostility towards Pakistan.
As for singers in India. Who the hell really cares. We had a thriving music industry long before India came knocking on the door. Regardless, Pakistani singers in India are not in any way a security threat to India, unlike the case with allowing Indians easier access to Afghanistan.
India gave up on the IPL for a nuber of reasons. For one thing, its was a genuine security liability. Meaning, that without resovling all issues with Pak, any future conflict would mean Pakistan could turn of the tap on a whim, despite Iranian guarantees.
But apparently, India can cancle a project for security reasons, but Pakistan is being stubborn and short sighted.. See a double standard?
Anyways, you seem to diverting from the topic. This is not about Indian good in Pakistan, its about Indian exports making there way to Afghanistan through Pakistan.
As far Indian Pak trade is concerned, Pakistan should not deal with Indians until all outstanding issues have been resolved. Otherwise, we may become overly depndant on the much larger Indian economy at the determent of Pakistani intrests.
you don't know any afghans, do you? you are faced with a hostile india and a hostile afghanistan already. if you can tie their prosperity with yours, it is only going to ease matters. but yes, such moves are only possible when all three governments actually have control over the areas they call their own. for now, a beleaguered PPP govt accused of being soft on india uses this to posture as being aggressive against india, but bottomline is this was expected. afghanistan has been requesting a land link with india for 60 years now, with the same result. big surprise now..
Please... That would require trusting India to resolve the issues that confront us in an amicable way.
That doesnt seem to be the case. Indians are more then content with the status quo.
I fear that allowing the Pak economy to become entwined with the much larger India economy will mean having to ultimately become dependent on the Indian economy. This would be tantamount to tying our hands behind out backs.
Im sure the Afghans have been asking for a land link for ages, but the same argument applied then as in now. Why should we allow two of our enemies the use of our territory to further their hostility towards us? What would Pakistan do if its found being flanked on either side? I mean do you even know why Pak has been so involved in Afghanistan?!?! All in the effort prevent such a scenerio... It is also why they are so cautious now about attacking all the taliban all at once. Once the Americans leave, we have a hostile Afghanistan, which will welcome India.
And Afghans were enemies not for nack of land route to India, but because they never recognized the Durrand Line as permanent border.
Any long term regional cooperation will mean moving on the key issues that are causing conflict. Barring that, its just political and strategic suicide to allow Indians access to Afghanistan.
Its all a question of trust. Why should we trust India?
India gave up on the IPL for a nuber of reasons. For one thing, its was a genuine security liability. Meaning, that without resovling all issues with Pak, any future conflict would mean Pakistan could turn of the tap on a whim, despite Iranian guarantees. But apparently, India can cancle a project for security reasons, but Pakistan is being stubborn and short sighted.. See a double standard?
You should watch some cricket or pay a visit to the cricket forum once in a while. Haa, Ha
IPL is still there its current value is £2 billion according to UK based agency-in 2011 2 more teams will be added and only this year india hosted champions league all international teams participated minus pakistan which we dont need any way-and u never answered me the question why pakistani channels in there news discuss abot bollywood evy day a bit strange
Re: No Indian goods through Pakistan
Regardless of the discussions on the matter. The facts are that Pakistan does not benefit in the long term to Indian exports entering Pakistan. Economies of Scale, trade creation and diversion etc etc.
Following from that GATT has a clause that Pakistan and India do not accord MFN status to each other.
LOL.. THE IPL!!! No wonder I was invited to visit the Cricket Forum! 
Pardon me, but I got this confused for the IPI… The Iran-Pakistan-India pipeline!
Yolk on my face! 
Still, what does the Indian Premier League, and Bollywood have to do with allowing Indian exports access to Afghanistan through Pakistan!?!?
You should watch some cricket or pay a visit to the cricket forum once in a while. Haa, Ha
lol.. Yeah I miss read that.
do u really think that india will loose anything by pak not allowing india through its terriority-india can easily take the sea route-wat kind of business india can do with a country which is a heaven to all the terriorist activities through the world-do I need to tell u the image of pakistan all ovr the world
Re: No Indian goods through Pakistan
India looses cheaper value of its exports to CIS countries. Why do you think India has been hammering away at the WTO for road access to its goods through Pakistan since the early 2000s.
do u really think that india will loose anything by pak not allowing india through its terriority-india can easily take the sea route-wat kind of business india can do with a country which is a heaven to all the terriorist activities through the world-do I need to tell u the image of pakistan all ovr the world
You must have mental diarrhea..
India loses because it costs more to ship by sea. Its cheaper to get things to Afghanistan through Pak.
India should know all about terrorists im sure. India has been exporting terrorsim to the KASHMIRIS FOR YEARS.
Regardless, if you dont want to deal with countries that you think are a heaven for terrorists, then you shouldnt be exporting to Afghanistan to begin with.
Pakistans image isnt your problem. so dont concern yourself with that. Either way, you can b1tch and moan all you want, but your products wont be getting any transit rights through Pak any time soon.
[quote="Med911, post:33, topic:213322"]
Certainly.. But most things Indian that make their way into Pakistan are black market items. Those items have always been around. Most Indian films you find for example are pirated. Im not against those products...:D
And I have no problem with Indian products entering Pakistani market so long as its part of a larger package which includes settlement of all outstanding issues.
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Whether you have a problem with Indian trade or not is totally irrelevant. Indians and Pakistanis will carry on trade if it is profitable to them. Your opinion is worth nothing, it is just a waste of bandwidth.
Re: No Indian goods through Pakistan
^I don't see why an opinion that is "worth nothing" and "just a waste of bandwidth" provokes you to waste your precious time and go to the trouble of responding.
This is a public forum. No one is airing his/her views to win trophies, not least from people inherently bitter with nary a postitive thing to say ever.
^I don't see why an opinion that is "worth nothing" and "just a waste of bandwidth" provokes you to waste your precious time and go to the trouble of responding.
This is a public forum. No one is airing his/her views to win trophies, not least from people inherently bitter with nary a postitive thing to say ever.
Let me explain it so you understand it. His opinions are not based on any realistic assessment of what actually happens in commerce, any commerce. he attaches permission to Indian commerce to settlement of larger issues, which I take to mean Kashmir. Ha! Wake up kid. people do commerce either overtly or covertly for their own profit, not to resolve Kashmir problem. Particulary a senior member should have a certain depth of thinking. Med911 admits that most of India-Pak commerce is black market. So you think these guys are going to stop doing it and stop making crores of rupees because they worry about what Med911 thinks?
Do you honestly think that even one rupee of commerce will stop because Med911 would like to settle Kashmir issue before trading with India?
I did not call Med911 bewakoof because I am a polite man but don't push it.
[quote="Med911, post:33, topic:213322"]
Certainly.. But most things Indian that make their way into Pakistan are black market items. Those items have always been around. Most Indian films you find for example are pirated. Im not against those products...:D
And I have no problem with Indian products entering Pakistani market so long as its part of a larger package which includes settlement of all outstanding issues.
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Whether you have a problem with Indian trade or not is totally irrelevant. Indians and Pakistanis will carry on trade if it is profitable to them. Your opinion is worth nothing, it is just a waste of bandwidth.
Well if its worth nothing then why are you commenting on it?
And yes I agree, my opinion is worthless, but then so is yours. Ultimately no one has any say. Unless threa baap is the driving policy in Islamabad or Delhi, your point is worthless.
But for the moment, my opinion seems to have prevailed over the govt and India products through Pakistan can kiss off...
The ground reality is that Indian exports wont be going through Pakistan.
Let me explain it so you understand it. His opinions are not based on any realistic assessment of what actually happens in commerce, any commerce. he attaches permission to Indian commerce to settlement of larger issues, which I take to mean Kashmir. Ha! Wake up kid. people do commerce either overtly or covertly for their own profit, not to resolve Kashmir problem. Particulary a senior member should have a certain depth of thinking. Med911 admits that most of India-Pak commerce is black market. So you think these guys are going to stop doing it and stop making crores of rupees because they worry about what Med911 thinks?
Do you honestly think that even one rupee of commerce will stop because Med911 would like to settle Kashmir issue before trading with India?
I did not call Med911 bewakoof because I am a polite man but don't push it.
LOL..
Actually im not a kid.. Im old enough for you to call me uncle.
Yes I attach permission to Indian commerce to settlement of larger issues...
Wake up fool.
First of all, you HAVENT read any of what I actually said...
YOU did not challenege any of my assertions.
And whether you like it or not, the oppinon is not one limited to me. Infact, this has been the main reason why Pakistan hasn't allowed India access to Afghanistan.
This is reality. We do NOT trust India.
Kashmir is the biggest issue, but there are others as well...
Try to refute this...
Afghanistan is a nation which has always harbored resentment and hostility towards Pakistan. Because it seems your not educated enough to understand this, I suggest you brush up on your history.
India is another country with a known history of hostility and resentment towards Pakistan.
How can Pakistan allow India acces to Afghanistan and there by increase its influence in that country? This would be tantount to allowing our enemies to surround us.
Why should we facilitate our enemies?As regards Indian exports to Pak in general..
India is a much larger economy. Do we really want Indian products flooding our markets?If Pakistan becomes to dependant on the Indian Market, does tht not weaken our standing in terms of our negotiating power? India which is more then satisfied with the status quo would have no reason to hold negotiations..
All these issues can only be resolves if all outstanding issues are resolved and we can trust the Indians on a level we do not currently.
Now grow up.
If you have nothing useful to add to this conversation, then go back to your idiotic bollywood channels and leave the conversation to the real adults.
LOL.. Actually im not a kid.. Im old enough for you to call me uncle.
Yes I attach permission to Indian commerce to settlement of larger issues... Wake up fool. First of all, you HAVENT read any of what I actually said... YOU did not challenege any of my assertions. And whether you like it or not, the oppinon is not one limited to me. Infact, this has been the main reason why Pakistan hasn't allowed India access to Afghanistan.
This is reality. We do NOT trust India. Kashmir is the biggest issue, but there are others as well...
Try to refute this...
Afghanistan is a nation which has always harbored resentment and hostility towards Pakistan. Because it seems your not educated enough to understand this, I suggest you brush up on your history.
India is another country with a known history of hostility and resentment towards Pakistan.
How can Pakistan allow India acces to Afghanistan and there by increase its influence in that country? This would be tantount to allowing our enemies to surround us. Why should we facilitate our enemies?
As regards Indian exports to Pak in general.. India is a much larger economy. Do we really want Indian products flooding our markets?
If Pakistan becomes to dependant on the Indian Market, does tht not weaken our standing in terms of our negotiating power? India which is more then satisfied with the status quo would have no reason to hold negotiations..
All these issues can only be resolves if all outstanding issues are resolved and we can trust the Indians on a level we do not currently.
Now grow up.
If you have nothing useful to add to this conversation, then go back to your idiotic bollywood channels and leave the conversation to the real adults.
Utter nonsense as somebody else has pointed out. China and India aren't each other's best friends but are each other's best customers in Asia. And they haven't resolved their long-standing border disputes either. So that kind of torpedoes your argument.
Afghanistan will or will not buy Indian products because there is or isn't a commercial demand not because Pakistan wants it or not despite your unrealistic expectations to the contrary. If they are hostile to you, ask yourself why, the whole world seems to think it is Pakistan that is responsible for that hostility.
Check this thread 6 months from now and then let me know if any of your ideas have come to pass. I guarantee you black market Pak India trade will continue as before. Nothing you say will happen. Ultimately that is the proof that your ideas are a dud.
its better for pakistanis to forget abot Kashmir-remember we r more than a billion strong-internal terriorism is the main issu-evry second day pakistan explodes- wat happened in KARACHI millions lost due to sectarian voilence thousands of shops burnt and thats there commercial capital-atleast now pakistanis goin to cinemas and paying to watch bollywood thanks to ARY and other channels for its promotion-majority of pakistani channels talks abot bollywood in there entertainment section we know it very well kep it up and guess were the money goes-
Utter nonsense as somebody else has pointed out. China and India aren't each other's best friends but are each other's best customers in Asia. And they haven't resolved their long-standing border disputes either. So that kind of torpedoes your argument.
Afghanistan will or will not buy Indian products because there is or isn't a commercial demand not because Pakistan wants it or not despite your unrealistic expectations to the contrary. If they are hostile to you, ask yourself why, the whole world seems to think it is Pakistan that is responsible for that hostility.
Check this thread 6 months from now and then let me know if any of your ideas have come to pass. I guarantee you black market Pak India trade will continue as before. Nothing you say will happen. Ultimately that is the proof that your ideas are a dud.
You really need to educate yourself. Your comparison of Pak Indian relations to China India relations laughable.
China is a larger economy then Indias. India and China have no outstanding issue anywhere neat the scale of Kashmir.
China does not have any problem even remotely similar to Afghanistan. So allowing any concession to India as regards transit rights isnt even in question.
So no that doesn't torpedo any of my arguments, it just makes you look like an uneducated simpleton.
Afghanistans hostility goes back to the birth of Pakistan and before then...
You are extremely ignorant. PLEASE READ THE HISTORY OF PAKISTAN AFGHANISTAN RELATIONS! Spare me having to educate you on a century of history.
Have you ever heard of the Durran line? Its is the official border of Pak and Afghanistan, created through an agreement between the British and the Afghans.
This line divided Pushtun areas so that that nearly 2/3 of Pushtuns were on the the British side.
Upon the creation of Pakistan, Afghans refused to recognize the broder, even though by international law Pakistan inherited all agreements from previous regimes. In this case the British.
The Afghans began to incite local Pashtun nationalists in Pakistan against the state.
Pak had to be concerned because India was an enemy to the east that could take advantage of the situation on Paks West.
Had there been no Pakistan and India had inherited the Durran border from the British, then the Indians would have been the ones to find a hostile Afghanistan... Pakistan created a buffer state for you Indians, which allowed all Afghan hostility to be directed at Pak instead of India... Not only this, while you Indians have profited from the better times, Pakistan has been there the entire time, god and bad. It wasnt you Indians that had to cope with the Afghan societ wars or the Civil wars.
Now that you have a little background, please go an do some reading on your own. You sound very stupid when you make comments without a shred of insight to back it up.
its better for pakistanis to forget abot Kashmir-remember we r more than a billion strong-internal terriorism is the main issu-evry second day pakistan explodes- wat happened in KARACHI millions lost due to sectarian voilence thousands of shops burnt and thats there commercial capital-atleast now pakistanis goin to cinemas and paying to watch bollywood thanks to ARY and other channels for its promotion-majority of pakistani channels talks abot bollywood in there entertainment section we know it very well kep it up and guess were the money goes-
Sorry, better for you Indians to give up on Kashmir or resolve the issue amicably. If you dont, this will always be thorn in the side. Once you resolve this issue the the rest of what you said aplies----
There will never be lasting peace until all issues are resolved. Indians are satisfied with the status quo, we arent.
And lest you forget, we tried to resolve the issues with India. India doesnt even move on the little issues, let alone Kashmir.