No F16's for Pakistan-Pakistan left in the shadows (merged)

You have to admit. When it come to the crunch, US will always side with India. :slight_smile:

http://www.nation.com.pk/daily/mar-2005/17/index1.php

On F-16s, the source said the Indian refusal to drop its objection to the sale of fighter planes to Pakistan has disappointed Rice, who earlier offered the Indian authorities in New Delhi with the supply of the same.

“Both the sides decided to continue with talks on the vital matter with US Secretary of State assuring of constant contact with the Indian leadership to pave the way for ‘acceptable to all solution’ to the F-16 issue,” said an official. Rice said the US administration could not ignore the legitimate requirements of its important ally in war on terror, he added.

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although they see no obstacle in the way of offering technology to India:rolleyes:

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we don't need f-16. We can get the J-10 from china which is BETTER then F-16.

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This is all another example of India’s ego trip… What can be more of an ego booster then this show of precieved infuence on the world sole super power…:rolleyes:
Its pathetic…

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We can get J-10 fine! better than F-16?? please provide source!

I do support the idea of buying sth other than F-16

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US to supply F-16s to Pak: Bush informs Manmohan

Friday, 25 March , 2005, 21:09

New Delhi: US President George W Bush on Friday telephoned Prime Minister Manmohan Singh to convey the US administration’s decision to supply F-16 warplanes to Pakistan, which Singh said was a “great disappointment” for India and could have “negative consequences” for its security environment.
“The Prime Minister received a telephone call from the US President this evening. They had 15 minutes of wide-ranging conversation,” PMO spokesman Sanjaya Baru said.

“The US President, among other things, spoke about his administration’s decision to propose the transfer of F-16 aircraft to Pakistan,” he said.

Baru said Singh expressed India’s “great disappointment at this decision,” pointing out that it could have “negative consequences for India’s security environment.”

The American decision comes despite India’s constant opposition to the supply of the nuclear-capable multi-role fighters. New Delhi has been maintaining that arming Pakistan with the advanced warplanes would hamper military balance in South Asia and could affect the ongoing Indo-Pak dialogue process which has been progressing well.

India had even conveyed its concerns over the proposed US move last week when Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice held talks with External Affairs Minister K Natwar Singh in New Delhi.

Pakistan had purchased 111 F-16 aircraft in 1980s and received the supply of 40 planes between 1983 and 1987. Three years later, the supplies were stopped because of Pressler Amendment, a legislation passed by the US Congress over Pakistan’s suspected nuclear programme.

Islamabad, which had already made the advance payment for the entire consignment, had since been persisting with the successive US Administrations to either supply rest of the planes or return rest 638 million US dollars


http://sify.com/news/politics/fullstory.php?id=13702134

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Yeah…

The decision to give F-16s to Pakistan was made a while ago. It was just not being made public. Lets see how many we get. this will give us more time to start inducting JF-17 and also shop for a 4th generation fighter.

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[quote=" Alaaas i for you mate! check it out.[/QUOTE"]

Abay, the F16’s Pakistan might get will not have any BVR capabilities and will not have other triggers :wink:

The alleged sale will give no advantage to PAF,is just to fool the Pakistani public :smiley:

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You mean to tell us that US is Not providng Pakistan with 4th generation fighters :smiley:

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[quote=“Aalsi”]

ALAAASI these are most up to date version of F 16’s, F16-C and F16-D class planes.

i just posted this cause you were trying to be indian smart a$$. i think you should shut up and cause you have got the answer of trying to start this kind of thread which is not valid anymore.

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[quote=“Aalsi”]

Anything that makes you happy. First no F-16 were making you happy and now that we are getting them you are happy with that too. That is what ghalib said:
Dil ko khush rakhnay ko ghalib, yeh khayal acha hay.

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I didnt get what you said. So i wil just say it again what i meant to say. Pakistan is just looking for a plane that will give Pakistan some time to induce JF-17 and shop for some plane that will be the future front line fighter for Pakistan.
Aur behan jee jahaan tak sawal raha BVR ka, that is why we are making JF-17. Also behind this deal there are a few other things involved also, which includes MLU of the current F-16s we have and some other stuff. Also the F-16s we have are designated F-16-S where S stands for Sparrow which is a BVR missle. So our planes can carry BVR missles. And as far as making of BVR missle is concerned, Pakistan is already working on development of its own BVR which are H2 and H4 which were tested already a while ago.

Pakistan left in the shadows.

Whilst Pakistan may get F16’s, US allows India to access aerospace industry, F-16s, F-18s, licences for production; energy coopertaion.

To top it all, the Bush Administration wants a dialogue on global issues with India aimed at increasing New Delhi’s role in international institutions such as the Asia Pacific Economic Cooperation (APEC) and Group of Eight industrial countries.
:clap:

http://www.indianexpress.com/full_story.php?content_id=67213&headline=India~gets~F-18s,~licences~to~produce,~nuke~tech~and~more

**NEW DELHI, MARCH 25: **Barely hours after an official spokesman said that the Prime Minister expressed ‘‘great disappointment’’ to US President George Bush over his decision to sell F-16 fighter aircraft to Pakistan, there was quiet satisfaction in New Delhi.
In a statement issued after midnight, the MEA spokesperson put on record Washington’s wide-ranging offer that not only allows India to buy F-16s and the latest F-18s from US firms but also seeks to ‘‘upgrade’’ the strategic partnership giving it a ‘‘much more global character.’’

In fact, the US announcement this evening signals a significant differentiation that the Bush Administration is making between India on the one hand and its long-standing competitors in the region—Pakistan and China.

That Bush was going to reward Gen. Pervez Musharraf with F-16s—a sale blocked for 15 years—for his cooperation in the war on terrorism was long known. What has been on offer to India from the United States, however, has been less clear until recently.

In his conversation with Prime Minister Singh today, Bush informed India on the final decision about F-16s to Pakistan and reaffirmed the Rice proposals on strategic cooperation. The Bush package marks a radical departure from the decades-old American policy towards India on defence cooperation and the transfer of advanced technologies.

Washington is offering India a wider array of weapons systems and more importantly the option to produce them in India.

The Bush Administration has now taken a decision to permit its companies to bid for the Indian Air Force contract on the acquisition of 126 multi-role combat aircraft and give them licences for manufacture and production in India. Sources in the American aerospace industry say once they receive formal communication, they will fully compete in meeting the stringent Indian demands on technology transfer and licensed production.

Lockheed Martin that produces the F-16 and the Boeing that makes the F-15 and F-18 are expected to join the bidding for the Indian purchase of the multi-role combat aircraft.

This is the first time Washington has offered F-16s to India, a country outside the zone of its non-NATO allies.

On missile defence, the classified briefing given to India by a Pentagon team last month was on the PAC 2 Plus system. This takes care of integration with radar systems being developed now by Raytheon. Such a briefing has only been given to Israel outside the NATO.

The Bush Administration is also proposing a major change in its non-proliferation policy towards India by offering cooperation in the area of commercial atomic energy generation—including nuclear reactor technology—for the first time in three decades.

This comes days after US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice—she spoke to External Affairs Minister Natwar Singh in Myanmar today—had revealed a package of proposals aimed at addressing India’s security and energy needs.

Having opposed the natural gas pipeline with Iran, the Bush Administration believes it has an obligation to offer alternative options to India. It is in this context that Washington is proposing nuclear energy cooperation.

The Bush Administration is expected to shortly take up the possibility of such cooperation with the US Congress that has put in legislative constraints on the transfer of nuclear energy technology. To top it all, the Bush Administration wants a dialogue on global issues with India aimed at increasing New Delhi’s role in international institutions such as the Asia Pacific Economic Cooperation (APEC) and Group of Eight industrial countries.

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You Indian people make yourself out to look like a bunch of insecure retards with every post..
I mean, for a country with aspirations of becoming a world power, little old Pakistan certainly seems to have ruffled your feathers.:rolleyes:

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^ Nonesense. Pakistan F16's do not have BVR capability. You may get away with lying to Pakistani public about the capabilities.

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^ Jalo mat. Chalo aakar galay milo :)

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cut the crap Aalsi.
pretty soon youll come up saying the F16s wouldnt have ejection seats and landinig gears either.

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:bukbuk: Pakistan Zindabad

Pakistan will make its F16 “e” by its own.. :confused:

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Bibi jee, anything that makes you happy.

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I am sure they have ejection seats and landinig gears. They just don’t have BVR capabilities. :slight_smile: