lol so rukhsati is just the girl 'officially' going to the guys home?
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I find it more and more that Pakistanis are confused about nikkah.. Rukhsati is less important than nikkah..!
You only need two things: Nikkah and Walima.. the rest are cultural bs traditions.
all you need is a pen, paper and 4 on lookers. srsly, thats a 2 dollar wedding for you right there.
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Yes Slick, the rukhsati is literally just the guy taking the girl home with him.
Doing Nikkah a year or six months before rukhasti .....
Is that a good idea and Islamically allowed ?
Nikah IS marriage. Once your nikah is done, you are married. And yes, you can have nikah, then do the rukhsati afterwards. Nothing Islamically wrong about that.
so that means once you do nikah you can have sex?
so that means once you do nikah you can have sex?
practically speaking you can have it anytime, but it is best to do it once you have been nikah'fied.
Warna farishtay bura mana jaatay hain.
wait LOL. ROFLMAO. So these people get nikah done.....cant afford the damn rukhsati .......... have fun in the sack for 6 -12 months and when they can afford the wedding they have one.
vah ji vah!
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as everyone said Nikaah is Marriage.
After that she is your wife.
Personally I would want the nikaah & Rukhsati on the same day .
I mean Why delay it ? :aq:
You want her as your wife then just take her there & then.
ye 6 months ya 1 year ka wait kiss khushi mai ? 
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wow there is great confusion about this whole Nikkah business well Islamically speaking Nikkah does not in any way give you a license to have sex it only means that there has been a commitment until there is an actual ruksati in front of people and Walima it is not legal as such.
Walima is one of the most important parts of a marriage in Islam this is because it is to acknowledge the consummation of the marriage. This is why the Walima and ruksati are held close together.
In Islam walima is so important to acknowledge the relationship that if you cannot afford to do a walima reception then I’m not exact on number but around 60 people should come with their own food.
People that think that Nikkah is a license to sex are very much mistaken because then there is no purpose to the formal side of the marriage such as the ruksati and the walima. I know people that have used it as a open access thing but their parents do not know. These people have such little knowledge of Islam it is ridiculous instead of consulting a learned Islamic scholar they just make up stuff without grasping anything.
^^ Your absolutely Right!
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OH yeah I missed out one point if the Nikkah happens and they have sex and then for whatever reason the wedding does not happen (this does happen) then the girl is screwed up coz she had no formal thing meaning no witnesses apart from the two or three required for the Nikaah so before you all start having sex and stuff think through what you’re doing.
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Nikah is marriage .
Period.
In islam there is no such thing as a rukhsati.It a cultural thing.
After Nikah the husband can take the wife home whenever he want.
It is better to take her in front of a number of people & this is what people have termed as rukhsati.
Marriage means you can have a "husband-Wife" relationship with your spouse.
Since nikaah is marriage it means the same thing.
You have understood it wrong pakilass.
wow there is great confusion about this whole Nikkah business well Islamically speaking Nikkah does not in any way give you a license to have sex it only means that there has been a commitment until there is an actual ruksati in front of people and Walima it is not legal as such.
Walima is one of the most important parts of a marriage in Islam this is because it is to acknowledge the consummation of the marriage. This is why the Walima and ruksati are held close together.
In Islam walima is so important to acknowledge the relationship that if you cannot afford to do a walima reception then I’m not exact on number but around 60 people should come with their own food.
People that think that Nikkah is a license to sex are very much mistaken because then there is no purpose to the formal side of the marriage such as the ruksati and the walima. I know people that have used it as a open access thing but their parents do not know. These people have such little knowledge of Islam it is ridiculous instead of consulting a learned Islamic scholar they just make up stuff without grasping anything.
What? No offense but all scholars of Islam say that when Nikah is performed, the man and woman become husband and wife! "rukhsati" or consummation of marriage, nobody needs to know! It's between the husband n wife.. You can have the walima take place anytime after the nikkah, don't have to have a "rukhsati" ceremony like we do in our culture.
"sex", it's all private, let it be private. So what if people have sex after nikkah, it's their choice and all halal. and yes walima is neccesary...
OH yeah I missed out one point if the Nikkah happens and they have sex and then for whatever reason the wedding does not happen (this does happen) then the girl is screwed up coz she had no formal thing meaning no witnesses apart from the two or three required for the Nikaah so before you all start having sex and stuff think through what you’re doing.
What again? I think you are following culture more than religion here.. Nikkah is marriage. What do you mean wedding doesn't take place? It already did (when two performed nikkah)...
and formal thing is what exactly and why do you need witnesses for exactly if not for nikkah?
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I have not understood it wrong, read up about it instead of just listening to what mum and dad or random people have told you. We are not all scholars and I am most certainly not but I make sure I know the facts.
Ruksati is not a cultural thing you just said so yourself about witnesses in Asian culture that is what is called ruksati so I have no idea what your point is but I know that signing a piece of paper in front of two people does not mean that you can have sex. Nikkah is marriage in loose terms nikkah gives the girl all her rights such as hak mer and khula as well as all the rights of marriage in Islam. But until the formal side of things is completed i.e. ruksati it does not mean that the guy can **** the girl.
Again I reiterate the parents do not know of what the kidz are doing I know for a fact that a nikkah in parents eyes is not for the kidz to be having sex that is not why they do it, it is for the commitment, but the girl gets all her rights.
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I have not understood it wrong, read up about it instead of just listening to what mum and dad or random people have told you. We are not all scholars and I am most certainly not but I make sure I know the facts.
Ruksati is not a cultural thing you just said so yourself about witnesses in Asian culture that is what is called ruksati so I have no idea what your point is but I know that signing a piece of paper in front of two people does not mean that you can have sex. Nikkah is marriage in loose terms nikkah gives the girl all her rights such as hak mer and khula as well as all the rights of marriage in Islam. But until the formal side of things is completed i.e. ruksati it does not mean that the guy can **** the girl.
Again I reiterate the parents do not know of what the kidz are doing I know for a fact that a nikkah in parents eyes is not for the kidz to be having sex that is not why they do it, it is for the commitment, but the girl gets all her rights.
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Instead of arguing over a matter of religion without facts.
Present me some ahadith from authentic sources that say nikaah is not marriage & rukhsati is a necessity.
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First you give me an Ahdith where it says that you can have sex you all seem to be so certain. I am the only individual that is against it i want the hard evidence the majority should provide evidence to the minority.
I can’t be bothered to waste my time on people who are not even open in the slightest to the fact that there may be other possible elements to Nikkah and so entrenched in there ideologies that they are blind to what is true.
You may say the same about me but I know when I am wrong and I am not wrong here so say what you want. You can try to take this conversation as a step to research and further your knowledge or ignore it I don’t care.
I put out my view and you can say what you want it is not going to be altered because i do not take things at face value.
I was born a Muslim but I research all major religions and my own and then found that I was in fact born into the truest and perfect religions. I do not take the word of any person or any idiot sitting on TV who don’t know the first thing about Islam.
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pakilass, do we agree to the following?
Nikkah gives the right for both husband and wife on each other. Nobody can stop husband nor wife to contacting each other. Husband has full right over wife and wife has full right over husband. Do we agree?
The rukhsati part is a promise basically, when both parties agree to put certain limits in place until the time of rukhsati (ie: sexual contact). Which is all fine and dandy. But in this thread we're just discussing the basic concept of nikkah. Which allows both parties to interact as normal husband and wife, be it sexually or not..
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First you give me an Ahdith where it says that you can have sex you all seem to be so certain. I am the only individual that is against it i want the hard evidence the majority should provide evidence to the minority.
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I knew you would ask me the same.
I would've given you right now but its been 2 years since I read about Marriage related things in Islam.
So it will take some time to dig it up & post here.
As soon as I find what I had read regarding this I will post.
In case I dont then I wont post.
In the meantime if anyone else finds then please do post.
& in the meantime of you do have the hadith then do enlighten us.
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I am the only individual that is against it i want the hard evidence the majority should provide evidence to the minority.
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You may say the same about me but I know when I am wrong and I am not wrong here so say what you want. You can try to take this conversation as a step to research and further your knowledge or ignore it I don’t care.
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If you do have the related ahadith then you can help in increasing my knowledge about the matter cant you?