Nikkah is MARRIAGE

[psyah]

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@stoppit

Do you see how slightly ridiculous the bit in bold becomes. Even if you’ve not moved in with husband permanently, the marriage can still be consummate. And then the opposite, you could be living together and not consummate.

So there is no point to the rasm given that nikkah as you say, makes consummation fully permissible. The rest is not really anyone else’s bsuiness.

Peace stoppit

May be … may be not … It may well become somebody else business if a talaq happens and the girl comes to marry another guy … they may ask why she is not observing the iddat … then it does become their business … If a rukhsati makes it official then at least people will have the peace of mind that they didn’t sleep together yet … they tried to make it work but couldn’t … no izzat gone … that is the purpose behind it … it seems.

And you are right … they can get it on anyway … but it is not a secure safeguard but it does give somewhat of a safety net and also that is the reason why the people are around the girl like a hawk even after nikkah … to ensure the couple click before they you know …

Additionally … it is clear from hadith that nikkah itself can happen and remain in that condition for many years, but the women only earn rights of wife when consumation takes place …

And it is required that for maidservants who will be in private with a male then they should have nikkah but without touching they are not considered wives … in the legal sense … of course those women may not marry someone else either until a divorce takes place …but this is not applicable now anyway because this only applies to slaves.

[stoppit]

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erm... but they can have a rukhsati and still not consummate, so then no iddat period. who is to prove it that just because they had a rukhsati there was consummation? you'd have to take the couple's word for it.

sorry but to me, nikkah give you the rights and then proving/disproving consummation is no different from after rukhsati, unless in the extreme case that the couple have not been left alone at all and therefore never had the chance. and then, in that case, it was no one's right to stop them being together anyway. the right to consummate has been given by the nikkah. do you see what i mean?

{why you edit after my post :( }

[bigfatindianwedding]

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@Sahar02

^the nikkah is the marriage contract. In the US it is usually performed by a licensed imam who is registered with the state

@canadiandesigirl

Same thing here in Canada, except one has to get a license. In order to get it an application with information of bride, groom and Nikah date is submitted to City Hall.

Thank you!

Then one more stupid question, can you have the nikkah and have it not be legally recognized, ie. not get it registered by City Hall?

Seeing from some commenters, some people have the nikkah, “date” their husband/wife, and then move out a couple years later. I was wondering how that is possible if the nikkah is legally binding. Weird to live with your parents and be married, no? Or maybe I’m really confused.

[STA]

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@Sahar02

Nikkah is MARRIAGE. Get it straight, peeps.

Islamically, when bride and groom says qabool hai in the presence of two witnesses, they immediately become husband and wife.

In desi culture, if nikkah happened, but dulhan is not rukhsatified. they are like unmarried people because husband is not supporting his wife physically, emotionally, and financially.

@Ashy2010

Yeah Nikah is like you have got a driving licence but you don’t own the car yet

Yes Nikah is very much marriage but in our society, it is usually not considered marriage. Like after nikah, the husband should be paying wife’s expenses but I have not seen any instances like that

@KaafHaaYaaAynSaad

After nikah, wife’s responsibility in on the husband, according to Islam.

But, well, each situation is different.

:k:

@pinkyy

Then why don’t people have rukhsati after Nikah!? What’s the point in delaying rukhsati!?

@pinkyy

Yes, but should a girl & guy be stopped from meeting each other once their Nikah is done?

Pinkyy: In a situation like if one spouse in different country, and proof of marriage is required for immigration/visa then most people usually adopt Nikkah to initiate legal process.

Yes, it may possible to stop spouses from meeting and communicating with each other between the period of nikkah and rukhsati. One of the major argument is avoid any further tension/misunderstanding between couple.

I believe moderate communication among families is ok. Let say, guy can speak with her wife’s family and at the same time gal can do same.

I know it is weird to most of you.

@TLK

Decent order of events
Nikah > Rukhsati > Pregnancy

Screwed up order of events
Pregnancy > Rukhsati > Nikah

@Decent_6Chora

Extremely Screwed up order
Pregnancy > where is he?

and Extremely-Extremely Screwed up order
Pregnancy > who’s is he?

TLK, D6C:
you guys are so phunny.

@Sahar02

^the nikkah is the marriage contract. In the US it is usually performed by a licensed imam who is registered with the state

In Texas, bride and groom are required to get marriage license before 72 hours of nikkah ceremony. Marriage license will last 30 days after issuance and any registered imam/religious leader can conduct ceremony. If you are not able to find any registered imam, then I will suggest you to go any court and perform your civil wedding in the presence of judge.
and then nikkah can be performed by any adult muslim/imam, as you are legally married in the eyes of authorities,.

Read following text, I copied it from local county’ website.
"Licensed or ordained Christian ministers, and priests; Jewish rabbis; persons who are officers of religious organizations and who are duly authorized by the organization to conduct marriage ceremonies; justices of the supreme court, judges of the court of criminal appeals, justices of the court of appeals, judges of the district, county, and probate courts, judges of the county court at law, courts of domestic relations and juvenile courts, retired justices and judges of such courts, justices of the peace, retired justices of the peace, judges of a municipal court and judges and magistrates of the federal courts of this state. "

[Demilitarize]

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Do you see how slightly ridiculous the bit in bold becomes.** Even if you've not moved in with husband permanently, the marriage can still be consummate. And then the opposite, you could be living together and not consummate. ** So there is no point to the rasm given that nikkah as you say, makes consummation fully permissible. The rest is not really anyone else's bsuiness.

Agreed.

[canadiandesigirl]

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@bigfatindianwedding

Thank you!

Then one more stupid question, can you have the nikkah and have it not be legally recognized, ie. not get it registered by City Hall?

Seeing from some commenters, some people have the nikkah, “date” their husband/wife, and then move out a couple years later. I was wondering how that is possible if the nikkah is legally binding. Weird to live with your parents and be married, no? Or maybe I’m really confused.

Most Imams and our Imam will not perform Nikah if the couple doesn’t have a license. Although, Nikah can be performed by any muslim so in that case if the couple doesn’t have a license it will not be legally binding. Everyone I know whose done Nikah and Rukhsati separately still got a license for the Nikah. There isn’t any ceremony at the Rukhsati its just a party.

[Decent_6Chora]

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NIkkah is Mirage, get it straight peeps

[S02]

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Same thing here in Canada, except one has to get a license. In order to get it an application with information of bride, groom and Nikah date is submitted to City Hall.

yes, most states in the US require a license beforehand as well.

[psyah]

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erm... but they can have a rukhsati and still not consummate, so then no iddat period. who is to prove it that just because they had a rukhsati there was consummation? you'd have to take the couple's word for it.

sorry but to me, nikkah give you the rights and then proving/disproving consummation is no different from after rukhsati, unless in the extreme case that the couple have not been left alone at all and therefore never had the chance. and then, in that case, it was no one's right to stop them being together anyway. the right to consummate has been given by the nikkah. do you see what i mean?

{why you edit after my post :( }

Sorry ... I re-read what I write and it didn't sound right so I modified it ... What I am arguing about is not that rukhsati has any place in Islam, but I am saying there is a position in Islam for delaying the consumation of the marriage after the nikkah ... and that this delay can be for up to several years.

Also I was using a bit of reflective thinking to say that perhaps the family of the girl want to see if she is compatible with her new hubby before her having to give up her "kawari" card ...

And the nearest thing we have to this delay is to separate the rukhsati rasm from the nikkah ... It is not right for us to condemn this behaviour just as much as it is not right for us to say that this must be the practice.

Rukhsati doesn't prove anything yeah I got that ... but it gives the people a sense of personal satisfaction ... I agree with one thing though that if the nikkah is done the couple should not be prevented from getting together... this would be wrong ... but if the couple don't click then delaying the rukhsati can be a blessing as well - especially for the girl. She gets to keep her "kawari card"

[bigfatindianwedding]

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Most Imams and our Imam will not perform Nikah if the couple doesn't have a license. Although, Nikah can be performed by any muslim so in that case if the couple doesn't have a license it will not be legally binding. Everyone I know whose done Nikah and Rukhsati separately still got a license for the Nikah. There isn't any ceremony at the Rukhsati its just a party.

Thank you for clarifying :)

[Xtron]

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@Sahar02

Nikkah is MARRIAGE. Get it straight, peeps.

Compeletly agree yo!. couple of my friends got nikkahed..and their parents were discouraging from meeting their wife or to even go out. Why coz..the rukhsati hasn't happened yet and they would consummate their marriage before rukhsati << That is fact yo. But they still went out. Backward culture mentality i tell ya!.

[makd]

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Nikkah is marriage! :D:D:D

[makd]

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thanks for telling!! :P