[Gingrich calls Palestinians ‘invented’ people | News | Al Jazeera
h](Gingrich calls Palestinians ‘invented’ people | News | Al Jazeera)ow can a candidate be allowed to say such tings in open with no critics on him??
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^ he can say that because despite what anyone claims, white house has been the heart of racist supremacy thinking ever since the creation of the united states. From butchering redindians to bombing Iraq and Afghanistan and Vietnam and columbia.
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He is right, as there were no palestineans before 1948. We might not admit it, because israeli supporters will make it arab vs. israel (jews) and argue that arabs have a lot of land to accommodate some other arabs in their own lands, like how borders and communities moved in europe.
PS I don't find it too surprising that it is coming from the US, but the more sad part is that the "arab brothers" who are rich and influential have themselves let down the palestineans, though Arafat's terror bases in lebanon and jordan and israeli reprisals there didn't help matters vs. the local authorities attitude about palestineans. I still would say that we have given afghans the whole run of our country, even when they (especially their govt, but many people as well) have actively worked to truncate pashtunistan and balochistan at Pakistan's expense in the past. It is just pathetic that namak haram afghans don't see any of it and still badmouth each and everything Pakistani, when we had no obligation to sustain them in their civil wars.
Re: Newt Gingrich calls Palestinians "invented" people
New Grinch has a chance to go to many places too, he is an invented person :D
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No comments on this specific issue. However, all I need to know about Newt Gingrich is he divorced his first wife while she had cancer.
Re: Newt Gingrich calls Palestinians "invented" people
He is right, as there were no palestineans before 1948. We might not admit it, because israeli supporters will make it arab vs. israel (jews) and argue that arabs have a lot of land to accommodate some other arabs in their own lands, like how borders and communities moved in europe.
PS I don't find it too surprising that it is coming from the US, but the more sad part is that the "arab brothers" who are rich and influential have themselves let down the palestineans, though Arafat's terror bases in lebanon and jordan and israeli reprisals there didn't help matters vs. the local authorities attitude about palestineans. I still would say that we have given afghans the whole run of our country, even when they (especially their govt, but many people as well) have actively worked to truncate pashtunistan and balochistan at Pakistan's expense in the past. It is just pathetic that namak haram afghans don't see any of it and still badmouth each and everything Pakistani, when we had no obligation to sustain them in their civil wars.
You fail at history. You really do.
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The way I see it Palestinians are as old as Jews and if Palestinains are an invented people so are Jews... besides how can people be "invented" the whole notion is pathetic.
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It's nothing that hasn't been said before. Golda Meir asserted the same in '69, that the Palestinians didn't exist as a country. It's part of the Israeli narrative, just like they appropriated the 'Jaffa orange' and turned it into an Israeli symbol/brand.
This reminds me of Eddie Izzard's parody on history (he's making fun of the British) :
We built up empires - we stole countries! That's what you do, that's how you build an empire. We stole countries with the cunning use of flags! Yeah, just sail around the world and stick a flag in.
"I claim India for Britain!"
They go, "You can't claim us, we live here! 500 million of us!"
"Do you have a flag?"
"We don't need a bloody flag! It's our country, you b@stards!"
"No flag, no country, you can't have one! That's the rules that I've just made up, and I'm backing it up with this gun that was lent from the National Rifle Association."
Eddie is the man.
Re: Newt Gingrich calls Palestinians "invented" people
This is just politicians pondering to the money bank & vote bank in elections.
Technically Newt is right - There was no Palestine - but there was no Israel either! so what?
He and others should focus more on real issues - such as fixing the USA, the healthcare & the retirement bubbles & dysfunctional govt.
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Apparently the Palestinians as a people are also "terrorists" time for the Americans to look in the mirror, the destruction of the world in the name of Religion was also a trait of early America... so are the Americans not terrorists too? A point to remember is that no country has waged total war on a level equal to America.
Re: Newt Gingrich calls Palestinians "invented" people
Apparently the Palestinians as a people are also "terrorists" time for the Americans to look in the mirror, the destruction of the world in the name of Religion was also a trait of early America... so are the Americans not terrorists too? A point to remember is that no country has waged total war on a level equal to America.
Are you then suggesting America should work to simply change regime amongst Palestinians? When America does that there is a hue & cry about why they are acting against the will of the people!
It is easy to blame.
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I'm not suggesting America get involved in anything... I was merely making a remark to Mr Gingrinch's latest comments about Palestinains being Terrorists. :)
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@chaibiskut - what is the jaffa orange?
(forgive my ignorance - not very strong in history - trying to catch up :))
Micky (below) - I think you just about summarized said person very nicely!
Re: Newt Gingrich calls Palestinians "invented" people
idiot.
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Newt Gingrich is just an anti-Islamic bigot. It is people like him who will eventually bring an end to the superpower we now call U.S.A.
Using his own argument, before 1948 there was never a state of Israel. Israel is a country made by force over a people who couldn't beat them at war. The same happened to American Indians, Muslims in Bosnia, Muslims in Spain, etc. In this world, you have to kill the people who try to take your home. If you can't do that then you will not have a home. This is the simple truth, as I know it.
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@Southie Jaffa oranges were a favourite staple produce of Arab farmers who perfected thier cultivation by the 19th Century. Back in the early part of that century these oranges came to be well known in the west for thier taste and aesthetic charecteristics. Jaffa oranges were also very tolerant to colder climates as well which meant this sweet variety supplanted many other medieteranian orange species and became the most sought after Orange.
Before the State of Isreal and long before Orange County California the Jaffa orange was in a way a globaly recognised brand in itself.
I suppose it could be compared to Madras massala status in India... though this can be somewhat argued. :)
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You fail at history. You really do.
There was never a palestinean identity, but a more general arab identity be it the islamic conquests or the crusades.
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^ Long before Arabs came to the levant from Arabia Magna.... there were Palestinians in that region we now call Isreal... :)
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EVERY human being has an ancestor. There is therefore always a historical reference to any group of people. Whether they call themselves Palestines, Israelis, Indians or Pakistanis....
Connecting these groups to a piece of land will only be accurate within a window-in-time. It is simply impractical to focus on a particular window-in-historical time and claim ownership. It may sound right but you can never be right BECAUSE...take the case of the American Indians from whom the Europeans took N.America over. How will anyone prove the American Indians originated here and did not themselves beat someone else who was here before them up?
Also history is written by the victor. And the smart & mighty usually are victors.
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At that time it was more Islamic vs Christian identity in crusades.
As for claiming the Palestinians being arabs thats not true either. Palestinians fall under the category of “arabized” arabs, those who became arabs due to arab conquests like egyptions, syrians, sudanese etc. They are people of the land. And another irony is that majority of Palestinians today are more closely related genetically to jews than arabs.
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One DNA study by Nebel found genetic evidence in support of historical records that “part, or perhaps the majority” of Muslim Palestinians descend from “local inhabitants, mainly Christians and Jews, who had converted after the Islamic conquest in the seventh century AD”.[SUP][113]](Palestinians - Wikipedia)[/SUP] They also found substantial genetic overlap between Muslim Palestinians and Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews, though with some significant differences that might be explainable by the geographical isolation of the Jews or by immigration of Arab tribes in the first millennium.