New York Times--More Muslims Immigrate After 9/11

Well, despite claims of “Islamaphobia”, hatred for our foreign policies, seething anger at our values, Muslims are immigratating to the US in record numbers. Go figure. Photos showing pictures of Pakistanis in traditional dress, and American flags flying. Huh? It appears that there is something compelling about the US lifestyle despite what the Islamofacist/Leftist caricature may be. The Moderate Muslim middle America is getting some good press.

(And damn those Jews running the New York Times who publish this trash!)

America’s newest Muslims arrive in the afternoon crunch at John F. Kennedy International Airport. Their planes land from Dubai, Casablanca and Karachi. They stand in line, clasping documents. They emerge, sometimes hours later, steering their carts toward a flock of relatives, a stream of cabs, a new life.

This was the path for Nur Fatima, a Pakistani woman who moved to Brooklyn six months ago and promptly shed her hijab. Through the same doors walked Nora Elhainy, a Moroccan who sells electronics in Queens, and Ahmed Youssef, an Egyptian who settled in Jersey City, where he gives the call to prayer at a palatial mosque.
“I got freedom in this country,” said Ms. Fatima, 25. “Freedom of everything. Freedom of thought.”
The events of Sept. 11 transformed life for Muslims in the United States, and the flow of immigrants from countries like Egypt, Pakistan and Morocco thinned sharply.
But five years later, as the United States wrestles with questions of terrorism, civil liberties and immigration control, Muslims appear to be moving here again in surprising numbers, according to statistics collected by the Department of Homeland Security and the Census Bureau.
Immigrants from predominantly Muslim countries in the Middle East, North Africa and Asia are planting new roots in states from Virginia to Texas to California.
In 2005, more people from Muslim countries became legal permanent United States residents — nearly 96,000 — than in any year in the previous two decades.
More than 40,000 of them were admitted last year, the highest annual number since the terrorist attacks, according to data on 22 countries provided by the Department of Homeland Security.
Many have made the journey unbowed by tales of immigrant hardship, and despite their own opposition to American policy in the Middle East. They come seeking the same promise that has drawn foreigners to the United States for many decades, according to a range of experts and immigrants: economic opportunity and political freedom.
Those lures, both powerful and familiar, have been enough to conquer fears that America is an inhospitable place for Muslims.
“America has always been the promised land for Muslims and non-Muslims,” said Behzad Yaghmaian, an Iranian exile and author of “Embracing the Infidel: Stories of Muslim Migrants on the Journey West.” “Despite Muslims’ opposition to America’s foreign policy, they still come here because the United States offers what they’re missing at home.”
For Ms. Fatima, it was the freedom to dress as she chose and work as a security guard. For Mr. Youssef, it was the chance to earn a master’s degree.
He came in spite of the deep misgivings that he and many other Egyptians have about the war in Iraq and the Bush administration. In America, he said, one needs to distinguish between the government and the people.
“Who am I dealing with, Bush or the American public?” he said. “Am I dealing with my future in Egypt or my future here?”
Muslims have been settling in the United States in significant numbers since the mid-1960’s, after immigration quotas that favored Eastern Europeans were lifted. Spacious mosques opened in Chicago, Los Angeles and New York as a new, highly educated Muslim population took hold.
Over the next three decades, the story of Muslim migration to the United States was marked by growth and prosperity. A larger percentage of immigrants from Muslim countries have graduate degrees than other American residents, and their average salary is about 20 percent higher, according to census data.
But Sept. 11 altered the course of Muslim life in America. Mosques were vandalized. Hate crimes rose. Deportation proceedings began against thousands of men.
Some Muslims changed their names to avoid job discrimination, making Mohammed “Moe,” and Osama “Sam.” Scores of families left for Canada.
Yet this period also produced something strikingly positive, in the eyes of many Muslims: they began to mobilize politically and socially. Across the country, grass-roots groups expanded to educate Muslims on civil rights, register them to vote and lobby against new federal policies such as the Patriot Act.
“There was the option of becoming introverted or extroverted,” said Agha Saeed, national chairman of the American Muslim Task Force on Civil Rights and Elections, an umbrella organization in Newark, Calif. “We became extroverted.”

In some ways, new Muslim immigrants may be better off in the post-9/11 America they encounter today, say Muslim leaders: Islamic centers are more organized, and resources like English instruction and free legal help are more accessible.
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But outside these newly organized mosques, life remains strained for many Muslims. To avoid taunts, women are often warned not to wear head scarves in public, as was Rubab Razvi, 21, a Pakistani who arrived in Brooklyn nine months ago. (She ignored the advice, even though people stare at her on the bus, she said.) Muslims continue to endure long waits at airports, where they are often tagged for questioning.
To some longtime immigrants, the life embraced by newcomers will never compare to the peaceful era that came before.
“They haven’t seen the America pre-9/11,” said Khwaja Mizan Hassan, 42, who left Bangladesh 30 years ago. He rose to become the president of Jamaica Muslim Center, a mosque in Queens, and has a comfortable job with the New York City Department of Probation.
But after Sept. 11, he was stopped at Kennedy Airport because his name matched one on a watch list.
A Drop, Then a Surge
Up to six million Muslims live in the United States, by some estimates. While the Census Bureau and the Department of Homeland Security do not track religion, both provide statistics on immigrants from predominantly Muslim countries. It is presumed that many of these immigrants are Muslim, but people of other faiths, such as Iraqi Chaldeans and Egyptian Copts, have also come in appreciable numbers.
Immigration from these regions slowed considerably after Sept. 11. Fewer people were issued green cards and nonimmigrant visas. By 2003, the number of immigrants arriving from 22 Muslim countries had declined by more than a third. For students, tourists and other nonimmigrants from these countries, the drop was even more dramatic, with total visits down by nearly half.
The falloff affected immigrants from across the post-9/11 world as America tightened its borders, but it was most pronounced among those moving here from Pakistan, Morocco, Iran and other Muslim nations.
Several factors might explain the drop: more visa applications were rejected due to heightened security procedures, said officials at the State Department and Department of Homeland Security; and fewer people applied for visas.
But starting in 2004, the numbers rebounded. The tally of people coming to live in the United States from Bangladesh, Turkey, Algeria and other Muslim countries rose by 20 percent, according to an analysis of Census Bureau data.
The uptick was also notable among foreigners with nonimmigrant visas. More than 55,000 Indonesians, for instance, were issued those visas last year, compared with roughly 36,000 in 2002.
The rise does not reflect relaxed security measures, but a higher number of visa applications and greater efficiency in processing them, said Chris Bentley, a spokesman for United States Citizenship and Immigration Services, part of Homeland Security.
Like other immigrants, Muslims find their way to the United States in myriad ways: they come as refugees, or as students and tourists. Others arrive with immigrant visas secured by relatives here. A lucky few win the green-card lottery.
Ahmed Youssef, 29, never thought he would be among the winners. But in 2003, Mr. Youssef, who taught Arabic in Egypt, was one of 50,000 people randomly chosen from 9.5 million applicants around the world.
As he prepared to leave Benha, a city north of Cairo, some friends asked him how he could move to a country that is “killing people in Iraq and Afghanistan,” he recalled. But others who had been to the United States encouraged him to go.
He arrived in May 2005, and he found work loading hot dog carts from sunrise to sundown. He shared an apartment in Washington Heights with other Egyptians, but for the first month, he never saw his neighborhood in daylight.
“I joked to my roommates, ‘When am I going to see America?’ ” said Mr. Youssef, a slight man with thinning black hair and an easy smile.
Only three months later, when he began selling hot dogs on Seventh Avenue, did Mr. Youssef discover his new country.
He missed hearing the call to prayer, and thought nothing of unrolling his prayer rug beside his cart until other vendors warned him against it. He could be mistaken for an extremist, they told him.
Eventually, Mr. Youssef found a job as the secretary of the Islamic Center of Jersey City. He plans to apply to a master’s program at Columbia University, specializing in Arabic. For now, he lives in a spare room above the mosque. Near his bed, he keeps a daily log of his prayers. If he makes them on time, he writes “Correct” in Arabic. “I am much better off here than selling hot dogs,” he said.
Awash in American Flags
Nur Fatima landed in Midwood, Brooklyn, at a propitious time. Had she come three years earlier, she would have seen a neighborhood in crisis.
Hundreds of Pakistani immigrants disappeared after being asked to register with the government. Thirty shops closed along a stretch of Coney Island Avenue known as Little Pakistan. The number of new Urdu-speaking pupils at the local elementary school, Public School 217, dropped by half in the 2002-3 school year.
But then Little Pakistan got organized. A local businessman, Moe Razvi, converted a former antique store into a community center offering legal advice, computer classes and English instruction. Local Muslim leaders began meeting with federal agents to soothe relations.
The annual Pakistan Independence Day parade is now awash in American flags.
It is a transformation seen in Muslim immigrant communities around the nation.
“They have to prove that they are living here as Muslim Americans rather than living as Pakistanis and Egyptians and other nationalities,” said Zahid H. Bukhari, the director of the American Muslim Studies Program at Georgetown University.
Ms. Fatima arrived in Brooklyn from Pakistan in March with an immigrant visa. She began by taking English classes at Mr. Razvi’s center, the Council of Peoples Organization.
She has heard stories of the neighborhood’s former plight but sees a different picture.
“This is a land of opportunity,” Ms. Fatima said. “There is equality for everyone.”
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Five days after she came to Brooklyn, Ms. Fatima removed her head scarf, which she had been wearing since she was 10. She began to change her thinking, she said: She liked living in a country where people respected the privacy of others and did not interfere with their religious or social choices.
“I came to the United States because I want to improve myself,” she said. “This is a second birth for me.”

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**OK "Justahumane" time for you to immigrate to the good old USA, or r u already here?:) **

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***Thanks OhioGuy for posting positive news..:slight_smile: ***

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Interesting..
More interesting will be the response from the guys foaming at the mouth and focusing on how Ms Fatima took off her scarf..:hehe:

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***Was that the only thing that caught your attention!:bummer: ***

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:bummer: no…

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Sara, there's no law in Pakistan that tells women to wear scarf. Most of them wear 'dupatta' or 'chadar' because they want to. Some are under pressure to do that just like the woman in the article who had to resist the pressure to do the opposite to comply with social norms in the US. However I don't doubt that America is a more open society in many ways.

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If it was not for the hypersexuality in US or UK societies, i would have stayed there.

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Many thanks for sharing

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Good news.

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Can we have a comparison of Muslim and non-Muslim immigration to the United States in pre 9/11 and post 9/11 periods, and the effects that 9/11 had on their immigration levels. Immigration to the United Kingdom, Australia and European nations has generally increased in the the last few years and non-Muslims make up the bulk of these migrants.
It’s also interesting to note that the colorful people in ‘little Pakistans’ are allowed to stay in the US, but the people like Dr Javed Iqbal and General Yusuf are denied visiting visa by the embassy.

:hmmm:

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No brother, I m already in a country which is secular in true sense, where no one feels suffocated due to religious extremistm, so no need for me to run out of it to feel sense of liberty...........Proud to be Indian brother, U are most welcome here to see and sense its beauty of tolrence and secularism. :)

Thanks

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Good post OG.

It is a virtual slap in the face of two groups

group 1- some muslims who are whining about how anti muslim US is and what nots

group #2- the uber right winger zealots in US who are whining, “oh they hate our democracy” and shyt like that.

Boo yaaa… idiots..

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before we all congratulate ourselves, a few points.

  1. There is a much greater number of applicants from good pakistani universities to europe and australia than before. 50 percent of my batch thats abroad is in Europe and other batches are similar in trend. Prior to 9/11 and the visa delays/hassles/culture shift in america this was probably around 10 percent, and usually the best talent went to America. This is no longer the case.

  2. Virtually every Muslim whos lived in america has faced some sort of "blowback" (in the OG's words) whether it is the special Muslim visa wait time, immigration hassles, increased reporting requirements, or in general looks for looking Muslim-ish. You OG for example have posted here on this forum about discriminating against a Pakistani student for a scholarship for your estimation of his beliefs based on what you read from Pakistani posters. As far as I know nobody enjoys the special treatment, so yes Muslims do feel victimized to varying extent in America.

  3. The sheer number of people that apply to American visas means that even if there is a significant drop in people willing to endure all the above it wouldnt keep the number of succesful applicants from going up IF the US govt streamlines the Visa process, as the article mentions.

  4. The article is a feel good piece, and skews the opinions it represents to those associated with advocacy organizations. If the opinions of Muslims on american freedoms were this unanimously positive we'd see a very, very different Gupshup. And if you think Gupshup has a skewed selection of Anti american posters, you havent really gone to other pakistani forums.

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It's the foreign policy stupid.

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ravage nay farmaya..

before we all congratulate ourselves, a few points.

and a few counter points:) with all due respect of course.

1. There is a much greater number of applicants from good pakistani universities to europe and australia than before. 50 percent of my batch thats abroad is in Europe and other batches are similar in trend. Prior to 9/11 and the visa delays/hassles/culture shift in america this was probably around 10 percent, and usually the best talent went to America. This is no longer the case.

Still is the case, best still come here for the most part. The big decrease that you have seen is in people who were not financially strong and earlier would find side jobs and get paid under the table..ppl would take semesters off, fall out of status and not even get a slap on the wrist, this is simply not that easy anymore ..and those who were coming with one years money and plans to work otherwise.

This also has to do with stricter visa process now. People who would have otherwie gotten visas now will not. type of institution you are going to, financial strength, academic strength play a huge role..we talk about drop in enrollment at ivy league or good universities...take a look at run of the mill colleges and community colleges and you will see that is where the biggest drop is..

2. Virtually every Muslim whos lived in america has faced some sort of "blowback" (in the OG's words) whether it is the special Muslim visa wait time, immigration hassles, increased reporting requirements, or in general looks for looking Muslim-ish. You OG for example have posted here on this forum about discriminating against a Pakistani student for a scholarship for your estimation of his beliefs based on what you read from Pakistani posters. As far as I know nobody enjoys the special treatment, so yes Muslims do feel victimized to varying extent in America.

the same is the case in Europe..

3. The sheer number of people that apply to American visas means that even if there is a significant drop in people willing to endure all the above it wouldnt keep the number of succesful applicants from going up IF the US govt streamlines the Visa process, as the article mentions.

right, but would the sheer number of ppl apply if they really did not ant to move? I really dont see ppl lining up to get a visa for greenland or ecuador.

4. The article is a feel good piece, and skews the opinions it represents to those associated with advocacy organizations. If the opinions of Muslims on american freedoms were this unanimously positive we'd see a very, very different Gupshup. And if you think Gupshup has a skewed selection of Anti american posters, you havent really gone to other pakistani forums.

a dozen or two people on GS constantly screaming agaist US does not make it some GS wide or Pakistani-American wide or Muslim-american wide sentiment.
In the end people should put their mney where their mouth is..the fact that we are free to express ourselves, complain, discuss, ridicule what we see as idiotic actions, laws or attitudes... that fact maks this place worth living my friend.

No one if saying all is hunky dory and there are no issues, but the good still outweighs the bad considerably..and thats why people are still here, and would continue to come here.

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Must give Christian facists nightmares...

On a serious note, for every muslim or a brown skinned person, which would also include latinos...the white majority, read the government, have also made efforts to import at least 10 AIDS infected eastern european/slavic 50-cent whores and their degenerate pimps who also double for the Russian mafia, in order to prop up the dwindling white population...

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ofcourse :slight_smile:

Not really. I have ofcourse a limited exposure and can only speak of the people I personally know or my own experiences. The visa wait times dont really have anything to do with what university your in. I know three kids from my batch who had admissions in Stanford and USC (two in USC), both of which come in top 10 engineering schools. eventually they had to pursue their degrees in LSE.

GIKI grads very often go abroad with funding either RAships or scholarships, so that isnt really an issue. Furthermore amongst students selected for MOST scholarships when admission is a given, a lot choose to pursue their degree in UK.

Those who cannot afford it still get in thru the sneaky ways and still work under the table. You “eventually” do get the visa if your in a good university, “eventually” can be 2 years though.

The principal reason for this is the delay in visas. People dont want to lose their years and put their career on hold to continue their education.

Having lived post 9/11 both in America and Europe I atleast dont feel as welcome in US as I do here. There is a marked improvement in the government’s and the local’s acceptance of Muslims. However Im in UK so that is probably in part due to greater contact with Islam, we’ve had this conversation before :slight_smile:

I didnt deny that people still want to come to America. Infact even if some of the “freedoms” you have as a Muslim are taken away from you right now, if Muslims couldnt vote, and Muslims had to report everytime they moved (well they did) and so on, even if you could be jailed for speaking against Bush there would still be the same queing of people wanting to come.

The longing for freedom argument in the article is nonsensical. Nobody leaves Pakistan for Freedom, not many Muslims anyway. It is generally for economic/educational reasons.

Those who can make that money or get high quality education elsewhere do so. Which bears with my observation that a significantly increased number of the top tier of pakistani graduates dont choose to go to america.

It could be a time specific phenomenon though, since I speak from the context of a class of which the majority of the students are either finished or finishing their graduate education. Perhaps things are getting better for those applying now.

Statistically its a much better sample of Pakistanies than the article anyway :). I grant that idealogues are more motivated to post their political views and WA attracts the looney fringe, but if things were as rosey as the article paints wouldnt you see a much more balanced forum? I mean if you exclude the angraiz and indian loge, its usually just mercenary2k vs expat Pakistanies.

well, do you feel things would be much different if you were hosting this site from Pakistan? Or Sri Lanka?

I dont understand this freedom argument americans always give. Why is it so special that you can complain, discuss or ridicule an idiotic law or attitude? You can complain or ridicule Pakistani laws and attitude too. You wont accomplish much, but people do it. I would say that constitutionally you probably have the same freedom in Congo too. What is special about complaining in America?

The only distinguishing value to living in America is standard of living and oppurtunity to make money. The rest in varying degrees you can get in a lot of other places, including Pakistan. Prior to the saudization, werent there truckloads of Pakistanies in the Gulf?

If tomorrow there was the same money in Bangladesh we’d queue up to go there.

I think that unless there are concentration camps people will keep coming to America in sizeable numbers.

You’ve lived in Saudi Arab right. You know how they treat illegally immigrating Pakistanies. In Muscat, Pakistanies cross over on creaky makeshift rafts. Once (if) over here they live in fear and face jail and deportation if caught. There have been incidents of policemen just shooting the people who had been caught trying to cross over. Yet the stream of people trying to come there, legally or illegally stays the same.

And it isnt because of the freedoms.