Re: New Year in Islam
agreed - there is no signifcance of 1/1 in the Islamic calendar, i dont have problems with ppl celebrating it as long as they dont get stoned or somat, anyway i dont see why the 31/12 of every year should make me want to celebrate it, for me its just like any other day,
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nothing worng in kissing stones thats what makes you closer to god.
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Kissing the black stone is a pagan tradition. The kuffar of Mecca used to do it when idols filled the kaaba. They also walked around the kaaba, just as we do now. When the Prophet destroyed the idols in the kaaba, he kept the traditions of kissing the black stone, and walking around the kaaba.
His point, I believe, and from what I read, was that there is nothing wrong in traditions that pagans USED to practice long ago, since we have the power to change the meaning of any ritual that we want.
ex. Yesterday, the sun might have signified heat in a particular culture.
ex. Today, the sun might signify life in another culture.
You have the same symbol, but the meanings changed over time, and because that is a choice the people of that culture made.
Likewise, what rvikz is trying to say is that since muslims do have traditions that were pagan at one time (like walking around the kaaba and kissing the black stone), but are not pagan anymore because our muslim ancestors CHOSE to change the meaning of the tradition...
Likewise, you can take something like New Years, which might have been celebrated by pagans and have had pagan significance, but we can TODAY, chose to change the meaning of it.
So for example, we celebrate New Years, by going out to a resteraunt, and perhaps spend the evening out, or do shopping, etc, and we watch fireworks, or the ball drop on TV, and have some nice special food made for the occasion. That, to me, is how I celebrate New Years.
Just because someone says "celebrating New Years", it doesnt mean these people are planning on getting drunk and having orgies. Even non-muslim American don't ALL do that kind of stuff. Having drinks is one thing, but do you even KNOW what an orgy is??? How can you say all Americans practice orgies??
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Alirhgt gudia, I hear what you saying. Just to clear up, as you said our Rasul kept the traditions, if we say let's keep these tradtions, isn't like we are taking the place of our Rasul? (God forbid)
I believe there is nothing wrong in going out shopping, eating dinner, just enjoying the time with friends/family like I said before.. Your intention should not be that it's new year and let's go have a good time rather should be let's get together with the same kind of people and just enjoy our dinner/ w/e.
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SubhanAllah! Circumambulating Kabaah was not initially a practice of the pagans. To the best of my knowledge, Kabaah was first established as a place to worship Allah (SWT) by Adam (AS) by the Will of Allah (SWT).
Ibrahim (AS) and his son fixed the place and I believe the basic structure that was put in place by Adam (AS) was found when Ibrahim (AS) was rebuiling Kabaah with his son.
We aren't talking about kissing some ordinary stone just for the heck of it. Black stone is a special stone brought by Jibril (AS) and was put into place by Prophet Muhammad (SAW).
I believe there is a specific relevance to the stone due to which it's kissed and not something pagan.
Feel free to correct me. It's been a while since I've read up on it. I'll try to find out more on it, insha'Allah.
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I believe there is nothing wrong in going out shopping, eating dinner, just enjoying the time with friends/family like I said before.. Your intention should not be that it's new year and let's go have a good time rather should be let's get together with the same kind of people and just enjoy our dinner/ w/e.
So when someone actually follows a practice of the RAsullulah, they are now taking the place of the Rasul. You people are some number. Either I am a hadith rejector or I'm taking place of the Rasul. Guppies need to make up their minds.
And don't you dare tell me what intentions I should or should not have. Who the hell are you?
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Ibrahim (AS) and his son fixed the place and I believe the basic structure that was put in place by Adam (AS) was found when Ibrahim (AS) was rebuiling Kabaah with his son.
We aren't talking about kissing some ordinary stone just for the heck of it. Black stone is a special stone brought by Jibril (AS) and was put into place by Prophet Muhammad (SAW).
I believe there is a specific relevance to the stone due to which it's kissed and not something pagan.
Feel free to correct me. It's been a while since I've read up on it. I'll try to find out more on it, insha'Allah.
I think I had posted a topic on it, since I found out this info, and then I asked around here about it, and it was confirmed by many (who I believe know a lot more about this stuff than I do), as well as some more literature work. Like I said, its quite difficult to do literature searches, since we don't have proper Islamic physical libraries here widespread in the USA, so I have to rely on my limited resources. But there was def. a topic in this very forum about it.
Doing tawaaf and kissing the stone are actually practices that kuffar used to do, which the Prophet kept. His reasoning was that a practice is just a practice, and that we assign meaning to it. If we assigned the first meaning, we can always change it, and the ritual becomes positive instead of negative.
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I was mistaken. I thought Mad Scientist had posted in this thread, but he had not. Please see armughal’s responses and also code-red’s.
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Wow, gudia, anger comes when what again? ;)
Calm yourself. Read my comments carefully and PLEASE do not try to put words in my mouth!
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Oh if you think that's anger, you haven't seen my real anger. I am asking you a simple question. Who do the hell do you think you are to tell other people what intentions to have and what intentions to not have? :)
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Its simple, you are switching the Islamic calender with the Roman calender, which means you are defying what it was passed down by our Prophet (PBUH).
Would you ever do fireworks, go out to dinner and all the other activites you mentioned on the first of Muharram.
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Did the Prophet say that we must follow a lunar calendar only? 
Where did he say that? Pull out a hadith, please, cuz it probably ain’t in the Quran.
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Its something called common sense.
Why would you want to celebrate something else while Islam has its own calender. Its like celebrating Christmas but not Eid ul Fitr.
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No no. No one here is saying to celebrate New Years, and then not to celebrate Eid. No one is replacing Eid with anything else.
Its not common sense. Its a blatant refusal to accept harmless aspects of other cultures. You work according to the non-Islamic calendar don't you? Many muslims do? Are they all doing something wrong? You can't avoid it living in this world, and I think muslims missed the boat of "taking over the world through globalism" some time ago. Now live with the western calendar and the western traditions that are celebrated worldwide. I don't see any harm in it, nor do I see anything in Islam that demands that we only only only use the lunar calendar for everything. Obviously, most muslims use the Western calendar at home and at school and at work.
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Alright at this stage we can clearly see you will not change your mind.
Yes do use common sense, why would Islam say no to celebrating new years, christmas..etc? Because once you get into it, it's hard to get out of it. Let' say you start going out with friends that go to clubs and drink/smoke, once your in, it's hard to get out. All Islam says is that do not even get into it.. Then when you think deeper than what your thinking, you will see what we are talking about. May Allah help you.
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I agree somewot, but i wud just like to point out self-control in those situations. U can have friends who drink or smoke (which isn't even haraam), but when ur with them everyone needs to respect each others' personal choices...and in the end, to me, it's about ur own limits/boundaries and whether or not u want to cross that line.