New US law may cost Pakistan billions of dollars

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This might finally turn the military against the dictator.

New US law may cost Pakistan billions of dollars](http://feeds.bignewsnetwork.com/?sid=310729)

Pakistan could lose up to $1.5 billion a year under a new ban on cash transfers imposed by the Omnibus Appropriations Bill passed earlier this week by the US Congress mandating that Islamabad get a certificate from the State Department on democracy related issues.

‘While many Pakistanis think that the new conditions will have a minor impact of about $50 million in military aid, the real implication is in the fine print which says no cash payments would be made,’ The News reported Thursday.

'This will have a devastating effect as the impact will be felt by the Pakistan Army which has been receiving almost $1.5 billion a year since 2002 under the Coalition Support Fund (CSF) which reimburses all expenses incurred by Pakistan to fight the war on terror and meet the threat of Al Qaeda and Taliban,’ the newspaper added.

In addition to the $3.5 billion in economic and military aid provided under the multi-year aid package, Pakistan has received $7.5 billion to $9.5 billion dollars in CSF since 2002.

The US House of Representatives has now added several conditions for military aid to Pakistan including a tough set of democracy-related benchmarks that require an independent judiciary, a free press, release of political prisoners, restoration of constitutional rights and much more.

Representative John Tierney of Massachusetts, who chairs the sub-committee on government oversight that includes the CSF recently co-authored an op-ed article in a major Washington newspaper with barrister Aitzaz Ahsan, the leader of the lawyers’ movement in Pakistan.

‘This illustrated how deeply the US lawmakers have penetrated in guaranteeing democratic rights for the people of Pakistan,’ The News pointed out.

The Omnibus Appropriations Bill will extend conditions to all aid to Pakistan that qualifies as a cash transfer. The certification process will either slow down CSF payments, which average up to $150 million dollars per month, or see them suspended.

The CSF is used to reimburse coalition countries, primarily Pakistan and Jordan, for logistical, military, and other expenses incurred in supporting US military operations in the war against terror.

These payments are made in amounts as determined by the US defence secretary. Reimbursing coalition partners helps to ensure their contributions yield the maximum benefit to the overall operations of US military forces.

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yet another step in the big game.

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Daleel: I am really surprised that you get excited with news that BigNews prints. I sometime wonder how an intelligent person like you could start taking news on BigNews seriously. :)

The site BigNews, whatever they print is nothing but Bull-shiit-News. If you pay this site, they would even print that Zardari is very famous and popular in USA and that every American loves him, but American politicians are scared of Zardari and feel that Zardari contest Presidential election in USA as independent candidate, Zardari would become President of USA.... well, this is the level of news on the site of BigNews ... I mean Bull-Shiit-News. :D

Actually, what USA gave to Pakistan in Aid during Musharraf rule is not more then couple of billion dollars, and that is also not cash but what happened is that they forgave few hundred million dollars debt that past crook governments took from USA, and impact of that few hundred million dollars (principal plus interest) means Pakistan gained couple of billion dollars and USA shows that they wrote off that few hundred million dollars that effectively means couple of billion dollars for USA treasury (loss of Principal and interest).

As for reimbursement of expenses to Pakistan, that is not 1.5 billion dollars a year as this Bull-**** site quotes (and calls this as coalition support fund), but it is around 800 million dollars a year (or half of what they quoted) and it is not support but reimbursement for goods and services American receives from Pakistan. This money is neither Aid nor Grant to Pakistan. I believe Pakistan received around 5 billion dollars on this basis since 2001.

Overall, even according to USA wildest estimate, during Musharraf rule, or since Oct 1999, Pakistan got around 9 to 10 billion dollars in all types of money from USA government, that (in last 8 years) includes debt forgiveness (around 2 billion dollars), Aid (around 1 billion dollars in various sector), grants (almost nil), earthquake funds (around 0.5 to 1 billion dollars), and expenses that Pakistan charges USA (around 5 billion dollars and most what Pakistan got from USA is in this category, and that was not charity by American expenses that Pakistan charged).

Well, American forces in Afghanistan needs services, for instance supply of fuel (major cost to Pakistan that USA reimburse is fuel that Pakistan supplies to USA in Afghanistan), medical facilities, food and water, intelligence reports and whatever Pakistan incurring expenses for extra Pakistan-Afghan border control.

If Pakistan won't get the payment for all these facilities that USA wants and whatever extra expenses Pakistan incurs at border, Pakistan would stop that, stop whatever facilities Pakistan gives to USA (fuel, water and food supply), and would priorities their expenses at border too. Nothing big deal as what USA is paying Pakistan is not grant or whatever, it is payment for what they are buying, not a charity. I believe that Pakistan should charge USA more for what USA gets from Pakistan as around 800 million dollars a year is very little for what USA gets. If USA thinks that it is expensive for them, they stop asking for it and Pakistan would stop it too.

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The US did hold back about 50 Million dollars this time around and has some strings attached to it...
Thats adds up over the year.

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Bad news for Pakistan = good news for anti-Mush/Pakistan crowd. How shocking.

Not long ago one of your co-conspirators was asking to sanction Pakistan to provide maximum suffering to the people like in Iraq. There is no end to these people's treachery.

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^^ yaara these people are disgrace to flag. They can go to any lowest point to show mush hate...

BRIDAL PICS.
BRIDAL PICS.
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Saleem just for you some more B/S sites:

http://voanews.com/english/2007-12-20-voa18.cfm
http://www.reuters.com/article/asiaCrisis/idUSN20186949
http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5jOjdgxjRXrex3S2_hy0lSqSOMk3A

Sorry I couldn’t find the most reliable sites of all PTV, controlled and run for the benefit of the dictator.

Kehkeshan nice try and nice angle, you are not the only patriot here. So what do you want us to do stand around and not say anything when his policies are destroying Pakistan. Look at it another way any bad news for Pakistan, pro Mush crowd dont want to discuss it because all they are concerned about is his image not what happens to Pakistan. Mush never was and never will be indispensable to Pakistan. There is no end to the treachery of these people and their misguided loyalty. Pakistan will be much better without him.

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Your attempts to put your interest in Musharraf, above any interest in Pakistan is not working.

Musharraf is not bigger than Pakistan, and you know the vast majority of people in Pakistan want him gone.

In regards to 'treachery', your leader Altaf has openly said Pakistan is a mistake that should have never happened. Perhaps you should have a word with him before you accuse anyone else of 'treachery'

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Yeah the only reason why mafia-men support Musharraf is because hes given a khulli chutti for fascism, otherwise we all know how musharraf was a big bad poonjabi wannae dictator before the may mqm killing spree...

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it was on rueters buddy...

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Spock and Daleel :)

Brother, forget Reuters or any media anywhere in world, or any eminent journalists working for any media, because these days it seems that media no where in the world are reporting 100 percent truth (many may not lie, but certainly twist things). Thus, one cannot trust any media unquestioned, and certainly no journalists are trustworthy, as most have started using their profession to spread propaganda for payment, and Pakistani corrupts have made lot of money from corruption and these corrupts are spending lot of money to buy Journalists and media space.

Hence, can’t you both show some logical assumptions? Well, both of you have taken up a name that shows that you should conclude things logically (Spock of star-trek is logical being, and as for daleel, that means reasoning’ and still it seems that assumptions you both advocate, if logic and Reason was personalities, they would have been crying. :)

Brothers, please think. If America has given Aid or grant to Pakistan than Pakistan could not have denied the existence of such Aid or Grant, could it? Pakistan would only deny such Aid or Grant if such Aid or Grants does not exist. This is the logical reasoning.

Example: Let say USA claims that USA gave 5 billion dollars to Pakistan as Grant in last 5 years and gives 1 billion dollars grant every year. If there is truth in it, Pakistan cannot deny that, as denying means calling officials in USA liars. Why?

Because, who take Aid or grants are under obligations and they also know that if giver (USA) is claiming what Aid or Grant they gave, they have to claim because they are answerable to their treasury, plus denying that means bad relation as well as stoppage of such grants.

Bad relations because if American government got Aid and Grants sanctioned for Pakistan from their treasury, and has not given that to Pakistan (as Pakistan is denying that they received it) than it means that people in American government stolen that money. So, when American give grants they have proof too, and thus if Pakistan would deny they would bring the proof out and apart of that, relation would go bad as well as in future there would be no aid or grants for Pakistan.

Hence, it is almost impossible that American would claim that they gave Aid or grant and Pakistan would deny that. Where discrepancy starts? It starts when USA media (or sometime some USA politicians) may claim other reimbursements as Aid or grant what is not really Aid or grants. Sometime they might exaggerate the amount of Aid or Grant too for political reasons, but would not comment if Pakistan would deny that (knowing that what Pakistan is denying is true).

We have to remember that those that give Aid or Grant can exaggerate and recipient country could not do anything other than deny that, because in such situation they can deny without protest from giving country. Hence if USA exaggerates than Pakistan would deny and one has to accept that denial as truth if USA did not protest on that denial.

Hence to me, denial by Pakistan of such Aid and Grant is enough logical daleel to accept that Pakistan did not received any such Aid or Grants, especially when government (Mush government) that is alleged to have received such Aid or Grant is in power and so is the government (Bush government) that media and some journalists are claiming that gave such Aid or Grant. Plus, all are claiming that Pakistan is expecting such Aid and Grant to continue too. I think that it is ridiculously illogical that a government deny such Aid or Grant and still expect it to continue too. :)

Now, if you have intelligent and logical mind, I am sure that you will accept the above argument, but if you do not, then please let me know. Meanwhile, I am looking for article that I have read sometime back, written by top Pakistani official, who under the limelight of all propaganda by American media and Pakistan corrupt politicians, gave the breakdown of all American financial assistance Pakistan received during Musharraf rule and discussed its impact if they are stopped. Once I find the article, I will post it.

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All I said was 'its from reuters' because you were saying bignews or whatever that link was, was not reputable. Aap ney itna lamba lecture de diya...

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:stupid:

After all the hours u spend posting page long replies, u don’t even know how to post properly??? :cb:

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Brother, if something is published in Reuters, that does not mean that what they may have put is completely true, or is it? :slight_smile:

Anyhow, as for Reuters, if you will read carefully, you will notice that they never claimed that Pakistan received billions of dollars in aid or Grant. What Reuters wrote is that, Pakistan use to get $300 million dollars a year in military aid that is now reduced to £250 million a year. Not a big deal, is it?

No one is claiming that USA did not give any Aid or Grant to Pakistan after 11-9-2001. Question is that if they gave 10 billion dollars (around two thousand million dollars a year) or something very little (few hundred million dollars a year). For instance, daleel posted an article claiming that Pakistan would lose $1.5 billion = $1500 million a year. Reuters claims that Pakistan would lose $50 million a year. Is 1500 million dollars same as 50 million dollars? Can you see the difference? According to Reuters, USA was giving around $300 million a year (now USA want to reduce that to $250 million a year), so just think that how can USA stop $1500 million a year (what daleel’s post claims)? Read yourself and think :slight_smile:

http://www.reuters.com/article/asiaCrisis/idUSN20186949

And yea, I am sorry that what post you read was incomplete, because I do not know why but I am having problems with writing the post using ‘Word’ and than transferring that on the forum. I wrote it using ‘Word’ and not directly on forum because I am working and thus managing to write in parts, few minutes at a time :slight_smile:

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right on the money bratha

Aaj Kiss Baat Par Gussa Aaya ??????
Aaj Kiss Baat Par Gussa Aaya ??????
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***Israel also by their own admission is an Aparthied State. Three Million Arab citizens have only two (2) seats in the the Sham Democracy of Israel…

If Pakistan looses so does Israel…:snooty: