Re: New Provinces : Bahawalpur, Multan and Hazarah
The maps of the region through out history, most of the times northern punjab, kp and southern and eastern Afghanistan have remained part of same empires, sindh balochistan and persia have remained part of same empires and then occasionally all these area have been part of same rulers. http://www.paklinks.com/gs/indo-pak-history/557022-maps-of-ancient-subcontinent.html.
Re: New Provinces ; Bahawalpur, Multan and Hazarah
If I am consulted I think potohar and hazara should be merged and form one province as they are the same people.
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According to this guy out of 6 districts of hazara 2 are dominated by hazarawals (haripur, abbotabad and part of mansehra) and that Pashtuns form more than 50 percent of the division. So how can a province be created without taking Pashtuns on board, plus I don’t see the province feasible the population is not big and what would be the source of income of the province? The way we are going I think in the future every galli Mohalla will be a province.
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Lol kohistan and batagram of hazara division want to have a new division of theirs called abaseen.
http://www.thefridaytimes.com/beta2/tft/article.php?issue=20120217&page=6
I think hazara province is dead now.
ANP plans to quell Hazara province move
ISLAMABAD - The Awami National Party government in Khyber-Pakhtunkhawa is giving serious consideration to bifurcate Hazara Division into two divisions, ostensibly to make the administrative control of this area efficient, but the real motive behind the expected move is to frustrate the demand from the area to grant it a status of a province.
Sources in the ANP-led provincial government in Khyber-Pakhtunkhawa informed that a series of meetings in this connection was held and the blue-print of Abaseen Division comprising districts Torgar, Batagram and Kohistan was ready and announcement in this regard would be made any time.
The sources further informed that all the three districts to be included in the proposed Abaseen Division are dominated by the Pushto-speaking population and the move is aimed at quelling or diluting the demand of Hazara province comprising all the six districts in the division including Torgar, Batagram, Kohistan, Abbottabad, Haripur and Manshera.
The sources said that after the tabling of the amendment in the National Assembly for creation of new provinces in Khyber-Pakhtunkhawa and the Punjab by MQM, the ANP govt moved swiftly to frustrate the move. It was proposed in the amendment that referendum should be held in the districts, which would likely to become part of the new provinces in KPK and Punjab, to know the will of the people for and against the formation of new provinces and if majority would give its assent then these areas would be given the status of new provinces. To frustrate this move, the ANP launched a campaign on one hand, while on the other, their members are raising voice against it at the federal level terming the whole exercise as unconstitutional and illegal.
According to them, after the passage of 18th Constitutional Amendment, it had become prerogative of the respective provincial assembly to come up with such move and after getting the resolution passed from the provincial assembly with at least two-thirds majority and send a request to the National Assembly to process it.
On the other hand, the ANP provincial government plan to bifurcate Hazara Division into two divisions, comprising three districts each, is mainly aimed at dividing the voice of the people of Hazara, as according to some insiders the three districts to be separated from existing Hazara Division were not in favour of creation of new province and the Pushto-speaking dominated districts Torgar, Batagram and Kohistan preferred to stay part of Khyber-Pakhtunkhawa.
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The government should divide Punjab into ten provinces because all of the rest it seems will be difficult to make.
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This is the Seraiki province that is being propagated.
Out of the 18-19 districts thought to be part of Seraiki province about 8 have Punjabi speakers as majority. So how should the new province be formed?
Sargodha, Khushab, Jhang, Toba Tek Singh, and Sahiwal are Punjabi cities I dont know why they are included in the Seraiki province? Minus these maybe referendum should be held in Khanewal, Pakpattan and Mianwali (although a seraiki city it might want to go with Punjab). Instead of the 19 districts that are put forward the Seraiki plus Bahwalpur province would realistically have 11-14 districts.
Practically the provinces should be:
Bahawalpur and Bahwalnagar form one province, dont know about the feasibility. And Seraiki province should have Bhakkar, Muzaffargarh, Layyah, DG Khan, Rajanpur, Rahimyarkhan, Multan , Lodhran and maybe Vehari, Pakpattan, Khanewal and Mianwali can decide through referendum.
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This is the Seraiki province that is being propagated.
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This is just foolishness by some one .
Wihari , Pakpatan , Sahiwal , Toba Tek Singh , Jhang will prefer Lahore . Even Sargodha Kushab Mianwali will prefer a new setup .
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Do you know which districts PPP has proposed to be part of the Seraiki province?
The districts in the Blue line are already Punjabi majority, the four ones in red lines are a bit tricky and there should be a referendum there to see what they want to do, and the remaining should form one province. It has become a political issue but I dot think it warrants to have a province for two districts like Bahawalpur/Bahawalnagar.
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Nothing is there .
A commission will be formed which will see about restoration of Bahawalpur province and about new Multan province .
I was looking for some appreciation by all at least from you for my all alone introducing this word 'Multan province' and making it public instead of Saraiki province .
Just Google this and see .
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This is one news that I have been able to find.
Dunya News: Pakistan:-PPP finalises Seraiki province geographic boundari…
The constitution committee of PPP has finalised geographic boundaries of the Seraiki province.
The constitution committee of Pakistan People’s Party has approved the geographic boundaries of the Seraiki province after a lengthy consultation. Those areas are included in the proposed province where Seraiki language is spoken. Bahawalpur, Multan, Dera Ghazi Khan, Dera Ismail Khan, Tank, Mianwali, Bhakar, Khushab, Jhang, Pakpattan, Sargodha and few districts of Sahiwal have been included in the proposed Seraiki province.
Which means:
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Just a political drama to pinch PML N .
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^ its not a fun thing, and the last thing that one can expect from a government to play around with no plan. We are hearing from the government about new provinces for years, by now we should have had the proposed maps from PPP and PMLN both and how they plan to go around creating the province. What would be the mechanism, will there be some referendum or these 12-14 people will decide what ever they want to? Trying to get political mileage of important national issues can create lots of problems in the long run.
There's not that much time before the next elections, ideally they should have let the next government take their time and make the province(s), let the parties go with the manifesto to create new provinces. Its not simplistic to create a province, they want to create them in haste in next 3-4 months but I foresee a lot of problems as a result which could even delay the next elections which the country cannot afford presently.
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^ its not a fun thing, and the last thing that one can expect from a government to play around with no plan. We are hearing from the government about new provinces for years, by now we should have had the proposed maps from PPP and PMLN both and how they plan to go around creating the province. What would be the mechanism, will there be some referendum or these 12-14 people will decide what ever they want to? Trying to get mileage of important national issues can create lots of problems in the long run.
I am looking these maps since 70s . Actually there is one Taj Muhammad Langah ,a MNA of 70s and interestingly Langah family ruled Multan for some time , He created this name 'Saraikistan' and made his own Saraiki party . He could never win a MPA seat after that but he created some voice for a new province .
My proposal about promoting five divisions of each province is still more valid than the proposals of creating new provinces .
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Dividing Punjab in three provinces will be actually be beneficial for present Punjab if they don't divide Sind. Present Punjab will get 50% representation in Senate which is more in line with the population which is presently 62%.. instead of present 25%. Present Punjab will also benefit as far as resource allocation.. last but not least the electoral body to elect President of Pakistan will have at least 50% dependence on present Punjab..
Council of Common interest will have 50% representation of present Punjab which will result in greater share in water distribution. Present day Punjab will have a better bargaining position in negotiating the concurrent list with 50% voting rights..
South Punjab has a great potential in agriculture if they are able to negotiate a good water accord from federation (and with 40% representation from South punjab in federation due to two provinces from this region it will not be a difficult task) .. there are vast pieces of uncultivated land in Cholistan region due to lack of irrigation water. This can in fact be a good news for cotton crop in Pakistan..
I think if two more provinces are made from South Punjab.. it will be impossible to stop construction of Kalabagh dam.. because the greatest beneficiary of this project will be this region..
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Some people include mianwali in seraiki province.But isnt mianwali closer to lahore than multan in terms of distance.
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you are right . Thull area including Sargoha and Khushab Mianwali and Bhakkar should be the fifth administrative unit of Punjab . We did no work on our regions except slogans ,even we spoiled the great administrative approach of the Britishers .
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Here is the proposed map of Pakistan. Many members think that Punjab should be divided into 4-5 smaller provinces.
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Think Tank doesn't understand value of Qalat .
It is very easy to work at photo shop .
Re: New Provinces : Bahawalpur, Multan and Hazarah
Promote Administrative Divisions before Making New Provinces .
Let the people of each province to decide their future.
I wanted to repeat my proposal for giving more powers to divisions , You can call them States,Sub provinces or Regions .
I will be very happy To see it repeated by some one in better English .
Look here first .
http://www.mybahawalpur.com/bahawalpur-maps/pakmap.jpg
In the light of 18th amendment provinces have got more powers and now able to do more.
If you look at history and our present regions all the four provinces have a natural division of five each.
Sindh
Karachi, Larkana, Hyderabd, Khairpur and Sukkur
Punjab
Bahwalpur, Multan. Pothohar,Lahore and Thull (Sargodh ,Mianwali etc)
KP
Peshawar ,Malakand,Hazarah, Dera and FATA
Baluchistan
Kalat ,Kharan ,
Las Bela ,
Makran
and Quetta Zhob , excluding enclave of Gawadar.
(Gawadar Enclave and Rajanpur should be given status of Federal Districts)
Gawadar should be made a 100% free port
We can give them all a present status of Sub provinces with a deputy governor and minimum 50 % provincial rights to their councils may be consisting the elected MNAs , MPAs and senators.
They should be given a five to ten years time to act as sub province and later they could ask more or less.
Please read the whole thread once again and start discussing.
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I think the PM has converted it into a political issue he wants a big Seraiki province so as to cash it in the next elections, where as if they go for administrative division it should have a Bahawalpur and Multan provinces. Sahiwal is a Punjabi district, and only 2-3 hours away from Lahore, they are adding some areas of Sahiwal into the province as well. Plus if they include DI Khan/Tank as well that would further complicate the issue.
Bilkul tank aur DI khan ka masla paicheeda he. Tank is 90% pashtuns, it was never part of seraiki belt, seraiki speaking jats live only in tank city. DI khan though a seraiki-majority district, consist of two zones. Eastren portion of district adjacent with punjab is entirely seraiki speaking jat populated area, it is very fertile and has dense population. Westren portion adjacent to waziristan, has pashtun tribes like gandapur, miankhel, babar, kundi etc. Moreover F.R DI khan , adjacent to zhoab district of balochistan is inhabited by pashto speaking sherani tribe. Also population of paniala region of DI khan, near shiekh badin mountains, is marwat who are pashtun.DI khan is a mixed district, there are pashtun influences over jatts and there are seraiki influences over pashtuns. If you hear seraiki of DIkhan, its accent is close to pashto.
