Re: New Province: Khattak = FATA+DI Khan+ Mianwali
tmx it wouldn’t resolve the wishes of pakhtuns who wish the province’s name to be pakhtunkhwa..
Re: New Province: Khattak = FATA+DI Khan+ Mianwali
Then what about the other ethnicities, if we actually name it pakhtunkhwa, it wont resolve that either. I mean the whole context of changing the name of the pronvince has to do with the fact that its called 'NWFP' not identifying it ethnically.
Re: New Province: Khattak = FATA+DI Khan+ Mianwali
by ours you mean Pakistanis…
Re: New Province: Khattak = FATA+DI Khan+ Mianwali
Pashtun. It was in response to your homeboys weak knowledge on pashtuns. Plus pashtun, pakhtun, ethnic afghan are the same thing, this is a fact, if you can disprove it than show me proof. Khushal baba is the authority on pashto nationalism, and is the national poet of Afghanistan, you may the first trying to discredit what he is saying.
Re: New Province: Khattak = FATA+DI Khan+ Mianwali
so sabzi man, why dont you try taking it from the baluchis? Im sure they will just hand it to you in a silver platter lol
Re: New Province: Khattak = FATA+DI Khan+ Mianwali
tmx you are one confused kid, lol. I said the northern areas, and the baloch know this fact. How hard is it to understand. The baluch know this fact, we are not telling them to give us gwadar or any other place. The norther areas of Baluchistan are pashtun(afghan). If you have prrof otherwise kindly show it, or stopping making comments that will make your arguments very weak.
Re: New Province: Khattak = FATA+DI Khan+ Mianwali
People let's get back to the topic! Here is the issue:
**Problem: **It is insane that we have a 18th century style law-less area called FATA while the rest of the world surges ahead in 21st century. Federal government should quit managing this region.
*Option X: **We should add southern areas such as DI Khan, and even Mianwali to FATA and call it Khattak province. This would allow local people to be MPAs and their own Chief minister and a Governor.
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Option Y: **Another option is to have Peshawar take over FATA. That hasn't been proposed and I doubt Frontier assembly can manage FATA the way tribals want.
Option Y may work out, but FATA has resisted and Peshawar hasn't tried to raise this issue in a positive way.
Option X is the alternative that some of the Pushtoons on this forum prefer.
The bottom line is that Feds should not be managing FATA. People of FATA should be allowed to elect their provincial representatives. If these MPAs can sit and legislate from Peshwar, that will be great. Otherwise we should help them set up their assembly in a relatively central location of FATA.
What city in FATA will be more suitable for Khattack's capital?
It is good that we add some Punjab or Frontier cities in the Khattack province. Otherwise tribal areas will remain tribal with no urban centers.
What do yo guys say?
Re: New Province: Khattak = FATA+DI Khan+ Mianwali
There is no such thing as afghan anymore in Pakistan, baluchistan is baluchistan, no other argument exists. The boundary that defines Baluchistan as a province of PAkistan, stays like that, nothing will be changed, just like it wasnt for the last 60 years. You may come up with all the wishful thinking you want, but it wont happen.
Re: New Province: Khattak = FATA+DI Khan+ Mianwali
then why do pashtuns form pakistan still have afghan on their domicile and identity card. Tmx it wouldn't kill if you actually back your terribly weak argumetns with facts. I am waiting on them.
Of those options I would prefer peshwar taking the tribal areas. I am not of the favor of further politically dividing the pashtuns anymore than they are. This is a good beginning for the full unification of pashtuns east of the durand. The tribal areas need serious changes.
Re: New Province: Khattak = FATA+DI Khan+ Mianwali
**Problem: **It is insane that we have a 18th century style law-less area called FATA while the rest of the world surges ahead in 21st century. Federal government should quit managing this region.
**Option X: **We should add southern areas such as DI Khan, and even Mianwali to FATA and call it Khattak province. This would allow local people to be MPAs and their own Chief minister and a Governor.
**Option Y: **Another option is to have Peshawar take over FATA. That hasn't been proposed and I doubt Frontier assembly can manage FATA the way tribals want.
Option Y may work out, but FATA has resisted and Peshawar hasn't tried to raise this issue in a positive way.
Option X is the alternative that some of the Pushtoons on this forum prefer.
The bottom line is that Feds should not be managing FATA. People of FATA should be allowed to elect their provincial representatives. If these MPAs can sit and legislate from Peshwar, that will be great. Otherwise we should help them set up their assembly in a relatively central location of FATA.
What city in FATA will be more suitable for Khattack's capital?
It is good that we add some Punjab or Frontier cities in the Khattack province. Otherwise tribal areas will remain tribal with no urban centers.
What do yo guys say?
There is no place in FATA that can serve as a central place. Selection of a central place would result in a clash between different tribal agencies. That is why FATA secretariate is based in Peshawar.
Khattak province is not viable at all for a number of reasons. For example, if you look at the map, Bajuar Agency is located in the extreme north and neghbours Dir, Chitral, and Swat. So are Momand, Khyber, and Orakzai agencies. North and South Waziristan are in the extreme South. (People of Momand, Bajaur, Khyber, and Orakzai agancies will never like to go to Mianwali or D.I. Khan for solution of problems). Moreover, tribals have heavely settled in and interacting with the adjacent settled areas. There is no reason why should they be separated from Peshawar. Demographically, culturally, socially, and economically they are one with the people of settled areas.
FATA status is being retained by a powerful status-quo comprising political institution e.g. political agents, federal/provincial bureaucracy including governer and provincial/federal secrataries, "maliki system", etc. Involved also are inter-provincial and inter-ethnic politics in Pakistan and geostrategic politics of the region. FATA is a wild card in the new great game.
Re: New Province: Khattak = FATA+DI Khan+ Mianwali
dera manana last rora, kho munga pakhthana la pakar day chay fata, pata, ya nwfp tol praydoo aw yo province jor koo. I knwo you might say its easier said than doen, but the quicker the fata dissolves and becomes part of nwfp the better.
Re: New Province: Khattak = FATA+DI Khan+ Mianwali
^ I hate those Afghanistanis who first migrated from Afganistan to Pakistan in millions as Refugees(destroyed the demographics of the country) & now talk about breaking of Pakistan....
Some of them live in India & carries the Indian mindset of breakage of Pakistan....
Re: New Province: Khattak = FATA+DI Khan+ Mianwali
If you are talking about me, I am from peshawar(originally a Esepzye from Swat). Oh yeh for people like me east of the durand its Ethnic Afghan, not afghanistani. You can use that term for Latif pedram not me, I am a Esepzye.
P.S. Stick to the topic, what are you opinions on Antiobl's proposals?
Re: New Province: Khattak = FATA+DI Khan+ Mianwali
The situation is somewhat similar to the Mexican illegal immigrants who come to the US yet retain loyalty to Mexico. They also believe that southwestern US including California, New Mexico were stolen from Mexico and they are there to “re-conquer” that land. Recently there has been a huge backlash against the Mexican immigrants due to this and other factors resulting in anti-immigration laws and counter-protests. I see a peculiar similarity between Mexico-US vs. Afghan-Pak relations.
The solution as per Americans is assimilation into the English speaking American “culture” for the Mexican immigrants and deportation for those who don’t. I personally don’t see that succeeding in Pakistan, since our identity is not nearly as strong as American identity, plus we are not largely a country of immigrants.
Re: New Province: Khattak = FATA+DI Khan+ Mianwali
America is completely different than Pakistan. I mean no one had a problem with these mexicans working for a terrible pay, but when they stated gaining a little influence, adn started to slowly organize themselves, then this was a problem to the Americans. Regarding the idea of regaining lost mexican territory, I doubt mexico is interested (except for a few hard-headed nationalists), but there is an aztlan movement. I would call that a more latino than mexican (in the sense that mexicans are not the only latin americans there).
Re: New Province: Khattak = FATA+DI Khan+ Mianwali
Some of them live in India & carries the Indian mindset of breakage of Pakistan....
Strange logic! Break the unity of Pashtuns and other ethnicities to build culturally and ethnically a Punjabized/Indianized Pakistan!
Re: New Province: Khattak = FATA+DI Khan+ Mianwali
Pathan people are simply insecure. If you had any confidence in your own society and culture, borders would be irrelevant (Although the Durrand line is hardly a border). I keep asking the same question, but lacking any inteligable answer, champions of the Pashtun people either ignore it or get aggresive. Question is, why would Pathan culture cease to exist in Pakistan? Joining Afghanistan, would be the same as now where you would live among your own people who, already live along side you while in Pakistan (AKA the refugees.).
In Afghanistan, the situation politically is no beeter then in Pakistan, where you have non Pathans as the majority in govt. Economically, Afghanistan is a hopeless.
Lastly, another question is, why arent Pakistani Pathans seeking Afghan citizenship en masse?
Also, you cant deny, If it werent for Pakistan Pathans culture would all have been crushed by the commies anyways. Pathan society has survived because there is a Pakistan. The sooner the Pathans begin to appreciate this fact the better.`
Re: New Province: Khattak = FATA+DI Khan+ Mianwali
Pasthun unity is a joke... You people are simply insecure. If you had any confidence in your own society and culture, borders would be irrelevant (Although the Durrand line is hardly a border)
Besides, if it werent for Pakistan Pathans culture would all have been crushed by the commies anyways. Pathan society has survived because there is a Pakistan. The sooner the Pathans begin to appreciate this fact the better.
Re: New Province: Khattak = FATA+DI Khan+ Mianwali
The situation is very similar. For Pakistani government, Afghan refugees were great when they needed them for the jihad, but after that the story is different. But the people fo Pakistan suffered due to some bad cultural influences from Afghanistan. The same is true for Americans, but there government has only now started to care. And hard-headed nationalists is exactly the term I would use for Greater Pushtunistan advocates.
Re: New Province: Khattak = FATA+DI Khan+ Mianwali
As long as Pakistan is not unnecessarily broken up, I could care less what language you speak in your province or what name you gave your province, or what borders it has (as long Karachi is not in it!). You can make French your national language and name your province after Nasrullah Babar (butcher of Karachi, grandfather of Taliban), and I would not care personally speaking.