hi guys,
i am starting as a new makeup artist here in toronto, and i specialize in makeup only, how important is it to do dupatta pin ups for bridals? what are customer expectations? suggestions please…
also would you suggest me to start with doing other makeups such as party, engagement, event etc and then doing bridals later?
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i think you should definitely know how to set dupatta and do hair for that. because otherwise, what will your brides do? its out of the question to pin it up yoursef, especially if its elaborate as most usually are... its a skill, for sure.
as for what kind of makeup, i'd be open to doing anything... bridal, party, engagements, etc... since you're starting out, its good to do it all and then figure out your strength.
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Dupatta setting is very very important, it could either enhance or reduce the overall look of a bride... maybe you could get someone in your city who already does such a business to teach you? if not, go to pakistan, any beautician there could teach it to you for very little charge I imagine. Good luck :)
Dupatta setting is very very important, it could either enhance or reduce the overall look of a bride... maybe you could get someone in your city who already does such a business to teach you? if not, go to pakistan, any beautician there could teach it to you for very little charge I imagine. Good luck :)
yeah thanks for the advise.........i guess dupatta setting shouldnt be some rocket science........i can figure out how to do it.........as for going to pakistan, i just came back in january, so i am not going anytime soon...........
i think you should definitely know how to set dupatta and do hair for that. because otherwise, what will your brides do? its out of the question to pin it up yoursef, especially if its elaborate as most usually are... its a skill, for sure. as for what kind of makeup, i'd be open to doing anything... bridal, party, engagements, etc... since you're starting out, its good to do it all and then figure out your strength.
yeah i guess ur rite i should be open to all kinds of makeup, koz i do know how to do it, if dupatta setting is taht important, and if i dont know how to do it, even then i should offer? maybe if the bride is open minded we can figure out together right??? after all it shouldnt be that difficult.........as for hair, i am not doing hair at the moment, i do know that there are makeup artists here who do just makeup.....
yeah i guess ur rite i should be open to all kinds of makeup, koz i do know how to do it, if dupatta setting is taht important, and if i dont know how to do it, even then i should offer? maybe if the bride is open minded we can figure out together right??? after all it shouldnt be that difficult.........as for hair, i am not doing hair at the moment, i do know that there are makeup artists here who do just makeup.....
hey u live in toronto right, u should try me out some time for any makeup that u want:) lol!
i think you should definitely know how to set dupatta and do hair for that. because otherwise, what will your brides do? its out of the question to pin it up yoursef, especially if its elaborate as most usually are... its a skill, for sure. as for what kind of makeup, i'd be open to doing anything... bridal, party, engagements, etc... since you're starting out, its good to do it all and then figure out your strength.
hey u live in toronto right, u should try me out some time for any makeup that u want:) lol!
i have gone mad, i am sending my own messages to myself hehehe
Dupatta setting is VERY important Amna..and especially according to hairstyle's sometime's it REALLY bugs me when a bride has a dupatta draped the wrong way! I just wanna re-do it for her.. there are diff ways for every hairstyle be it loose curls, middle-parting or the heavy updo's. The bride has to be comfortable as well, as some dupatta's can really be heavy! And pinning them is important too, no one wants their clothes ripped or torn cuz of badly placed and not enuff pins. =)
Amna you should do all sorts of makeup, as some brides may want model makeup or engagement makeup on their baraat and valima.
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What is the business like where you live? If it's common (and Toronto is huge, so I wouldn't be surprised to see it often done this way), to have a hair stylist AND a makeup artist for weddings, I wouldn't see a problem. I live in Cleveland (much smaller venue), and thus I took courses to learn hair styling. Find a cosmetologist in your area willing to tutor you, or ask if you can assist one. I'd suggest that as well for makeup (assisting an established makeup artist. I'd even go so far as to suggest that you pay a very good one their half day rate to teach you different tricks and skills).
Do you use professional quality makeup? You have to remember that the makeup has to be compatible with photography (i.e. low levels of titanium dioxide= less problems when using a flash camera).
I would NOT jump into doing brides. Bridals are not like model shoots. You get one shot to get these right, for the most important day of these women's lives. I suggest you work practicing with photographers (contact photography departments at local universities), and collaborate with them so you can see how your makeup looks in photographs. Photograph vs. real life can produce shocking differences. The camera catches everything, including "floating head syndrome."
Do that for about a year, and then perhaps you'll be ready for brides.
What is the business like where you live? If it's common (and Toronto is huge, so I wouldn't be surprised to see it often done this way), to have a hair stylist AND a makeup artist for weddings, I wouldn't see a problem. I live in Cleveland (much smaller venue), and thus I took courses to learn hair styling. Find a cosmetologist in your area willing to tutor you, or ask if you can assist one. I'd suggest that as well for makeup (assisting an established makeup artist. I'd even go so far as to suggest that you pay a very good one their half day rate to teach you different tricks and skills).
Do you use professional quality makeup? You have to remember that the makeup has to be compatible with photography (i.e. low levels of titanium dioxide= less problems when using a flash camera).
I would NOT jump into doing brides. Bridals are not like model shoots. You get one shot to get these right, for the most important day of these women's lives. I suggest you work practicing with photographers (contact photography departments at local universities), and collaborate with them so you can see how your makeup looks in photographs. Photograph vs. real life can produce shocking differences. The camera catches everything, including "floating head syndrome."
Do that for about a year, and then perhaps you'll be ready for brides.
its a freelance business, so i work on the side.....i do wana publize myself with the pamphlets i have made, i still have to get them printed, and so that is why i wasnt sure if i should put that i also do bridal makeup......i have learnt professional makup so i dont think i would screw up that persons day, and yes since it is a special day for someone that is why i was asking for suggestions as to should i wait and do other makeups first and then after some add bridal........
Yes, you should definitely wait and try out your techniques with models and photographers before you approach the bridal industry. Lots of pro's in the field take about 2 (as a minimum), years to build their portfolio's and then they start charging. This is to ensure that 1. they deliver the goods, and 2. that they don't undercut other makeup artists' with lower rates (as most aspire to do this full time, and thus must live off their rates).
Also, make sure you don't have to be licensed in your area (unless you are an esthetician, then I guess it doesn't matter!), to do makeup.
If you really feel that you're ready for bridal, I'd say go ahead and print it on the pamphlets. You'll usually have 6 months to a year booked in advance for the brides, and you can do a test run with each bride before the wedding, and take some photo's yourself just to see how it looks.
Sorry if I sound like I'm preaching, I'm just saying this in case you didn't know. Good luck, and let me know if you ever put your stuff online!
its a freelance business, so i work on the side.....i do wana publize myself with the pamphlets i have made, i still have to get them printed, and so that is why i wasnt sure if i should put that i also do bridal makeup......i have learnt professional makup so i dont think i would screw up that persons day, and yes since it is a special day for someone that is why i was asking for suggestions as to should i wait and do other makeups first and then after some add bridal........
yeah i guess ur rite i should be open to all kinds of makeup, koz i do know how to do it, if dupatta setting is taht important, and if i dont know how to do it, even then i should offer? maybe if the bride is open minded we can figure out together right??? after all it shouldnt be that difficult.........as for hair, i am not doing hair at the moment, i do know that there are makeup artists here who do just makeup.....
i *really *don't think you should wing it with the bride on the day of re: her dupatta. as matinee said, this is arguably one of the most important days in their lives, and the last thing a bride needs is to find out the "professional" they've hired doesn't really know what they're doing. its wayyyy too much stress.
i'd practice dupatta and hair on friends and family members before offering that as a service, or finding a hairstylist to collaborate with who knows how to set the dupatta. and if not, then make sure you're at least upfront with any brides who want to sign with you and tell them you're not able to do dupatta settings so its not a shock at the last minute.
don't offer something you can't fulfill... thats the most important thing. you'll lose your client's trust and an angry/unhappy client is one who will make sure everyone knows about you, more than a happy client, and not in a good way either lol
i *really *don't think you should wing it with the bride on the day of re: her dupatta. as matinee said, this is arguably one of the most important days in their lives, and the last thing a bride needs is to find out the "professional" they've hired doesn't really know what they're doing. its wayyyy too much stress. i'd practice dupatta and hair on friends and family members before offering that as a service, or finding a hairstylist to collaborate with who knows how to set the dupatta. and if not, then make sure you're at least upfront with any brides who want to sign with you and tell them you're not able to do dupatta settings so its not a shock at the last minute. don't offer something you can't fulfill... thats the most important thing. you'll lose your client's trust and an angry/unhappy client is one who will make sure everyone knows about you, more than a happy client, and not in a good way either lol
ahaan okay
Dupatta setting is one of the MOST important factors of the whole bridal ensemble... My sister had her make-up done by a Chanel makeup artist, and her hair was done by an Armenian hairstylist, so she had to hire an Indian girl to set her dupatta.
Dupatta setting is one of the MOST important factors of the whole bridal ensemble... My sister had her make-up done by a Chanel makeup artist, and her hair was done by an Armenian hairstylist, so she had to hire an Indian girl to set her dupatta.
oh so that happens, that makeup artists do refuse to set up the dupatta.............well i dont have any problem with setting up the dupatta but its just that i dont know how to do it so thats why ia m a little uncomfortable....what if i cant do it at that time, though i can always figure out........its a matter of learning.
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^ That is a very wrong thinking to hae, thinking that u can just "figure it out"... like SGC said, this person is trusting u for her very important day. If you are not confident and do not know anything and are just "winging it" she will be able to tell and it wil just add to her stress. a stressed out bride = not a happy customer.
Just keep practicing.
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yes... u need to practice.... practice it on models.... friedns... sister... cousins... any one who u can practice on :)
coz yes i agree with other girls.... when a bride will choose u for her makeup, she'll be completely trusting u and she'll be stressed if she gets to know that u'r just practicing it on her, its not difficult... even i m not a makeup artist BUT i think i can do this duppatta setting very well.... hehe :)
so u just need to practice it... n its not that difficult.... gudddddd luck
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Try to see if you can find someone who can teach you. Borrow all different types of bridal dupattas, some heavy, some light, different fabrics and practice over and over again on your sisters or friends. Have them walk around to make sure its set fine and they can easily carry themselves
I had my dupatta set by my makeup artist. She was a professional, had a salon and everything, but she still did not set my dupatta well. I loved what she did with my hair, makeup looked good, but my face was too shiny by the end of the night and in most of the pictures. But dupatta setting was ugg not good! I wanted to kill her. My dupatta was mad heavy, she did not pin it correctly, my neck was about to snap. Halfway through the night I just unpinned it from my head and left it down. So ya, I think dupatta setting is very important. You MUST be able to do it correctly or else dont do it at all and tell your brides upfront first time they talk to you that you do not offer this service
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okay thank u guys.
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i will try and practice before if i wana offer this service, but unfortunately na tu mairay pass itnay heavy dupata hai idhar and neither my sister has it and i dont know too many desi people here..........so what if i practice when they come for a trial?? in that case when they actualy come on the wedding day, every thing will be set, i would know how to do the dupatta and makeup i would had practiced.........what are ur suggestions on that.........