New IRI Polls: 67% of Pakistanis want Mushrraf to go now.

Here is what silent majority is saying to Mushrraf:

Most people believe election will be rigged. 67% want Mushrraf to go now. Lota league has 20% approval ratings going into elections, and 51% of the people said their personal economic situation had worsened. Now if Mushrraf and his league still win election than you know there is something wrong.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/13/world/asia/13pakistan.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1
Most Want Musharraf to Quit, Poll Shows

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By DAVID ROHDE and CARLOTTA GALL
Published: December 13, 2007

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — **The first comprehensive public opinion poll conducted in Pakistan since President Pervez Musharraf declared a state of emergency last month has found that 67 percent of Pakistanis want him to resign immediately and that 70 percent say his government does not deserve re-election.

The poll suggests that Mr. Musharraf will have to engage in substantial vote rigging to have the government of his choice win national elections on Jan. 8.**

The survey also calls into question the view in the United States of Mr. Musharraf as a leader who can effectively rule Pakistan and deliver in the campaign against terrorism. And it suggests that civil unrest could erupt if Mr. Musharraf were to win the election.

The poll was conducted by the International Republican Institute, a nonprofit group based in Washington that is affiliated with the Republican Party and promotes democracy abroad. The results were provided to The New York Times before their release on Thursday.

Pakistan’s two main opposition leaders, Benazir Bhutto and Nawaz Sharif, each a former prime minister, are already accusing Mr. Musharraf of fixing the vote in advance and vowing protests if he prevails.

“If elections are rigged, we are going to need to be in a position like the people of Ukraine were, to protest those elections,” Ms. Bhutto said at a news conference last week. “A plan is under way to rig the elections, and to stop progress towards democracy.”

On Nov. 3, Mr. Musharraf declared a state of emergency, abrogated Pakistan’s Constitution, fired the Supreme Court, blacked out the independent news channels and arrested more than 5,000 of his opponents. Since then, most prisoners have been released and Mr. Musharraf has resigned from his post as army chief, but his actions have “polarized” Pakistani society, according to the poll.

Two-thirds of those surveyed “expressed anger at the current state of affairs, desired change and were anti-Musharraf,” the institute said. And one third “remained supportive of President Musharraf and were positive about the condition of the country.”

An American-backed proposal that Mr. Musharraf form a government with Ms. Bhutto also appears to be deeply unpopular. Sixty percent of Pakistanis polled opposed such a deal, which American officials had hoped would bolster support for Mr. Musharraf.

Instead, 58 percent said they would support a “Grand Opposition Alliance” among Ms. Bhutto, Mr. Sharif and other parties against Mr. Musharraf, a former general who seized power in a 1999 coup. Fifty-six percent said the army, which has intermittently ruled Pakistan since it won independence from Britain 60 years ago, should have no role in civilian government.

If Ms. Bhutto and Mr. Sharif do not form an alliance, the country appears to be headed toward a hung Parliament, according to the poll. Asked which party they would support in elections, 30 percent of those polled said they would support Ms. Bhutto’s party, 25 percent named Mr. Sharif’s and 23 percent favored Mr. Musharraf’s.

The poll was based on the responses of 3,520 randomly selected men and women from across Pakistan, according to the institute. It has a margin of error of plus or minus 1.69 percentage points.

“If they did unite, they would put themselves in a much stronger position,” said Robert Varsalone, the institute’s country director, referring to Ms. Bhutto and Mr. Sharif.

But the two are bitter personal rivals and, according to Pakistani political analysts, unlikely to be able to form a government together. They predicted continued political instability if no party wins the vote decisively, with Mr. Musharraf, Ms. Bhutto and Mr. Sharif all vying to cobble together governing coalitions with smaller parties.

The poll also identified several worrying trends for Mr. Musharraf’s party. Seventy percent of Pakistanis said they felt the country was headed in the wrong direction and 51 percent said their personal economic situation had worsened. And Mr. Sharif, who returned to Pakistan from exile two weeks ago, appears to be drawing center-right voters away from Mr. Musharraf, a key source of his support.

Pakistani and Western observers warn that clear signs already exist that Mr. Musharraf and his supporters are manipulating the election. They fear a repeat of nationwide elections won by Mr. Musharraf’s party in 2002.

“It [is] Pakistan’s most rigged election,” said Ijaz Gilani, chairman of Gallup Pakistan, an Islamabad-based polling and research firm. “Never in our history have we had so much pre-poll and post-poll rigging.”

The irregularities were numerous, according to the opposition and observers, including education requirements that knocked opposition candidates off the ballot and the severe gerrymandering of districts in favor of Mr. Musharraf’s supporters. Long before the race, Ms. Bhutto and Mr. Sharif had been forced into exile, weakening the ability of their parties to function.

As the race approached, Mr. Musharraf took over much of Mr. Sharif’s party, the Pakistan Muslim League. He also passed a requirement that all candidates have a university degree, a measure that knocked some of Ms. Bhutto’s and Mr. Sharif’s strongest candidates off the ballot.

**Ikram Sehgal, a defense analyst and retired army pilot who runs a security company, said government and intelligence officials also engaged in “post-poll rigging,” pressing successful candidates from other parties to defect.

“They would say: ‘You have not paid your taxes, here are the bills. These are the corruption cases against you,’ ” he said.

This year, the country’s election commission, judiciary and local governments are all run by officials loyal to Mr. Musharraf. Analysts say the president has used the state of emergency to create an electoral playing field that favors his candidates, constraining media coverage, public rallies and the length of the campaign.

The dismissal and continued detention of Supreme Court and High Court judges “sent a very strong signal” that election results could not be appealed, according an election observer who spoke on condition of anonymity.**

Instead of the standard 60-day campaign, candidates will have only three weeks after emergency rule, which is expected to end this weekend. Restrictions will remain against rallies and processions, which are only permitted in proscribed places.

And Mr. Musharraf has muzzled the country’s news media, barring live coverage of election rallies and popular political talk shows. Under a new ordinance unilaterally enacted by Mr. Musharraf under emergency rule, television journalists face up to three years in jail for broadcasting “anything which defames or brings into ridicule the head of state.”

In a letter to stations on Monday, government officials accused them of airing live telephone calls from the public that contained “baseless propaganda against Pakistan and incite people to violence.” If the practice continued, they said, station owners and journalists could be jailed.

Fears also exist that government resources are being used in favor of election candidates. The nazim, or district mayor, who controls the local government officials running polling stations, can oversee rigging, Mr. Sehgal said. Opposition parties have demanded they be replaced by neutral officials during the election campaign.

Mr. Sehgal also said law enforcement agencies could shutter polling stations where opposition candidates were expected to do well on the pretext that there were disturbances. “The police find out where they could lose a polling station and they close it early,” he said. “And they put the votes of their party in the box.”

And after ballots are cast, there are concerns about how the vote will be tallied, according to the election observer. Political party observers may be barred from election centers where results from across the constituency will be totaled. “It’s a huge deficiency,” he said.

On Wednesday, Aitzaz Ahsan, a top lawyer who has been under house arrest during the state of emergency was imposed, announced that he was pulling out of the election, in deference to the lawyers who have sought a boycott of elections until the former Supreme Court is restored.

He and other lawyers predict the vote will be rigged. Mr. Sehgal estimates that Pervez Elahi, the former chief minister of Punjab Province and the leading candidate from Mr. Musharraf’s party, can secure 100 seats in Punjab by virtue of his control of government machinery there.

Without rigging, he would only get 45 to 50 seats, he said. Mr. Gilani said his polling has shown 20 percent support for Mr. Musharraf’s party after the emergency.

Re: New IRI Polls: 67% of Pakistanis want Mushrraf to go now.

^^^^

These are not the polls the criminal dictator and his chamchas refer to. They have established their own organisation IPOP to conduct polls and declare results of his choice>>>>

http://dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2007\12\10\story_10-12-2007_pg1_5

Musharraf popularity poll exposed as Internet fraud

By Khalid Hasan

WASHINGTON: A public opinion poll that suggested an increase in President Pervez Musharraf’s popularity since he stepped down as army chief and became a civilian president has one major flaw: the US-based organisation that claims to have conducted the poll does not exist.

A press release issued last week claimed that according to a survey conducted by the US-based International Public Opinion Polls (IPOP), 74 percent of those surveyed had said that Pervez Musharraf would get a boost in popularity as civilian president.

The comprehensive directory of polling and survey research organisations in the United States does not list any organisation by the name of IPOP. Other than the alleged Pakistan survey, IPOP has never conducted any other polls according to its website, information confirmed through an Internet search. The IPOP website (www.ipublicpolls.com) carries no organisational details of IPOP. The PDF version of the poll posted on the website says that IPOP is located in Boston, Massachusetts, and gives its zip code as 02106, which does not exist on the US Post Office’s website.

The press release also claimed that the survey was conducted in Pakistan’s major cities via internet and telephone. Given the relatively limited access to the internet and landline telephone service in Pakistan, the methodology cited remains suspect. The IPOP poll also came up with the finding that 55 percent of those surveyed wanted Pakistan’s political parties to take part in an election under civilian President Pervez Musharraf.

Many newspapers carried the poll received via email. However, Daily Times did not publish it.

Re: New IRI Polls: 67% of Pakistanis want Mushrraf to go now.

^^ hahah I dunno what to say. Its too funny.

Re: New IRI Polls: 67% of Pakistanis want Mushrraf to go now.

The last poll was at 28% in favour of Musharraf! This is one is 33%?

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Oh it was 18%!

http://www.paklinks.com/gs/showthread.php?t=269999&highlight=musharraf's+approval+rating

Re: New IRI Polls: 67% of Pakistanis want Mushrraf to go now.

No surprise here.. You cant treat the constitution like a piece of toilet paper, and think you will win everyones favor...
But what does the dictator car anyway... Since when do dictators care what the people say.

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so if 33% want him to stay that is still a pretty large number innit?
beczuse if the rest of the political vultures have to fight for the remaining piece of the 66% pie, what that mathematically means is that if one person has more support than musharraf, lets say BB gets more than 33%, that would mean all the other players are below him.

dunn start jumping up and down, just analyzing numbers here.

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^ you're spinning numbers to support your worldview Rebel. The specific question of him leaving right away isnt about anyone other than Musharraf, there is no basis for saying whether that represents a comparison with BB/NS/assorted idiots. When the question of comparison with BB and NS comes up, the relevant figure is 23%

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Asked which party they would support in elections, 30 percent of those polled said they would support Ms. Bhutto’s party, 25 percent named Mr. Sharif’s and 23 percent favored Mr. Musharraf’s.

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67% of the country wants Musharraf out right away. Im guessing the breakup of that number would be 30% BB walay, 25% sharif walay, and 5% MMA (erstwhile) and 7% sane people also known as 'civil society'.

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I did say this for a reason :)

dinn work it appears..ppl had to get personal, ..predictable.

not my worldview my man, 33% is a minority but a large minority. can anyone argue with that?

yeah, so 33% of the people dont want him to go now, maybe they want him to go later, after jummah prayers, after spring break, after the FA cup final, who knows, but they dont want him to go NOW. and that is an interesting observation. a minority indeed but a large minority, 33% of 160 mill is not chump change.

and 23% is still a large number wouldn't you say? in a fragmented political situation like in Pakistan, having a quarter of population supprt you makes you a genuine player.

and 33% of teh country wants him to stay on right now.

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What personal? Saying that you're spinning numbers to support your worldview is personal?

Who says 33% is a large minority? Not too long ago Bush had similar approval rating, and it was projected as a disaster of catastrophic proportions

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yeah, so 33% of the people dont want him to go now, maybe they want him to go later, after jummah prayers, after spring break, after the FA cup final, who knows, but they dont want him to go NOW. and that is an interesting observation. a minority indeed but a large minority, 33% of 160 mill is not chump change.

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NO percentage of 160mill is chump change. 18% wasnt either, but its pretty low. It doesnt matter what the size of the population is, since 67 percent is going to be correspondingly larger.

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and 23% is still a large number wouldn't you say? in a fragmented political situation like in Pakistan, having a quarter of population supprt you makes you a genuine player.

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23% is a pretty small number IMO. It makes you the equivalent of Fazlur Rehman/Qazi, basically, definitely not eligible to be the end-all-of-all-power in the country. People regard Imran Khan to be a genuine player, the fact that Musharraf is ruling the country i guess makes him a player by default. Why is that relevant though?

As we see, he would get less support than either of those running against him. So even in Pakistan's fragmented political scene, he would be ineligible to govern.

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and 33% of teh country wants him to stay on right now.
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Even that number isnt ready to support him in elections.

2/3rds of the country wants him to go. If this was a representative parliament he'd be fired.

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okay its not personal, its just cheap.

US is not as fragmented as Pakistan, its just dems ad reps here, libertarians and all dont really register,

sure, but at kinda puts to rest idiotic notions that veryone is against him, 33% is a large number. and in a country like Pakistan where parties have to make coalitions to rule, 33% is huge.,

thats why i used the term player, in a country where both govt and opposition is made up of coalitions, 23% is a big number.

Imran is not a agenuine player , sadly he does not have the type of support that he deserves. and even if he did, his party does not and in a parliamentary system, u know what that means.

but either of those running against him may not have absolute majority, need I say more.

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I am in the 33% block. Wanna know how many people on this side of the isle? yeah about 33%.

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It doesnt appear that Pakistanies are fragmented on the Musharraf question. 67% of him want him to quit. He seems to be the great uniter.

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sure, but at kinda puts to rest idiotic notions that veryone is against him, 33% is a large number. and in a country like Pakistan where parties have to make coalitions to rule, 33% is huge.,

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As far as coalitions is concerned, the relevant number is 23% not 33%. 33% may not want him to quit immediately, but a third of them wouldnt support him in an election.

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thats why i used the term player, in a country where both govt and opposition is made up of coalitions, 23% is a big number.

Imran is not a agenuine player , sadly he does not have the type of support that he deserves. and even if he did, his party does not and in a parliamentary system, u know what that means.

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I dont really know what player and genuine player signifies. The ability to be part of a coalition government? MQM is a genuine player in that case. Does that mean that Pakistanies would want Altaf as head of state?

67% out of 160 million is a very large number, and in no scenario would someone with 23% support be the leader of a coalition govt. Its a minority chunk, and more or less the same as the religious parties used to get. We have never had them governing the country.

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but either of those running against him may not have absolute majority, need I say more.
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Probably wont have absolute majority. But the key thing is there is a difference between people having different preferences in voting (where 30% goes to benazir, 25% to NS and 23 to Mush) and people wanting someone who has power to quit. There is NO evidence that if 30% support Benazir, 70% want her to quit if shes in power. There IS evidence of that for Musharraf.

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a player signifies someone who has the numbers behind him, thats why nawaz, BB, musharaf, qazi, altaf and their parties are players, versus the still unnamed 38 parties that signed APDM, they are not real players..

anyone who has a quarter of the country backing him is a player, and this has nothign to do with whether u like or dislike teh guy, i clarified it from the beginning, just talking numbers here. so if 23% support for musharraf translates into a quarter of the seats in parliament going to PMLQ, then when it comes to coalitions, whether they are ruling or opposition, they will be a force. imagine if a third party in US had 25% seats in the house or senate, or the same in UK. would they not be considered serious players in national politics?

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Not really. Its quite common in USA and Europe that candidate lags behind badly in "opinion polls" and "exit polls" and they manage to pull the victory on election day. .....now don't tell me all those elections of USA, UK, FRANCE etc are rigged ...

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Its just funny how 'some' people think Musharraf and the PML[Q-Lota League] is popular, whereas awaam has nothing but gaaliz for them... Also, do candidates in USA and Europe resort to the following to pull victory on election day lol?

The poll suggests that Mr. Musharraf will have to engage in substantial vote rigging to have the government of his choice win national elections on Jan. 8.

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as usual, nytimes reporters cant tell the difference between their heads and their ass. if you go by this poll which i dont because this poll is crap, musharraf does not have to do any rigging. reason: poll does not take into account votes that will be received by other parties allied with musharraf. mqm obviously will take karachi and jui-f will get large chunks of pukhtun votes in nwfp and baluchistan. moreover anti-mush vote will get divided between ppp and pml-n. people who support musharraf will only vote for one party while anti-mush vote will get divided between ppp and pml. also if you look at the results of last election, % of votes received by pml-q was roughly the same as that indicated by the above poll. however since electoral system in pak has first past the post electoral system, voting percentage does not correspond to number of seats. ppp gets less seats than voting percentage while mqm gets more seats than voting percentage.

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WE WANT HIM OUT PAKISTANIES ARE FED UP WITH ASS OF AN ASS i.e MUSHARRAF

Re: New IRI Polls: 67% of Pakistanis want Mushrraf to go now.

^^... Dreams on

Re: New IRI Polls: 67% of Pakistanis want Mushrraf to go now.

Yeah... Down with Musharaf the dictator...