New Book on How to Beat Wife, The Islamic way.

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An association of women’s groups in Spain is presenting a lawsuit against a Muslim leader whose book, Women in Islam, gives advice on wife-beating.

The author, Imam Mohamed Kamal Mostafa, is a Koranic scholar who leads services at the Mosque in Fuengirola near Malaga on the south coast of Spain.

Women’s groups are demanding that the book, which was recently published, be withdrawn from sale.

The Imam says that his book is directed at the majority of Muslims living outside their country of origin who are, in his words, partially or totally ignorant of the vision that Islam has of women.

Under the heading Abuse, the author discusses whether a husband has the right to beat his wife. He recommends verbal correction followed by a period of sexual abstinence as the best punishment for a wife, but does not rule out a beating as long as it is kept within strict guidelines.

The imam writes that, to avoid serious damage, a husband should never hit his wife in a state of extreme or blind anger.
He should never hit sensitive parts of the body such as the face, head, breasts or stomach.

He should only hit the hands or feet using a rod that is thin and light so that it does not leave scars or bruises on the body.
The husband’s aim, he said, should be to cause psychological suffering and not to humiliate or physically abuse his wife.

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What in the world is something like this supposed to mean?

What is next? How to beat up 'kafirs' the Islamic way!

These are signs of 'MAJOR' deviance from the central tenets of the faith.

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lol....this is the most stupidest article ever!! GOSH YOU PEOPLE.....PHSYCOS OR SOMETHING?? HALARIOUS.......

MAY ALLAH GUIDE THE MOLVIS AND SCHOLARS WITH VERY CONFUSED MENTALITY, AND WIERD PROBLEMS..

VERY DISAPPOINTING ARTICLE

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Don't yell at me! Almost 2 years ago, on this GupShup, I suggested formal educational requirements for mullahs/moulvis and, for Ulemas a broad-based education, not just religious training focused on their owm school of thought. We want unbiased ulemas!

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hi folks!
Its a serious issue .Don’t take it light u all folks.Think as there is much much ignorance esp. in muslims and all these sort of things , i think ,are form of ignorance and illitracey.So doods, in any matter of life if u have some serious problemoo,
remember the teaching of islam . which says that “Consult the holy book and Sunnah”.
U will find solution of ur problems in Quran
and Sunnah.
o.k . see yeah.

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Abdulmalik

So you want "unbiased ulemas" and broad education for all our clergies! The day that happens there will be a mass exodus from sunni Islam and their sunnah!

1) Sunnah was never authorized by the prophet(s)to be written down and followed as the meaning of the Quran.

2) That's exactly what the ulemas did! Not only did they make Sunnah = Quran, but in cases even superior to Quran.

3)By following the 7th century Sunnah, the muslims are forever frozen in the Arabia of the 7th century. This book on how to beat wife - Islamically, is a good example.

4) If muslims follow Sunnah - the acts & sayings of the prophet(s) and not Quran - the message of Allah then the muslims commit SHIRK. They have made Sunnah into a Partner of God. The sunnah was written by scholars like bukhari, muslim, etc 200+years after the passing way of our Prophet(saw).

5)Since the Sunnah are known to contain fabrications & lies they, in fact, constitute the biggest BIDA'H and Innovation in Islam.

6) So, we not only commit shirk but also bida'h by following the Sunnah.

May Allah guide us to the path of Sirat-al Mustaqeem! Ameen!

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A'ouzu billahe minush Shyatanir Rajeem
Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem

Laqad kana lakum fi rasulillahe uswatun hassana (Surah Ahzab: ayaat 21)

Trans: "Verily, you(mulims) have the the best example in the life of Rasullulah (sallallaho Alaihe wasSallam)"

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PS 1: adbulmalik I cant put my critique before reading the book first. The title of the book is fairly disturbing, but this statement is quite noteworthy “He should hit… so that it does not leave scars or bruises on the body.”

PS 2: Thanx shaheen, that's the verse I was looking for. No doubt His life is a perfect example for the whole world. This reminds me of an incidence, Rasool Allah(saw) was once traveling with a caravan. On camels they were some women riding too. A coachman tried to push the camels to move fast. He(sa) said “slow down they are crystals on camels” (??) see how delicate He feels a woman is, so how can one imagine to beat them?

[This message has been edited by Zalim (edited July 27, 2000).]

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I'm surprised no one has quoted the verse from the Quran on the topic yet. Anyone????

Zara

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The partial aya/verse that Shaheen has quoted from the quran or: Laqad kana lakum fi rasulillahe uswatun hassana (Surah Ahzab: ayaat 21)
Trans: "Verily, you(mulims) have the the best example in the life of Rasullulah (sallallaho Alaihe wasSallam)"

Here's the COMPLETE aya from three different scholars:

1) Translation: Pickthall
[al-Ahzab 33:21] Verily in the messenger of Allah ye have a good example for him who looketh unto Allah and the Last Day, and remembereth Allah much.

2) Translation: Yusufali
[al-Ahzab 33:21] Ye have indeed in the Apostle of God a beautiful pattern for any one whose hope is in God and the Final Day, and who engages much in the Praise of God.

3) Translation: Shakir
[al-Ahzab 33:21] Certainly you have in the Apostle of Allah an excellent exemplar for him who hopes in Allah and the latter day and remembers Allah much.

To Shaheen and the orthodoxy, the aya means that:
the Quran is Equal to the Sunnah and, meanings of Quran can be found in the 7th century Sunnah and, for all eternity!

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I meant on the topic of beating your wife.
Zara

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My post was in response to Shaheen and his claim that to follow the 7th century Sunnah written by bukhari, muslim & others for all eternity is commanded in the quran.

Why not post the aya that you refer to with your understanding of it:
1)in context of today or,
2)in context of the sunnah.

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I meant on the topic of beating your wife.<<

"Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allâh has made one of them to excel the other, and because they spend (to support them) from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient (to Allâh and to their husbands), and guard in the husband's absence what Allâh orders them to guard (e.g. their chastity, their husband's property, etc.). As to those women on whose part you see ill­conduct, admonish them (first), (next), refuse to share their beds, (and last) beat them (lightly, if it is useful), but if they return to obedience, seek not against them means (of annoyance). Surely, Allâh is Ever Most High, Most Great." (3:34)

Why not post the aya that you refer to with your understanding of it:
1)in context of today <<

facep, why not post the translation of the above ayah by your 'religious authority' Mr. Rashad Khalifa, supposedly chosen by God. I'm sure you'll agree that he understood the religion "in context of today", or are his 10 year old rulings already out of date as well.

come'n show me where the "beef" is or you just all mouth.

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salafi,

I mentioned this to you before: The guidance of the divine laws comes from the ‘Religious Authority’ not from you or me; or the neighbourhood moulvi. However, you continue to claim that authority to understand the meanings of the Quran by bringing up ayas that have been twisted, over the ages, to the advantage of men. In support of that position you provide examples from the 7th century Sunnahs that were not authorised by the Prophet(saw) and are known to be corrupt & adulterated . Even if the sunnahs are not corrupt they reflect 7th century and are not relevant in the 21st century.

If you practise the aya [3:34]in the way you or the moulvi author of the book would like to then the civilised world would grab you by the neck for human rights violation & cruelty. That’s what Amnesty International did, very recently, to the Islamic State of Saudi Arabia for excessive human rights violation. The moulvi, in writing the book, was clearly sending the message that men are superior and can punish women to keep them under control and was, in all probability, influenced by the aya 3:34 in its literalist tradition, or taken word for word. In which case it negated all that Quran & Islam stands for.

Saudia is a good example of how you, salafi, think and would interpret this & other ayas. The Saudia’s protestations would be same as yours and the moulvi author, that Islam gives more protection to women than any systems and they are following Allah’s command. This is what the Saudia minister claimed in a protest against Amnesty’s report. Imagine, the silliness of such a statement, released to the world press, claiming that Saudia’s Islam gives more rights to women than any other systems. True Islam is based on equality for all and Saudia is not even Islam leave alone ‘true’. This is the ‘beef’ that you - salafi speaks about. There is no beef in today’s Islam! It is spiritually bankrupt – a hollow shell!

The source of guidance has to be the Quran subject to what we call evolving interpretations. Instead, the majority have sought to seek that from the Sunnah of the 7th century ‘wild & uncivilized Arabia’. Check out the following:

[an-Nisa’ 4:59] “O ye who believe! Obey Allah, and obey the messenger and those of you who are in authority; and if ye have a dispute concerning any matter, refer it to Allah and the messenger if ye are (in truth) believers in Allah and the Last Day. That is better and more seemly in the end.”

“those of you who are in authority” - Who & what is Allah talking about?

[Al-Imran 3:7] “He (God) is He Who Has revealed The Book (Quran) to you. Some of its verses are decisive; they are the Essence of The Book and the others are ambiguous; so as for those in whose hearts there is perversity, they follow the part of it which is ambiguous, seeking to mislead (people) and seeking to give it (their own) interpretation. But none knows its interpretation, Save God and those who are firmly established in Knowledge.”

“But none knows its interpretation, Save God and those who are firmly established in Knowledge." – Who & what is Allah talking about?

[al-`Ankabut 29:49] Nay, here are Signs self-evident in the hearts of those endowed with knowledge: and none but the unjust reject Our Signs.

“those endowed with knowledge” – Who & what is Allah talking about?

[al-A`raf 7:181] Of those We have created are people who direct (others) with truth. And dispense justice therewith.

” people who direct (others) with truth. And dispense justice therewith” – Who & what is Allah talking about?

The majority couldn’t answer those points in the Quran; so, they linked up with the 7rh century Sunnah as guidance for all eternity. The meanings of verses/ayas have to be considered in context & in relation to the other ayas according to talim & tawil and this would be as per “the religious authority” that the above ayas refer to. One aya may not be relevant while another aya/ayas may be more suitable at a given point in time & place. This is how the sharia’h can be made into an evolving & equitable set of guidance. Today, the Sunnah is the Sharia’h and there can never be anything ‘evolving’ with the Prophet’s Sunnah. When reading ayas pertaining to women keep the following link handy because all guidance has to be based on equity. Anything short of equitable is not acceptable. If your Allah has problems with this then He can stew on it!
http://www.jannah.org/sisters/statuswomen.html

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faceup!
Do u know about Ijtehaad????

Please, give your understanding and angle of view on it.

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faceup,

I stated a specific ayah for a specific law. I did not state any sunnah/hadith in this specific case. I suggest you look up the meaning of the word 'twist'. Amongst the most deviated people ever to have translated the Qur'an is your religious authority Rashad Khalifa (a complete rejector of the Sunnah/hadith), who tried very hard to make the Qur'an compliant to Amnesty International like faceup. But the ayah is so clear that not even he could just brush it under the carpet. This is a verbatim quote from Rashad Khalifa's translation.

"[4:34] The men are made responsible for the women, and GOD has endowed them with certain qualities, and made them the bread earners. The righteous women will cheerfully accept this arrangement, since it is GOD's commandment, and honor their husbands during their absence. If you experience rebellion from the women, you shall first talk to them, then (you may use negative incentives like) deserting them in bed, then you may (as a last alternative) beat them. If they obey you, you are not permitted to transgress against them. GOD is Most High, Supreme."

And I'm sure you are aware of my persistant demand, if Rashad Khalifa is not your 'Religious Authority'then who/what is then?

I noticed, every time I ask him this question he does a runner.

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Faceup,
thanks for the overview which included some aspects of Fiqh & Ijmat. Even though Fiqh means "varying interpretations", one will never see examples of that. Fiqh is the ijmat of the mighty few who have managed to create the laws of Sharia'h in their version; and, in their version women & non-muslims are secondary and subservient to the glory of their extremist Islam.

SALAFI,
The aya 3:34 when revealed in the 7th century was still a blessing to the women-folk of pre-Islam, for it elevated their status which at the time was lower than cattle. Allah's blessings comes in stages - If Allah had, all at once, put women at par with men, then the Prophet(pbuh)would have had an Arabian civil war in his hands.

Christianity,in the middle ages, went thru the same phase that Orthodox Islam is under-going. In the end, Catholic Church imploded with reforms which saw various progressive denominations take hold. In the end, Progress is unavoidable. Status-Quo is for the losers!

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Abdulmalick,

are you saying this ayah was abrogated. then where is the verse that abrogated it? Please do not invent things and say such & such an ayah does not apply anymore. First bring your evidence, like I have.

Christianity has been abrogated by Islaam, because as you stated, they kept on changing their religion as it suited their desires. Never does Allah tell us to follow the footsteps of the Christians, rather it is forbidden.

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SALafi,

1) You ask: "are you saying this ayah[3:34]was abrogated?"

My response:
ABORTED are the "meanings/interpretations/laws" that this aya conveyed or represented back in the 7th century. This is 21st century and 7th century interpretations, as you suggest, are uncivilized and unGodly/anti-aLLAH.

2) You ask:
"then where is the verse that abrogated it?"

My response:
The Final Revelation or the Quran was delivered & complete. There are no more verses being delivered.

Some muslims, like yourself, have chosen to be 'literalists' or take the Quran for its surface/exterior meaning. This, in fact, freezes the 7th century likeness of the Quran into "all eternity" and denies any "varying interpretations".

So, likewise you should also believe this following aya in its exterior meanings and for all eternity:

[at-Taubah 9:97] "The wandering Arabs are more hard in disbelief and hypocrisy, and more likely to be ignorant of the limits which Allah hath revealed unto His messenger. And Allah is Knower, Wise."

OTHER muslims believe that Allah speaks in parables & similitudes and that Quran has esoteric/tawil meanings. They believe that only the "Religious Authority" (see 7/27 post for relevant ayas)alone can interpret the Quran & guide the ummah as per place & time.

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Brother Salafi!

faceup has chosen to avoid the answer for your legitimate question about his religious authority...

I'm not surprised.... We can expect that from him...

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