People who don't want to 'cause pain' should stop 'consuming' them, simple. People who are 'vegetarians' should not force their ideals on others and vice versa. People who believe 'animal be not pained for consumption' should not force their belief on people who believe otherwise. I can only agree when people oppose causing pain to animal for fun.
So u are among those who WANT to cause pain?
No one is forcing anyone to be a vegatarian, im not sure where ur getting that from...
The point once again, is that we should avoid inflicting needless pain and suffering wherever possible. Islam teaches as much. If there is any way in which we can lessen the suffering of an animal, then its in incumbent upon us to explore such ways further. You don't necessarily have to be a vegetarian to still be compassionate. If a vegetarian life style is not an option, you can still make it so that the animal you consume does not suffer needlessly on its way to ur plate.
If an animal is being killed for consumption why does it matter how it is killed ?
Killing is the ultimate inhumane thing possible one being can inflict on other being.
The animals in jungle kill each other with all the inhumane ways possible , more animals are killed in jungle by other animals than by humans why not take care of that first ?
Can laws be made to stop that cruelty ? Humans and their logic and fantasies are limitless.
If an animal is being killed for consumption why does it matter how it is killed ?
Killing is the ultimate inhumane thing possible one being can inflict on other being.
The animals in jungle kill each other with all the inhumane ways possible , more animals are killed in jungle by other animals than by humans why not take care of that first ?
Can laws be made to stop that cruelty ? Humans and their logic and fantasies are limitless.
Better question is why would anyone want to see an animal suffer, whether its for consumption or any other reason? If cruelty to animals is a sin in life, then certainly cruelty in death is also a sin.
A lion in the jungle kills because it must, and the means it employ's are the only means it has. A lion kills in a very brutal manner, but it does so because that is all it can do. We humans however have other options.
We as humans have evolved beyond other predators. The way in which we slaughter an animal is only limited by the limits we place on ourselves. If we choose to slaughter an animal in brutal manner, we can, but we also have the intellectual and spiritual capacity to choose to employ less barbaric means.
There is nothing wrong with killing an animal for the sake of survival. Where survival is an issue, I say people eat whatever they have available. But where survival is not an issue, and a person can live a perfectly healthy life without resorting to eating meats, it becomes harder to justify.
None the less, its not for me to pass judgement. If people eat meat, its their choice. But we should atleast use what means we have at our disposal to make the slaughter of animals as painless as possible. To not at the very least, try to make the death of animal as painless as possible, when we have the means to do so, is cruel.
No one is forcing anyone to be a vegatarian, im not sure where ur getting that from...
I didn't mean that either, I only used the forcing of one's ideals onto others and used vegetarianism as one.
The point once again,** is that we should avoid inflicting needless pain and suffering wherever possible. Islam teaches as much.** If there is any way in which we can lessen the suffering of an animal, then its in incumbent upon us to explore such ways further. You don't necessarily have to be a vegetarian to still be compassionate. If a vegetarian life style is not an option, you can still make it so that the animal you consume does not suffer needlessly on its way to ur plate.
Islam teaches us to not cause pain on animals other than when sacrificing them.
Arey, where is all this causing pain to animals conversation coming from. They've banned kosher/halal meat...yeh toh sahi baat nahi hai. The muslims and jews are paying taxes. They should fight [not suicide bomb] for their rights [in a mature way].
This is just political trick the muslims and jews will be angry make big fuss and then netherlands government will then say kosher and halal meat is ok. But you people better behave or we will ban again it is a stick to put pressure on communities.
I didn't mean that either, I only used the forcing of one's ideals onto others and used vegetarianism as one.
Islam teaches us to not cause pain on animals other than when sacrificing them.
You said "People who don't want to 'cause pain' should stop 'consuming' them..."
Then you said that vegetarianism should not be forced on people.
So if "stopping pain" means stopping the consumption of animals, then does NOT wanting to stop consuming animals mean NOT wanting to stop pain? So anyone then who is not a vegetarian is supporting cruelty through pain on animals?
I dont recall the Koran ever telling us that we shouldn't cause pain on animals, EXCEPT when sacrificing them. I think the Koran teaches us to AVOID cruelty and pain on all creatures wherever possible. The injunction that we should avoid cruelty should logically apply in all situation where we have the MEANS to avoid such pain. another words, if we can find a way to slaughter animals while minimizing their suffering and still upholding the criteria for something being halal, then the Korans injunction that we should avoid cruelty should make it incumbent on us to explore such means.
And yes I agree that no one has a right to force anyone else to adopt any kind of ideal etc. But some things are just good ideas. For whatever its worth, atleast the Netherlands govts initiative has started some sort of dialogue on the issue.
You said "People who don't want to 'cause pain' should stop 'consuming' them..."
Then you said that vegetarianism should not be forced on people.
So if "stopping pain" means stopping the consumption of animals, then does NOT wanting to stop consuming animals mean NOT wanting to stop pain? So anyone then who is not a vegetarian is supporting cruelty through pain on animals?
I dont recall the Koran ever telling us that we shouldn't cause pain on animals, EXCEPT when sacrificing them. I think the Koran teaches us to AVOID cruelty and pain on all creatures wherever possible. The injunction that we should avoid cruelty should logically apply in all situation where we have the MEANS to avoid such pain. another words, if we can find a way to slaughter animals while minimizing their suffering and still upholding the criteria for something being halal, then the Korans injunction that we should avoid cruelty should make it incumbent on us to explore such means.
And yes** I agree that no one has a right to force anyone else to adopt any kind of ideal** etc. But somethings are just good ideas. For whatever its worth, atleast the Netherlands govts initiative has some sort of dialogue on the issue.
Hence people should not put a ban on slaughtering without stunning animal for consumption, thank you.
Hence people should not put a ban on slaughtering without stunning animal for consumption, thank you.
But I hope you understand my point. While you cannot ban the slaughter without first stunning an animal, perhaps it is prudent, as Muslims who follow a faith that precludes cruelty to animals, that we should consider such an option on our own. If not for them, then for the sake of being better human beings and better Muslims.
Whether or not something is halal is not defined by the level of pain an animal experiences as it dies. Making an animals death as painless as possible is not an affront to the standards of halal, and it fulfills the injunction that we should avoid cruelty to animals as taught by Islam.