Needs/topics we can contribute in?

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okay so we had an extra week for ppl to give their views. we have a lot of good suggestions here. I will try to compile them in a full list and then we can as a group decide what we want to tackle, could be multiple issues,

My view is that we pick a handful, have specific goals in mind, have a team w/ a leader that the team picks for each, and then the team can decide what they want to do and how they will go about doing it.

In the short term, we may just create a subforum for discussions on these specific issues with folders meant for sharing and storing info which can be stickies, threads could be for dicussions.

A promise was made to have a separate area to allow people to collaborate, which will still be done. It may just take a little longer than I thought, but its pointless to wait for that. we can begin and those things will come soon (not an excuse or backing off, just need to figure few things out )

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how about just using a wiki

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hey dude, sure. I am looking for more ideas from ppl on how to go aut doing this. as i said, its not my thing, I just wanted to start the conversation, and let leaders emerge :)

lets figure out the best way to do this

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Ravage,
wiki is a good idea!

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Use sub-forum, Wiki anything but we need to select the easiest topic first. As its gonna be our first time. We need to keep in mind that whatever solution/conclusion we come up with, we have to find ways for implementation.

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^Yes, Cool Breeze, that is also a right practical approach.

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Good one.
These issues may seem to be less important to some but actually they make huge difference.

and this reminds me of another issue i.e. Status Symbol - Egotism among Pakistanis.
Blue Collar jobs aren't considered very respectable. People who make fun of others, don't really mind working in restaurants, factories in Western countries. Need to make Pakistanis realize that no job is less respectable and its perfectly alright to be a street hawker. This could really encourage unemployed people to come forward and feel good working anywhere.

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A burning issue would be introducing Secularism to Pakistan. There needs to be a movement that can convince the masses that secularism does not mean the end of Islam in Pakistan.

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How about human rights voilations in Pakistan.

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Paa Jee Lahore Puhuch key menooN utha dena

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all right guys, here is a list of 34 ideas. I ahve combined some where they were obviously parallel and somene said I garee with so and so. but there are some duplicates that i have left on purpose because 2 ppl may be thinking 2 diff tings along the same topic.

So now its time to work.

I would suggest that we vote for the top 3 topic we think we should address short term i.e. 3 months, and then what would be the next wave of more involved topics we pick up once our initial experiment has been completed and we are more structured, learnt from errors, have more ppl interested etc etc.

But before we have a vote- i would like to have all people explain there ideas

what is it- describe the idea more
what we want to do
how we should go about doing it
how complex or difficult do you think this will be
how long do you think it would take to have a good output
will you be willing to lead the initiative if it was picked as a top area

I suggest we have everyone do this by EOD Monday, gives you 4 days to do that.

why? because I may not vote for something because I dont understand what it is. I may think we are trying to bite off more than we can chew, or I may think that its a minor issue which is not worth the focus. .. and I could be wrong on all counts. So lets make a case for our idea, and then let the people here decide which topics they would like to work on

btw when you vote for a topic you are also volunteerng to serve on that team.

so guys and girls, start typing.

we will have a vote next week.

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1-regulation of domestic workers (servants) - Fraudia
2-need/logic of vocational curriculum at madrassas - Fraudia
3-prosecution of mind corruptors - garamhawthandapani
4- Separation of judiciary and election commission from the executive. - ehsan
5- Provision of basic health and clean water to the people. - ehsan
6- Balochistan issue – Cool Breeze
7- 'Uniformity of education system and standards throughout Pakistan'. - Haris
8- Maintaining law and order - Iconoclast
9- Fighting corruption - Iconoclast
10- Even out the huge socio-economic gap between the rich and poor. - ikharoon
11- Micro finance- Cool Breeze
12- Encourage people to work and not feel ashamed doing something your servant would do - USresident
13- removal of western style uniforms – sind sagar
14- Improving Pakistan’s image in the world – Luxury Item
15-Promotion of small and medium size business in Pak. - sabah
16-Focus on technical education in pre-school. - sabah
17-Banding of Pakistan on national and international level. - sabah
18-Focus on technical investment in Pakistan - sabah
19- Population control. - Victory
20- Basic cleanliness in day to day lives. -Victory
21-Provincial autonomy - Minerva
22- The Role of Religion in Policy and Ideology - Ravage
23- a guide to saving and investing in Pakistan- vroom
24- - The 'Red tape' mentality of our nation – anwaar qureshi
25- Nokar Shahi Vs Afsar Shahi – anwar qureshi
26-Why do people among us, when reached the higher status, do not give a damn about – people whom they belong to. – anwaar qureshi
27- A survey of the impact of NGO think tank policy studies in third world countries: What we can learn from what has been done before - Ravage
28- Status Symbol - Egotism among Pakistanis. – Cool Breeze
29- introducing Secularism to Pakistan- hskhan
30- human rights violations in Pakistan – Light bearer
31- one system of education having both types of education - laeeqkhan
32- Image building - Minerva
33- Population control - Minerva
34- Law and Order situation in the country - Minerva

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Good!:k:

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okay then, so I will take a crack at one of my ideas and explain what I want to do there.

Regulation of Domestic workers-

Background:
There are many servants in Pakistan, and the hypothesis is that the vast majority of them do not get living wages, in addition, there are no standard working hours and vacation, paid holiday type rules.

This contributes to poverty, and these people in general do not have the ability to improve the lives of their next generation due to lack of funds.

The younger domestic workers do not have options to go to schools, in the evening if need be, and are thus being kept from a better future.

Issues:
While many servants get a good life as they d not have boarding and lodging expenses, there is a considerable number that work too many hours for too little pay. True for single home servants versus others like massis who work in a number of homes.

This contributes to poverty, and these people in general do not have the ability to improve the lives of their next generation due to lack of funds.

The younger domestic workers do not have options to go to schools, in the evening if need be, and are thus being kept from a better future.

Regulations are needed in place to protect the domestic workers, give fair wages for work, and allow for ability to invest in themselves and/or their children by regular or vocational/technical training.

What do we want to do and How

Estimate the impact of lack of regulation on this population segment
Quantitative- avg wages compared to poverty guidelines
Qualitative- other issues, living conditions,

Look at experiences of other countries and how they tackled similar issues. Outline key areas of improvement, and share those with recommendations on how to implement those.

Some specifics.

1) Estimate # of domestic workers in Pakistan
2) Do %age segmentation of domestic workers by single household workers versus workers providing their services to multiple houses
3) Estimate avg compensation for different segments- maybe some surveys, does not need to be a statistically valid sample, but as long as it is looking at diff cities and diff parts of a city, we can get a gut feel.
4) compare against poverty levels and cost of living
5) compare 3 & 4 with that of other countries
6) compile rules and regulations from other countries’ domestic workers’ laws and shortlist critical ones that need to be introduced in Pakistan now.
7) discuss possible implementation approaches, how, who, etc

I dont think this will be extremely complex, we can look at any existing research as a baseline or do some basis assessment to get an order of magnitude sort of impact analysis.

I believe that this can be done in a period of 3-4 months max.

I would rather have someone in Pakistan lead this, but I will be willing to lead this, if this is picked as.

Closing thoughts: while I think this subject is important, I do feel that other ideas suggested have more merit, especially those dealing with education. You may see that my own suggested topic #2 has a link here because that suggests offering training, this suggests allowing the opportunity to obtain that training.

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Fraudz, this demands lots of legwork and hands on aproach. To tackle this problem we have to rely on the people living in Pakistan itself. Any volunteers around?
I mean survey min. ten houses in your area. and max. as many as you wish. depending on the number of the volunteers in 2-3 weeks times we should be able get a good data base to start with.

Guys/Gals please give ideas what people like me who are living out of the country can do remotely.

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Although Fraudz i do not see that this work will do anything in improving the working conditions of domestic workers at all in Pakistan at present, yet, it can go a lot way to help gov who (lets hope) in future may take up this issue.

However, getting accurate stats on this will require a lot of effort and systematic owrk on part of may volenteers. Visisting a few houses fcourse is not enogh as wages, working conditions etc will vary from place to place.

We also need help from some statistician who can come up a "plan" on how to go about it and then other volenteers can gather the data accordingly.

I'll try to get in touch with statistician in my hospital if he can help devising a plan.

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light bearer and iconoclast.

I agree with both your points
nothign worth doing is easy

the point that this thread illustrates fairly clearly right now is that many people say things need to change, less actually want to do something, and those that do may not exactly know what to do.

as people outline how they feel the topics they chose need to be

Iconoclast- I stated already that we dont need a statistically valid sample, as long as there is enough variety in sample base one can put a confidence interval on it.

anyways, I am waiting for other people to explain how they want their suggested initiatives to unfold, and then we can pick a few which the group feels are worthwhile and would make an impact. any impact...even minor impct is greater than zero.

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Firadiyay,

good job keeping the discussion focused! I will put my thoughts together and post it before Monday.

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aah man… I have chosen the most difficult things :smiley:

I have to put down my thoughts and what the solution should be in my thinking.. tough cookie… will take some time.. :insha: do it soon:)

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guys please note, we dont have to build our derh eent ki masjid, someone can come back with a simple plan to say we should work as a geographically distributed volunteer force to support an existing project at some existing group. In fact I think it would be foolish for anyone to start a derh eent ki masjid ad the first to do for any initiative should be looking around to see who is already established in that space...who the team can support

reality check is that we are not going to turn pakistan into some utopia, but hey..we spend so much time talling, if we spend some of that doing something, it can only help.