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While on the topic of finding info on Kargil, can someone please remind me how many coffins and body bags were ordered from overseas by Geroge fernandez for the Indian soldiers killed in Kargil :)
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It looks like you hv habit of not reading all the posts. In one of the posts giving a bbc link by PT, it reads 500 coffins were ordered. I asked once before also, about 10 days back but you are still at it that, even if it is 5,000 how does that make you believe that 5000 got killed as if some coffins are to be ordered they are bound to be more in numbers in order to keep some stock. Now plsssss. stop this non-sensical question, and mods should also try and convince this useless post (which has already featured more than 100 times).
Exactly that’s the whole point of Kargil from Pakistans point of view. Why does Pakistan still insists that it was mujahideens and only mujahideens and not regular army personnels despite being exposed even by independent sources and their own soldiers diaries. http://www.time.com/time/asia/asia/magazine/1999/990712/loc1.html
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*Originally posted by s_H_e_I_k_H: *
Unfortunately Pakistan didn't win and weren't beaten either. No doubt that Pakistan should and would have won however Clinton gave puppet Nawaz a phonecall and told him to pull the army out of the area and that they did and from victory Pakistan turned to defeat as as someone said they accomplished nothing and we can thank Nawaz Sharif for that.
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ANd history keeps repeating for Pakistan, now Bush uncle called Busharraf and he pulled carpets from beneath the Talibans, thus putting whatever strategic depth (or whatever they use to call till then) that Pakistan achieved in terms of Afghanistan vis a vis India, at stake and losing it. Do you really thinks US could have attacked Pakistan too, or it would have attacked Afghanistan at all, if Pakistan decided to stick to its policy of cooperation with Afghanistan. So how does NS and Busharraf differentiate in terms of bowing to master US.
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*Originally posted by Pakistani Tiger: *Blah blah
Abay oye, Musharraf didn't accept Talibans. It was NS.
Get your facts straight!
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I thought you knew calling someone 'abey oye' amounts to bad manners
The whole policy supporting the talibans was based on military tactic, talibans were trained by pak army, supported by ISI. There was no particular political reason to support them. OK, leave it, what about period between Mushy taking over and 9/11, who was supporting them or was there an apparent change in pakistan's policy towards talibans. let us see whether mushy supported them till 9/11 or not. Even till uncle sam started screwing your army brass, pak government was insisting on having continued links with talibans (sometimes calling it a door for world to interact with talibans, then calling it a window, then shuttting it down completely as the pressure mounted). As has been pointed out a number of time, you really don't know your facts fully well.
*When two Indian planes were shot down in Pakistan area, why didn't India accept that fact? *
If a plane is knocked down during war, how does it amounts to loss of face. Now go read the time article's link and see why it was difficult for pak army to accept its involvement. The link also gives a photograph of paki army personnels hiding in bunkers. Have you read how they use to cry when calling home knowing fully well that they have entered a one-way road to heaven (as promised).
PT said, India accepted it when pilot was handed over to Red-Cross by Pakistan
Without going into when India accepted, though it is much before you said they accepted, has Pakistan accepted yet that its regulars were involved and it was their army and not volunteer mujahideens that were fighting in Kargil.
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*Originally posted by 2bornot2b: *
I forget, can anyone remind me ho many body bags and aluminium coffins were ordered by George Fernandez.
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*Originally posted by dhir: *
Can some pakistani tell me whether it was their army or mujahideens that tried to occupy Kargil?
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Not tried, but succeeded in occupying it :)
Yes it was the brave army of Pakistan along with northern area locals who were trained in high-altitude warfare. Satisfied? Does it answer your question :D?
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*Originally posted by 5Abi: *
Not tried, but succeeded in occupying it :)
Yes it was the brave army of Pakistan along with northern area locals who were trained in high-altitude warfare. Satisfied? Does it answer your question :D?
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I will tell you what success is - it is what India did to you in Siachen, and is still there. It is what India did to E.Pakistan. Unfortunately, it is not what Pakistan did in Kargil, but if you think so, the brave army of Pakistan along with northern area locals who were trained in high-altitude warfare would surely not hesitate to capture whole of Kashmir's mountaineous areas (which most of it is). And if it is brave, why does it has to wear shalwar-kameez to capture a height and not its own uniform.
