Need Serious Suggestions *bummer*

One of my closest friend is having issues in his marriage and I dun hv a clue abt relationships so I thought to gain sum wisdom over here and then pass it 2 him.

2 give u a background idea, my friend has been living in U.S for past 15 years, he got married couple of yrs ago thru the arranged marriage route. He didn’t knew much about her n jus had met once before the wedding. He hv sum concerns initially coz the girl was over weight but then his family esp his father took his sahi ki class and he had to oblige.

to keep the story short his life has been literally a hell since then, the girl seem to have self-esteem and security issues. She is literally v abusive to her husband, I mean she’ll call him abusive words which even the guys can’t say over pity issues. It’s been 5 yrs since they got married and the situation is worsening day by day. they hv fights ev single day. last week she tried to hurt her self with a broken glass and when the guy tried to stop her she attacked him and he cut his hand. 911 pays regular visits 2 their place for the domestic violence going on.

at 1st encounter she seems a decent girl but when a person starts talking to her the personality issues become evident. she thinks ev 1 around her is her enemy and is tyring to hurt her. she behaves more like a guy then a gal, becoming loud and harsh on smaller ev day things. My friend enrolled her in an accounting coarse so that she gets out of house which might change her way of thinking but she’s not ready to do a job. he again enrolled her in a para medics coarse but she’s not ready to sit in the licence exam. She gets a reasonable budgeted amount for house hold expenses and pocket money, still she makes stupid demands for expensive shoes and bags watching wat other wives are having. my friend earns well but there is a limit for evthing and if he denies then she degrades him v badly saying things like “tum tau mard hi nahin hau, tum kissi qabil nahin hau” n other crap like this. she literally gives ghattya galiyan to her husband. he’s a guy n he gets raged and the situation worsens.

last yr his parents came to visit him and the girl behaved very bad with them also, she created such a fuss and behaved so badly with his parents that my friend has 2 take them 2 a hotel instead. His father was so embarrased and felt so miserable becuase he’s the one who had arranged the marriage with his friend’s daughter but the girl’s father has already died.my friend has stayed away frm his parents fo so many years now he wants them to visit him and stay sum time with him in their last days but that can’t happen. And it’s not that the girl is immature or jahil, she’s 30+ and did graduation but her behavior is like a pind ki larki. When she gets angry she dun even realize wat or 2 whom she is saying.

My friend wud hv easily left her but they hv a child, a son of around 3 1/2 yrs old n he luvs her son soooooooo much. he says that in this age the child needs both his parents n my friend him self can’t live with out his son. but all this daily routine is impacting the kid also, the kid use to b happy, care free child now he just sits in isolated places n keeps quiet, he doesn’t interact with other kids.

As a last resort my friend has sent her wife back to pakistan and sent a message to her family that get her treated sum where or knock sum sense into her. she’has 2 change her behavior owise no need 2 come back. but he was unable to live with out his son so after six months he hv to call her back. she’s the only sister of six brothers may b that’s the false sense of security which makes her do such silly and daring things. ev single day she asks her husband to do her “faysla”. my friend took her to a marriage councellar and a psycatrist but she created a drama over there also. she throws things and shouts on ev 1 around her when she gets angry.

My friend is in such a dilemma, he can’t leave her and dun wanna stay with her. what’s the point of staying in a relationship when there is no love or more then that no respect for each other. it seems like that he had aged twice his age in the past 5 yrs. he’s use 2 b such a nice and caring person, full of life but this relation ship has got the best out of him. he use 2 b so active in the social circle but now he’s out of all of that. he doesn’t concentrate on his job.

I dun hv any idea wat to suggest my friend, I dun understand intimate relationships so I try to avoid giving him suggestion. I simply can’t understand why she wants ruin her own home. if God forbid sumthing bad happens she’s the one who’s going to hv all the drawbacks.

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hmmm, ok you sound like you are actually assuming she enjoys behaving like this...i think she needs help. i mean serious help, take her to the docs...theres no point sitting there frustrated and thinking shes doing this deliberatley, i suspect shes depressed and needs to see a doc.....definalty some issues there...shudve taken her yrs ago...get her some help, fast.before the child is endangered, this is the only solution.

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Wow, that is .....i feel for your friend.

Send her back.

Parents send a new one.

He keeps the child because....

She sounds mentally unstable.

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It's really depressing to hear what's happening to their poor kid. It's better for the kid to live with just one parent, preferably with the father in this case, than in a dysfunctional family. The wife is obviously suffering from something. She's got lots of resentment from the past and is taking it out on the poor husband, from what I hear in you description. For the sake of the child, the woman needs to be treated. If she's really keen on him making a "faysla" then she is obviously wanting a divorce, and this case it seems a little risky because she might just get crazier if the husband mentions it. The woman needs an intervention and anger management classes and a psychiatric evaluation.

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marriage counselor time. we don't even know the girl's side of the story.

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did ur friend tell wat his wife actually wants?wat r the fights n tanay abt? did he ask her wat she really wants n hav they tried to settle issues together...like if she wants to stay home n not take any course or do job y he has to enrol her by force?if she wants to buy stuff set an amount as a monthly allowance that this much i can afford and buy from ur allowance only. y she shouts? is she crazy r does noone really listens to her n she has to yell to make a point.
if they want to separate they both can work it out together n decide abt the son, his custody n visitations or it can b done legally. the son ca live with mom n regularly visit dad or viceversa.
one more thing though i dunno how feasable it is don't leave her but he remarries n lives separately.

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may I add that her male qualities like swearing a lot may have been a result of her coming from a household dominated by males so it's not entirely her fault she is vulgar.

he had taken her 2 docs and counselor but that had been more humiliating for him. When he went back to pakistan to bring her back even then he took him 2 a pschiatrist. now she's not ready 2 go see a doc any more, she says her husband is the 1 with the problems.
I came here 4 help coz i dun want 2 assume, i want 2 understand wat might b going in her mind coz she'a the 1 not telling any 1 any thing

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Your friend needs to be strong about his decision. This woman is totally mentally unstable and definatly needs help. His arguement about his child needing both parents is only valid if the child has no negative affects over the situation. That child will grow up in a house where domestic abuse is present. That is hardly teaching the child any good nor will it guarantee stabilty for the child in the future. He needs to get the child away from his wife, get her family to sort her out and maybe move in with his mother until the wife sorts herself out. Its not an easy decision but if he wants hope for both parents to raise the child then ur friend deffo needs to give her time to sort herself out. Theres noway in hell she should be allowed to treat him that way, It'll only be harmful to his self esteem. That woman needs to get a grip over herself and if she cant then theres a place for peope like her and its called a mental asylum.

You really need to stress to ur friend to make a decision and not to go against it until he's not 100% sure things are getting back to normal, otherwise she'll never sort herself out.

u think he wudn't hv asked her that by now? they hv been married for 5 yrs now. apparently the actual problem is that she dun want 2 discuss any thing, she wants things to go according to her will and when it does not happen she looses her temper which happens quite often. a couple of relatives/close friends who did tried 2 intervene and understand what she wants have already been humiliated badly by her.
her family is not here so in case they get separated she'll be going back to pakistan with their kid. she right now says bad things abt her husband and his family to the child, imagine wat she'll fill in the child's head if they are living separate and that what worries my friend.
I doubt he'll b remarrying again even if they got separate coz he had suffered so much in this marriage that he dun even want 2 think abt a relationship @least not in the near future

I doubt it coz in her household her mother was the 1 dominating in the family and not her father.her father was v submissive and I think she also wants the same thing. It seems like her brothers had given her sum assurance that 1) her husband can't do anything due to the pressure of being in a bradri/clan 2) even if sumthing happens she has 6 brothers to hold on to

Hi Simply Seema,

I understand that the wife's father passed away. But surely she must have some family. Does she have any other relative ( a mother, sibling, uncle/aunt, grandparent) that carries some authority, is fair-minded, and might be able to talk some sense into her? Is it possible to arrange for a discussion between the two families (his family and her family)?

You say that your friend has already tried the help of doctors and counselors. How about an imam? Maybe he can try explaining his situation to an imam and have the imam counsel both of them. Or perhaps...........your friend can arrange a meeting between the elders of his family and the elders of wife's family........and the imam can be present as mediator and guide both parties ? You think that might help?

This woman seems dysfunctional from the way that you've described her. She treats her husband disrespectfully............*but how does she treat her own son?

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I think maybe an imam needs to sit down with your friend and his wife. And in the presence of the imam, maybe your friend should explain to his wife that their marriage is affecting their son.........and that if changes are not made........a legal separation might something to consider in the future. Perhaps if your husband mentions the possibility of the "d-word" (divorce).............it might scare this woman into reflecting over her behavior. Obviously she would know the stigma that "divorce" carries for women and since she's so opposed to working, she'll have to think about how she will financially support her luxurious demands and her son.........without a husband. And it will become harder for her to get married the second time. All these things might make her contemplate her attitude.

If things get worse instead of getting better...........then a divorce can be a source of relief for all parties involved (possibly even the son). If this woman persists in being a demon.......then your friend might even be able to get documentation/evidence from doctors and counselors proving that she's not emotionally stable. And this might even help him get custody of the son..........especially if this woman is ALSO an unfit mother. I don't know much about the legal dealings and I know that this idea might even sound cruel. But a child deserves a healthier home environment..........even if living with one parent is the best way to establish that.

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Ok .. girl did this.. girl did that.. she is horrible , she is pathetic.. okay time up!!

Let us hear the girl sida story now.. ;)

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Honestly, I think it's probably him that has a problem.
First of all, no offense intended, but WHY in the world would he tell you all this?
It seems like you know every little detail about their married life.And your a girl are'nt you?
I think any wife would hate that.
And it's very easy to make yourself seem like a nice guy , and the wife look like a raving lunatic to sympathetic friend, that also happens to be a girl.

If she honestly is THAT crazy, then he is not doing his son any favor by making him live in such a toxic environment.Tell him to at least stop fighting back in-front of the kid.

And when he is telling you all about how horrible his wife is, does he ever admit to him being in the wrong? Or is it always her fault?

s_mk, this is what abusive men do. Portray their wife to be a nutcase, illogical, irrational, have temper tantrums, etc. That's exactly what O.J. Simpson did about his wife. He would say that he was a victim of emotional and mental abuse. He even had the nerve to say she would beat him up, and thus, he was the victim in the relationship. We all know how that story ended

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^ I know.I actually have seen something similar happen as well..where the husband is constantly disrespectful and abusive to his wife in private , and then when she reacts, he tells the whole world, See , I told you she's badtameez and crazy.

I think the 'friend' above has already humiliated his wife enough by taking her to 'oh so many doctors' and 'sending her to Pakistan' to 'knock some sense into her'.
That would make anyone crazy.
I agree with her, it's probably a time for his check-up.
And if she is constantly asking for 'her faisla', she's probably sick of it as well.

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kids are more unstable when parents are fighting or even just shouting.
i am more interested in what kids think about his mother and father.

cuz sometimes guys dont understand that...some gals need more attention. she was the only daughter, and chances are she got spoiled. and i think the guys behavior was always like "o you are my parents choice and not mine".

and i doubt that your friend ever praise anything about her, or her feature.

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i agree with above posters coz if someone is not listened n portrayed as bad they appear bad. may b the girl is not really crazy its just the situations that make her crazy. i also feel she needs more attention n love. if my husband takes me to docs n psychiatric or send me back home or enroll me in courses against my wishes i'll go nuts too. n then there r ppl who don't use words or hands but torture u with silent n cold treatments. i think ur friend is the type who'll torture his wife with his silence n she'll just yell like crazy for attention. n since he's quiet ppl think the yeller is crazy.

I agree with the above posters as well. Your friend is the one with problems,
this is a case of abuse from the man, its very clear cut what Mehnaz has said, they make their wives look crazy while they play victim.
His wife must be really sick of him to be wanting a "faysla".
Your friend took her to the docs in pakistan to show she's crazy, in front of her family and relatives.
If he genuinely cared and loved her then he shouldnt feel "humiliated" at all to take her to the doctors.
"**My friend is in such a dilemma, he can't leave her and dun wanna stay with her" **
To be honest your friend needs to show full commitment to his wife. If he feels this way that he doesnt want to stay with her then he should end it. The way he's been treating her, shows he's the one with problems.

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I do not think we know the entire situation. It also sounds like you're hearing this as a third person and not someone who is close enough to the girl to know the complete story.

My suggestion would have been marriage counseling but a lot of times marriage counselors in the US (is that where you are?) dont know how to advise in arranged marriages. I would suggest the local Imam and then if that doesnt work, an elder from the outside. Not someone from either one of the families as they will be biased.

One more thing...if this guy is so majboor and abused by his wife...how did he manage to put her on a plane and send her back to Pakistan with the message that someone better fix his wife otherwise no need to send her back? It doesnt make any sense to me.

I smell something fishy here.