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proto did somebody else buy it?
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Yes that’s my order, Proto. To begin with, if you see my previous posts, I have really liked most of your work. And that is the reason I came to you for the copy if this dress. However, y r u pointing that it’s my ‘family’ who didn’t like it? Dear, it’s me who don’t think it’s as good as it should have been, and all I did was asked views abt this dress with my family and told you that even they don’t think its up to the mark. Please proto; don’t turn up the words to make all the people go against me. I m not rubbing it on your face, just stating a fact which you didn’t like coz it’s true, unfortunately. As a designer you should welcome criticism instead of getting upset over it. Why didn’t you write the whole story, proto? If you really wanted an honest opinion about this dress then you should have just posted the picture of both the dresses and asked whether the copy is up to the mark or not instead of making it all baised by stating only your prospective.
Secondly, the dress you made definitely doesn’t look worth 16,000 even though you have given all the calculations. I made it very clear to you when I mailed you first time that I want this dress in similar color, fabric and style and the outcome should look GOOD! Proto didn’t I tell you that I want an exact copy? And not to forget you yourself said me that “yes you will make the exact copy!” Proto, why did you put high hopes when you were not sure about doing justice to this dress? I am surprised you didn’t even use the same material when you said you would! If you wanted to give me this kind of accuracy, you could have told me beforehand, I wouldn’t have bothered to give you the order and waste my money. And I never said you anything about the cost when I mailed you. All you said was that you can do the exact and accurate copy within 16,000.
The differences which are **not **obvious to you r: the panel shades are different(even when I gave you clear instruction and told you many times not to add any other color except which is what shown but still you added various shades and if you ever really tried you could have gotten what I wanted), the panel design you have given is completely broad with no definition, the border is completely off from what I expected, (at least you should have gotten me something closer to the original), and the top part of the cloth is a complete different material than what it was supposed to be.
Will you be denying these differences? Actually you know what proto? When you took this order you should have told me that you can’t make the dress as I want. You said me that “actually I donot commit on an outfit if i feel it wont be copied well esp when the client wants an accurate copy.” This proves that I wanted an accurate copy but even after committing to it, you gave me something unexpected. You really think those shades of panel don’t look ugly? Well, all I can say is different people have different taste.
And may I ask you why you are only complaining about me telling you about using bad quality? I also gave other reasons which are very much valid and I think thats why you didn’t include those reasons in here? And yes I definitely think that the materials you used are not as good as it should have been. If those materials are usually expensive, then you should have given me an exact price, coz I told u many times I didn’t want any compromise for the material of this dress.
I gave you not 1 but almost 15 pictures of this dress, which showed from different angles the whole dress. And to my surprise you haven’t even answer my questions to previous email but wrote abt everything else. Why didn’t u answer them?
Is this all you could do to make this dress closest? My question is that why didn’t you use a good brocade material for the top part of this dress, which is exactly what she is wearing. Why did you use a tissue fabric and was it fair to give me a tissue fabric instead of the original fabric used? Proto, aren’t you aware of what cloth is what? And please don’t tell me you only found this kind of banarsi to be used on this dress, when I specifically said I want alike border. Pakistan has a lot of variety, and one can easily find these materials, if they want to. This dress doesn’t have any embroidery on it; therefore the main attention should b given to the border, panel, and the top part of the dress and these should have been done nicely. Pls don’t forget that I also mentioned to you to please get things arranged and make it so that it looks good. I am sorry to say but this dress doesn’t look good at all.
Btw, you have made this whole post sound as if I was very rude to you, which I was never. And even now I m not fighting with you, but asking for a refund because I didn’t get what I asked for!
*@ To Everybody Else Who Thinks This Copy Is Good Enough And Worth It: *
16,000 is definitely not the big issue at all. I have ordered many dresses which are much more expensive than this per suit, for wedding functions, a lot of times, from KhaasBoutique, Benzer world, Bargello, Utsav & HomeIndia so this is definitely not the concern for me and my family. I gave to** Proto** this order because I liked this dress a lot and it was a designer 1 and no other website was selling it but if I m paying 16,000 and I m getting something that doesn’t even look like worth it then of course I wouldn’t want that dress and would like my refund. And yes, I am still very much interested in this outfit, but I m greatly upset because of its outcome!
And for those who think there’s nothing wrong with this outfit are only seeing the extent to which this has been copied, which I also appreciated that she did an OK job, but not what I exactly asked her for.
BTW, pls dnt tell me that if I want this dress like how I am asking for, I need to lend it from Ash or get hers, because I know that this dress can be made more exact as I want and it need not be a designer one. It’s just that you made me believe YOU (Proto) will be able to do so for me. If I don’t like a dress in the picture from any angle, I would not even bother trying it out or asking proto to send me. It’s not like I am making up these issues, I really want this dress but these are the real issues which I have with this dress.
If people don’t think there’s anything wrong with this outfit, would you all be willing to pay 16,000 for the dress that looks like this (plus there’s shipping which brings the cost to ~ 20,000pkr)? Then I suggest you guys buy it coz it seems like you all really liked it!
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^ u keep saying that you were so specific, if so then why didn't u also specify that you wanted brocade on the top?? and she did gives you all the prices, and you haven't even seen the in real life to be able to truly judge it. we don't have to like the dress to see that it's a good copy. we are judging the quality of copying not that actual dress
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^ Dear, do you think i m an expert in this business or proto? For your kind info i mentioned this to her that i want the same material, fabric.. is it so hard to understand this basic requirement for anyone at all, that what same material means? as for the brocade part, she had not 1 but 15 pictures which showed its brocade, then i dont know why this switch happened. I knw she gave me all the prices, and i have no issue regarding that, but the dress still doesnt look worth it, in fact its just ... How much will this dress be different in real life than what it is in the picture? 20% - 60% or 100%? Whatever be the difference in real life, it still wouldnt fix my problem of those panels, borders and top part of the dress. I am sorry but i didnt quite understand the last 3 lines of your post. wt do u mean by "we don't have to like the dress to see that it's a good copy."? and whos judging the actual dress dear, i am judging the copied one only.
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khushif: Kindly check the emails we exchanged before putting up the price quotes here or in the emails you sent me where you mentioned 22k for the dress and here when you say 20k with shipping. it was 16k for the dress and 2500rs for shipping. Anyways, I mentioned that your family didnt like it because YOUR first reaction was 'being happy and excited' to see the dress done when I sent you the pictures of the stitched outfit ; and THEN after a couple of days you said you showed the pictures to your family who didnt like it and you wanted a refund. I told you right away to let me know what you didnt like about the dress and THAT was when you came back after 5 days making up this whole story about the fabric and shades because this was ofcourse the only thing that could not be changed about the dress ! For material , KINDLY enlighten me and others here about what alternate to chiffon do you suggest for the flair? You are contradicting your statements continuously about 'wanting the EXACT copy' and then complaining i didnt make any necessary changes to make it look beautiful !
Anyways, I dont want to waste more time arguing about this issue anymore. I am glad you are here as well , I was waiting for you to show up after I told you about this thread so that it doesnt seem to be one-sided issue. I told you I am putting it up for general reviews and if it is said to be an acceptable copy, I will refund only after it is sold out; even then full refund wont be possible as I am selling it on almost my cost price (a bit less then that) and I have to go through all this additionally. Still I will do whatever is max possible as soon as it is gone.
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It honestly doesn't look like its worth 16,000 ruppees to me. Maybe 5000 rupees. Yep, with that cloth and with the work that went into it. But then again, maybe its just the camera and the dress up close is super beautiful and maybe when someone puts it on, it looks fabulous.
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5,000 RS? She already said that the stitching alone was 5,000! And then 1,500 for the dying and 2,250 for the lace and 2,200 for the chiffon..thats already almost 11,000, plus on top of that the cost of the pure tissue for the top and all that banarsi to go around the bottom..plus her own costs
I do agree that it will probably look much better on the person, clothes never look as good when they are just hanging. The main difference in the suit is that the top piece is longer than the picture, but Proto did acknowledge that and say that that can be changed
Please KINDLY YOU check the email which u send me dated 4th March,
“16000rs for the dress with hijaab
2500+650+650 for shipping to canada (2250 first kg and 650 subsequent kg) for a 3 kg box
i would need 4-6 weeks for it”
pls don’t make me look bad by saying I am giving false info. you have no right to assume what my family thinks just bcoz I mentioned what their views were on this dress. my first reaction was happy and excited, BECAUSE the dress was “almost there” please refer to the email once again and that email itself includes what I didn’t like about the dress, including the panel shade and the broadness of it. I also realized later on that you had used a different material on the top part of the dress which is also y the dress isn’t coming out the way it should have. As for me mailing you after 5 days, I was on a trip to abroad, and was busy therefore as soon as I came back I replied you about what exactly I don’t like in the dress, which I already mentioned in previous email as well, plus these are the valid issues of this dress and not made up, coz if it was made up, it would have been a LIE. And dear, it’s not me but you who are assuming that my family is trying to get back on the money.
You still didn’t bother answering my questions in my post? Is it because you don’t have an answer?
What are you talking about Proto? I am making up this stuff about the fabric and shades, because this cant be changed? So, you agree that the fabric and the shades are not the same! I am here to buy a dress from you not to make up stories. This was a very important occasion I wanted the dress for and I m not going to stoop so low to make up stories or to insult you or destroy your reputation. The issue about the shade and fabric is the TRUTH and not a STORY, as *it’s a real issue for me, and you can’t deny how much I stressed on these two points. *
OK proto, please make sure you read the previous email I sent you and the above post. I might be writing this 6-7th time and I cant stress it any more. I am talking about BROCADE material on the TOP part of the dress. NOT about the chiffon for the flair! Which statement are you talking about that I contradicted? That I want an exact copy? I don’t see any contradicting statement here. Which changes did you make? Just changing the length of that tissue fabric wouldn’t make it turn the top part into a brocade material or make the panels and shades (whitish pink instead of that peach color) as close to the picture as I want.
I am not arguing here, we are discussing something which is very important between a client and a designer. Your first post is what people will look at and judge the whole situation, so its already one sided and me writing here is not going to make any difference. See, I m not having fun here sitting and going through all this and reading abt people starting to assume what my family “thought and how I am making up stories” just bcoz of ur wrong wordings or assumptions. Its really hurtful to see how people can act so immaturely without even knowing the whole true situation.
I took ur words tht u will make d dress as it was requested n y should I b at loss when u were d one who wasn’t able to keep ur words. I would like a full refund for this dress, bcoz I honestly think this wouldn’t be a fair decision by you.
*Allah is the witness of what we concluded at before beginning the process for this dress and Allah knows best. *
The main difference in the suit is that the top piece is longer than the picture, but Proto did acknowledge that and say that that can be changed
Please Refer to this
The differences which are **not **obvious to you r: the panel shades are different(even when I gave you clear instruction and told you many times not to add any other color except which is what shown but still you added various shades and if you ever really tried you could have gotten what I wanted), the panel design you have given is completely broad with no definition, the border is completely off from what I expected, (at least you should have gotten me something closer to the original), and the top part of the cloth is a complete different material than what it was supposed to be.
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Ok..so for your brocade requirement,did you ask for it when we talked about the outfit prior to starting with it? Do you think brocade is something very pricey that i would have skipped using it intentionally? I can still make a brocade top,shorter, and change the peach panels in it without affecting the length. Would you still continue with taking it?
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hmmm…!!!
Outfits like these do require hardwork cuz u have to get the right colors dyed n all. I think its not a bad copy, maybe the same laces (embellishments were not avaiable?!). Also one has to keep the lighting in the mind, it does make a hell of difference. I think if this copy is worn it wl give a very same effect as that of the one ash is wearing.
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Poor Proto :(
Its just a dress .. gosh why does it have to be 100% the same as Ash is wearning, even the designers don't make all their dress copies look the same.
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One of the rules of business is to respect each other privacy
This matter should hv been resolved privately between 2 parties not on a public forum
saying u said that n vice versa
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^ yes that I agree with, no point in getting other people's opinion on the dress. the only person who's opinion counts is the one who ordered it.
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Proto, when I mailed you I said you I want the dress with the same materials used in the original dress. Plus, you are the one who is more experienced or your tailors in this business as to which material is what and I gave you not 1 but 15 photos in which it’s clearly visible, and the material that you have used on the dress is definitely not the same. So, I m guessing that you didn’t realize from the pictures that it was a brocade material? Anyhow it’s nice to see that you are now ok with using the different material and changing the peach panels. I am sorry but I m not ok about going with this any further, it has already become a very bad situation for us. I doubt after all this humiliation I would be able to continue with this any further. I think any one in my place who would have went through all this in a public forum would have made the same decision. I don’t seem to have the confidence any more, so therefore please I would really appreciate and it will be fair on your part to give me a full refund back and sell it to anyone who would like it.
Poor Proto :(
Its just a dress .. gosh why does it have to be 100% the same as Ash is wearing, even the designers don't make all their dress copies look the same.
For you its just a dress coz you aren't the one who has ordered it. and its definitely not abt Ash, its the dress that i am talking about.
I know it way better than you that a dress cannot be copied a 100% but at least close enough as I wanted coz i gave clear instructions. i guess its more important what i think about this copy as i am the one who is going to wear this rather than others who have to do nothing with this dress.
I respect your opinion but you should understand everyone has a different way of looking at everything.
about the material being OBVIOUS rather than being explained, I am sorry but I donot have divine powers to read from distant pictures or my clients’ minds about what fabric is supposed to be used. For example, a blue coloured fabric in the picture could be silk,chiffon,jeans,cotton,anything. Anyone who deals with me knows that I have a colour palette attached with the measurement form PLUS I have asked about the fabric desired for the shirt,dupatta,pants,etc separately to avoid confusions.
Anyways, it is pretty obvious you have changed your mind on this dress,probably way before it was even completed, no matter if it is done the way you want, despite all my offers to make the changes accordingly and ofcourse you have to make up reasons and explanations to deny having it. I will refund your money, minus the transfer amount plus 10% extra only after it is sold out.
estel and dramaybaaz: I really doubt if members behave the same way when there is a negative review on the designer , where the customer is ‘bechaara’ in ANY case..I hardly see anyone in that situation suggesting to solve it in private. Moreover, I have not disrupted anyone’s privacy. I had already informed her that this is going for public opinion. I highly doubt how would have been your reaction if it was the other way round i.e. her being the one to write a negative review, blaming me to refuse a refund and all :halo: Thanks for your input anyways.
Mods: You can close the thread if you wish to as I think the purpose of this thread is fulfilled. According to most of the members, it is a good copy and the buyer has other (no) reasons for not taking it ; I have offered to do alterations according to what she expected but the answer is already here AND I have made it clear about the refund part as well.
Thanks everyone for your time and help 
No one needs a divine power to see the obvious material that is on the dress. I am sorry I cant help if you are so blind and unexpereinced in a field that you are working in. I would advice you to stop doing this order taking work if you aren’t efficient enough to know what material is what. Sorry, I wasn’t aware that I am giving my order to a person who is a naïve in this field and has no idea what she is doing and how to make an order according to the customers prospective. As for the pictures, mind you, it wasn’t distant. I am posting all those pictures that I sent you (which were much clearer than these and maximized) and it was very obvious. Brocade is an obvious material that anyone can make out. As for the fabric desired I said the same material, sorry I didn’t know that you don’t understand what “same” word means.
Firstly, you should stop assuming and blaming customer to hide all your faults. and yes you have disrupted my **privacy **by including my family in this discussion. Do you really expect that after all the humiliation and assumptions that you are making abt me and my family I will buy anything from you? My self respect is more important to me. If honestly you cant accept criticism in the field you are working in, you are never going to be able to be successful no matter how many clientage you have right now! Just because not a lot of people or may be no body has yet criticized your work doesn’t mean that you can never have any faults in the dresses you make. As for the dress, my occasions just around the corner and I don’t have much time for you go make all that changes, which god knows how long that will take, and on top of that whether you will be able to do justice to it after seeing the gorgeous work on this copied dress of urs!
IF I had changed my mind earlier even before looking at the dress I wouldn’t have asked you to make the changes to it after looking at it which you were very reluctant in making any of the changes at all.
These members that you are talking about that think it is a good copy and the buyer has no reason for not taking it WELL most of them are your friends or your customers and more over you posted your first post in such a way to make your self LOOK BECHARI! I have my reasons to not accept this dress which I have already mentioned and they are 100% valid. I wanted a specific exact copy and not an acceptable one (which i made very clear) and its not the other members that paid for this dress therefore, their opinion doesnt matter on this dress, as for me (and thats your client) its absolutely not according to what i asked for.
WOULD anyone really buy an outfit from a designer who goes on to make ACCUSATIONS on the customers and doesn’t welcome any kind of CRITICISM also does not even care about the customer’s requirement? I can guarantee no one will unless they dont have self respect.
I am done with all the insult on me by you and everyone is watching what is happening. Most likely the reason you posted this thread yourself was just coz you were afraid of me posting it, regardless I had no intention of doing so but good you did so every can see now what is the reality.
If you really think you are so right keep the dress and the MONEY with you!
Allah is watching and he knows best!
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Proto
Thats ur dress u hv every right to ask opinion about it from others
But the things u ppl said to each or asked from other through mails shouldn't be on a public forum
if i doesnt like a dress n said it to some one nd next thing i know is to see it on web n everyone which i never met n dont know
is speculating about me nd my family that maybe thats y they dont like it,
would hate it
I wanted a specific exact copy and not an acceptable one (which i made very clear) and its not the other members that paid for this dress therefore, their opinion doesnt matter on this dress, as for me (and thats your client) its absolutely not according to what i asked for.
as someone who has tried out a LOT of online vendors, and had plenty of 'copies' made, i honestly think that it is pretty unreasonable to ask someone other than the original designer to provide a 'specific exact copy'...the only way this could be expected is if you're able to provide the actual dress for someone to examine and copy....so I am going to be **that **person who says, if you want the EXACT COPY, go to the designer.
Copies can be good, but rarely exact, and if you're that picky, then you'll never be happy with what you get, no matter how awesome the person you get to copy it is. I would imagine that it is immensely difficult to copy an outfit exactly from just a picture. You can't feel the fabric, the colors are distorted by flashes, and if there is kaam, it's much harder to see in pictures than in person... and the actual fit will depend on the customer, who in general, is not typically built like Ash, if they are an average sized & shaped woman, and doesn't have gobs of stylists to ensure that everything is perfect. I'm just sayin...