Nba 2005/2006

[Talha]

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@5Abi

Talha now you are being a player-hater. If you think Shaq’s contribution with th following numbers is not a factor in Heat’s wins when he is being doube and tripple teamed, then you and I are not watching the same game.

Game 3: 16 pts, 11 rebounds, team-high 5 assists, 4/6 free throws
Game 4: 17 pts, 13 rebounds, 2 blocks, 75% field goals

Bad comparision

75 FG % on how many shots? Just 8.

With the double and tripple team on Shaq, the lanes get open for Wade. Its the same scenario Shaq had with the Lakers (replace Wade with Kobe). But yes ofcourse Shaq is 35 now and his numbers arent the same as back in 1995 or 2000. But his presence in the middle is still felt by the opponents or else why would they double team him.

You said it. He’s 35 but he still thinks like no one can stop. What bull. He used to storm through defense. But he can’t anymore. Why? The reason you should know. Bad work ethics are simply getting to him.

Stackhouse is prolly going to get suspended for intentional and flagrant foul on Shaq.

Bull****. His intention was not to hit Shaq. He was going after the ball. What about Shaq bumping into Stack, breaking his nose in Game 1. NBA is screwed up when it comes to rules.

Dallas set a record for fewest points in a quarter in an NBA Finals game with seven in the fourth quarter against Miami

Not gonna win many games with a stat like the above.

Yeah, but Dallas is not gonna score 7 pts in a qtr. If you think Dirk and Howard will go 3-23 again, you are mistaken.

[Mr.Genius]

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^ Talha, once again your writing shows more grudges than reasoning. For anyone to think that he didn't have effect on games 3 and 4 has gotta be kidding. If you understand the game correctly, his presense opened the lanes for other players. Whenever wade goes baseline, you would see that he doesn't get double-teamed by Dampier or any center as they pay respect to O'Neal. I give you that Shaq is no where close to what he used to be , but to say its Wade vs. the Mavs doesn't make sense.

Now, if you go back a few years, everyone said that Anfernee Hardaway is the new Michael Jordan and that is when Shaq was with the Magic ; When Shaq went to Lakers, all of a sudden, Kobe was the next Michael, and now you see Shaq in Miami with Wade and guess what.. the comparisons start all over again. We all know what happened to Hardaway when he played without Shaq, and we saw how helpless Kobe was in the last three games of their playoff's this year. So, agree or not, the presence of the big guy does matter.

Having said that, Heat are on their way to kiss the trophy good bye if Wade has a tough game tonight. Knowing Avery, he'd have a master plan against Wade.

[dewana_tera]

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dwayne wade is RIDICULOUS

[Mr.Genius]

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@dewana tera

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lemme guess... Dallas fan ?

if yes, i know u r gonna get the last laugh, but hey, i gotta celebrate while i can ..

D'Wade is da mannn
wat drama in game 5 ... i've never seen dirk this mad...

[Afridi786]

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I feel bad for Nowitski, this is prolly his only chance to win Championship.

[Talha]

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@Mr. Genius

^ Talha, once again your writing shows more grudges than reasoning. For anyone to think that he didn’t have effect on games 3 and 4 has gotta be kidding. If you understand the game correctly, his presense opened the lanes for other players. Whenever wade goes baseline, you would see that he doesn’t get double-teamed by Dampier or any center as they pay respect to O’Neal. I give you that Shaq is no where close to what he used to be , but to say its Wade vs. the Mavs doesn’t make sense.

I am more reasonable than you. Mavs can’t even keep Wade out of lane. It is even admitted by Avery Johnson. Please…just look at the pts Wade put up in last 3 games. He was double team, but is more active on the baseline than any on the entire court. It isn’t because Shaq creates an open free way for Wade. It’s because he’s more quick than anyone else on the court… for last 3 games.

Now, if you go back a few years, everyone said that Anfernee Hardaway is the new Michael Jordan and that is when Shaq was with the Magic ; When Shaq went to Lakers, all of a sudden, Kobe was the next Michael, and now you see Shaq in Miami with Wade and guess what.. the comparisons start all over again. We all know what happened to Hardaway when he played without Shaq, and we saw how helpless Kobe was in the last three games of their playoff’s this year. So, agree or not, the presence of the big guy does matter.

No. You definitely not getting my point. To compare Penny, Kobe with Wade is utterly ridiculous. It is not because of Shaq. Kobe didn’t have team for championship contention, and he’s not gonna have it by the end of 2007. Lakers lost the series because they didn’t have finishers.

And for the last time, could you please not bring up MJ again who hasn’t said good anything in a decade. Thank you.

[Mr.Genius]

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Speaking of Michael Jordan .... he is back in NBA ;)
I guess, you have another favorite team now..

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I am more reasonable than you. Mavs can't even keep Wade out of lane. It is even admitted by Avery Johnson. Please...just look at the pts Wade put up in last 3 games. He was double team, but is more active on the baseline than any on the entire court. It isn't because Shaq creates an open free way for Wade. It's because he's more quick than anyone else on the court.... for last 3 games.
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Yes, Yes, I can see your reason.... and all your 'reason' wants to do is discredit shaq. If we go by your notion, then Dallas 100 vs Wade 43 should have won the game for the Mavs, won't it? Where is your super claim now... i hope you don't discredit Mourning's blocks in game 4 and Payton's yet again clutch shot in game 5. Oh by the way, Shaq had some 18 points too, and off a very decent FG %.

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No. You definitely not getting my point. To compare Penny, Kobe with Wade is utterly ridiculous. It is not because of Shaq. Kobe didn't have team for championship contention, and he's not gonna have it by the end of 2007. Lakers lost the series because they didn't have finishers.
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Haha... thats a good one... Now, tell me why he didn't have such a team; lemme help you out.. he didn't have a championship contending team cuz he routed Shaq out, who ironically is part of a championship contenting team in only his second yr there and even better, he is one win away from lifting the title. Is he gonna get it, realistically ... no... but is he playing in june... u bet.
Also, i didn't see a good reasoning behind your 'utterly ridiculous' comparison claim... follow it up with a little more material plz.

Cheers,

[dewana_tera]

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@Mr. Genius

lemme guess... Dallas fan ?

if yes, i know u r gonna get the last laugh, but hey, i gotta celebrate while i can ..

D'Wade is da mannn wat drama in game 5 ... i've never seen dirk this mad...

not really a dallas fan...but supporting dallas here.

my original post was...did howard actually call time out? or did the ref just pick up on a wrong signal??

[Mr.Genius]

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@dewana tera

not really a dallas fan...but supporting dallas here.

my original post was...did howard actually call time out? or did the ref just pick up on a wrong signal??

he did call a timeout
according to refs' statement, he requested timeout not only once, but twice.

i feel bad for him , he had a great time... i wish he didn't call the timeout

[Faisal]

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Unbelievable game last night.

Now that this series moves back to Dallas, lets see what Mavericks are made of. Heat have shown great character and heart in the last three games.

In Games 3 and 5, Mavs were this close to go up three games, and lost both times. Now that they will have the home court advantage, I expect Mavs to prevail in 6th.

IMO, in any best of seven series, home court advantage is ineffective in Game 7, so its hard to say who will win the title just based on geography. Momentum certainly is with Heat right now.

[Talha]

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@Mr. Genius

Speaking of Michael Jordan … he is back in NBA
I guess, you have another favorite team now..

**** Michael Jordan

Yes, Yes, I can see your reason… and all your ‘reason’ wants to do is discredit shaq. If we go by your notion, then Dallas 100 vs Wade 43 should have won the game for the Mavs, won’t it? Where is your super claim now… i hope you don’t discredit Mourning’s blocks in game 4 and Payton’s yet again clutch shot in game 5. Oh by the way, Shaq had some 18 points too, and off a very decent FG %.

You are pathetic. Who put Payton in that position to take that shot? Wade is carrying the Heat offensive if not by 50% then at least 35% - he even takes the last shot for team. While Payton, Shaq have their moments, it is Wade who’s undoubtly carrying the team. Maybe you should watch NBA season than just by sticking with playoff time.

Haha… thats a good one… Now, tell me why he didn’t have such a team; lemme help you out.. he didn’t have a championship contending team cuz he routed Shaq out, who ironically is part of a championship contenting team in only his second yr there and even better, he is one win away from lifting the title. Is he gonna get it, realistically … no… but is he playing in june… u bet.
Also, i didn’t see a good reasoning behind your ‘utterly ridiculous’ comparison claim… follow it up with a little more material plz.

See, that’s why you don’t get my point. Kobe routed out Shaq. Who told you this? BSPN material and those fan base sportswriter. You just don’t understand how salary system works in the NBA. Do you even know the salary cap limit for each team by NBA? Had you, you wouldn’t even brought up the question of Kobe routing Shaq out. And let me correct you again, IT WAS SHAQ WHO WANTED OUT OF L.A. Wade is the best player on the Heat this year and first option, Shaq was the sidekick. Shaq was the best player on those Laker teams, Kobe was the sidekick who avg. 25, 4, 5.

Is Wade this year greater than Shaq during the threepeat? Not a chance. Shaq was the best player in the league. Wade is top 5 right now, but Shaq was just on a whole other level.

Is Shaq this year greater than Kobe during the threepeat? No way. Kobe was a top 5 player at the very least, while Shaq hasn’t even been a top 10 player this year. Now, you get my point…or should I speak in Hebrew?

[5Abi]

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I believe that Mavs got cheated in Game 5.

First, when Wade ran thru the Mavs defense and got the foul shooting those critical 2 free throws that put the Heat up by a point. Super slow replays on ESPN seemed to show there was no foul, and Dirk simply held his hand on Wade's waist. In the opinion of Scottie and others, Wade simply "earned" that call for being Wade and doing what he had been doing throughout the series.

Secondly, the official statement from the refs doesnt seem convincing that Josh Howard signaled for a timeout TWICE. Again, super slow replays on ESPN showed he was simply gesturing towards his coach Avery on the bench and not even looking at the refs. The refs should have shown some discretion and not let the game be decided by a call like this. Mavs would have had a fair chance at the last play of the game had there been no miscommunication here, cos they would have advanced the ball to midcourt with about 2 seconds left in the game.

Anyway

Yet another magical performance from Wade. Whether Heat win the title or not, he should be the finals MVP. No questiona bout it.

Another solid, performance from Shaq Diesel (are ya reading Talha). 18 points to go with his 12 boards.

[Talha]

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Yes, a $ 20 million man gives you 18 & 12 - Shaq fans should gloat.

I really had to watch re-run of the game to understand what had happened. There were tons of questionable calls and missed opportunities on both sides.

Shaq’s foul on Josh Howard…? Probably less contact on that foul then there was on Wade’s play at the end of the game but nobody seemed to have any problem with that call.

Wade clearly getting hacked which led to the 24 second violation on the Heat. Watch the replay and you’ll see he was hit pretty hardly across the arm, a pretty obvious call that wasn’t called.

The blocking foul on Wade at the end of regulation when he made the shot to send the game into overtime - should’ve been an and 1, refs swallowed the whistles there.

The out of bounds on Wade call when he was going for the rebound. Even watching the replay I still couldn’t tell who touched it last, it honestly looked like it left both their hands at the same exact time but 99 times out of 100 the defensive player who is going for the rebound gets that call, yet Wade did not. IE - Tie goes to the runner. If it’s too close to tell, and it was, Wade should’ve gotten the call (he had position for the rebound) and it should have been Heat ball. That was a free possession for Dallas.

Then there were 4 key missed free throws by Dallas which probably would’ve iced the game for them in regulation and overtime. There were bad calls made against both teams, and while I do agree it was a ticky tack call at the end of a game I don’t think it decided the outcome of the game. If Josh Howard hits those free throws, the game is out of reach and that was a weak call as well. The only difference is that Josh missed both FT’s and Wade made his.

As far as the Timeout goes, my heart goes out to Josh Howard. I feel really, really bad for the guy. Just looking at his face you can tell how badly he felt and unfortunately that is something that is going to stay with him for the rest of his career. I also think that the majority of the blame in that fiasco has to lie with the AJ. He assumed his players knew what he wanted, and that’s a pretty stupid assumption. He should have called one of his players over to the bench and specifically told them what he wanted so there was no confusion. That’s primarily his fault although Josh will get most of the blame for it.

[5Abi]

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^ boyee you pasted, i mean wrote, all that real fast ;)

[Talha]

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67 wpm speed. :D

[Mr.Genius]

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@Talha

**** Michael Jordan

exactly, HAIL Michael Jordan

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You are pathetic. Who put Payton in that position to take that shot? Wade is carrying the Heat offensive if not by 50% then at least 35% - he even takes the last shot for team. While Payton, Shaq have their moments, it is Wade who's undoubtly carrying the team. *Maybe you should watch NBA season than just by sticking with playoff time. *
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I thought were were decent enough to carry an argument, this name calling coming from u only tells me how desperate n frustrated u r
Now, who put Payton in that position, u tell me? Did Wade carry Payton on his shoulder for that high off the class lefty? **Maybe you should make some sense once in a while. **Granted that its Wade who carries them offensively in clutch, its the team defense at the other end has a lot to do with them being up up 3-2.

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See, that's why you don't get my point. Kobe routed out Shaq. Who told you this? BSPN material and those fan base sportswriter. You just don't understand how salary system works in the NBA. Do you even know the salary cap limit for each team by NBA? Had you, you wouldn't even brought up the question of Kobe routing Shaq out. And let me correct you again, IT WAS SHAQ WHO WANTED OUT OF L.A. Wade is the best player on the Heat this year and first option, Shaq was the sidekick. Shaq was the best player on those Laker teams, Kobe was the sidekick who avg. 25, 4, 5.
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So you agree that Shaq was the better player, yet he didn't have the right to ask for the money?
Dude, just think abt this, he got them the championships, now how fair would it be to give all the money Kobe was asking for and not give Shaq his desired sum?
Abt shaq not being in top 10... Pick one of the two..
1. Be a top 5 player and lose in the first round of playoffs
2. Go to NBA Finals while playing a pivotal role in a championship bound team.

I donno why you don't think Shaq's 15, 10 game and his defense matters holds much significance. They built the team around him and as helpless as he is this year with scoring and free throws, his WILL is still at the top. He is giving his best shot after all, and thats all you can ask from a player in his 'after prime' years.

p.s. Watch for the blowout today in AAC; Miami will go happy if they can manage to lose by less than 10 points.

[5Abi]

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Mr G oye lets not start hating on Kobe We all know how successful MJ was outside of Bulls on his solo stint with the Washington Wizards. Its a team game afterall and one man can do only so much. And then ofcourse the coaching staff matters too.

Anyway, its a do-or-die for Mavs tonight facing elimination game.

And Mark “Big Mouth” Cuban got slapped with $250K fine.

[Mr.Genius]

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^^ tit for tat , it was ... and plus, i stated facts more than anything... just like u had a bit abt MJ's wizard stint :) soo, itz all good from analytical view point.

[dewana_tera]

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UNBELIEVABLE!!!