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when my brother passed away...everyone who was at home read quran or some other ziker etc ....upto them really....not the other guests who came for condolence but just my khandan ppl who used to be with us...does that come under any of the categories you mentioned ?
Its same here in Indo-Pak. Its just the serving of food that make it different from Arab culture
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arabs dont do it…
im not an arab if you never noticed 
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But you follow what they follow. Thats why you didn’t hear what Nazr o Niyaz is
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^ I thought you were an arab, no? 
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But you follow what they follow. Thats why you didn't hear what Nazr o Niyaz is
no...as far as i know..they dont hv the reading of ziker n the quran n all.
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muqa ka saath na dain…meri aur unki nahi banti 
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no...as far as i know..they dont hv the reading of ziker n the quran n all.
I think may be its a psychological thing that they feel themselves nearer to Khana e Kaba so don't need some other support. Humans in our part of the world, want to be nearer to God and do such things just for the sake of sawab, which is inadvertently taken as shirk
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I think may be its a psychological thing that they feel themselves nearer to Khana e Kaba so don't need some other support. Humans in our part of the world, want to be nearer to God and do such things just for the sake of sawab, which is inadvertently taken as shirk
no...i think this part did evolve as a cultural thing in the sub continent and it reached to this extent.
both areas are extreme...the sub continent as well the arabs.
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no...i think this part did evolve as a cultural thing in the sub continent and it reached to this extent. both areas are extreme...the sub continent as well the arabs.
Exactly. Human needs something to relieve themselves from the incidents they don't know much about like what happened to their dearest ones after death. They try to get relief by doing something good that can do good to their dear ones in other world
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now are you saying people of our area believe allah lives in the kaaba only ? 
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Not saying that, but our culture and the circumstances of our people drag them to find support of Mazars. You know doobte ko tinke ka sahara.
Whats the ideology of those people in taking those saharas is a complicated issue and people labeling those doing shirk probably don’t have solution for the issues which lead people indulge in such practices.
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Solution is there. But that would mean an end to the power and influence wielded by the beneficiaries of this state of our people.
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Right. Then until a solution with proper implementation could be identified, what options poor people have to deal with their emotional traumas?
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Ghiyarweeh sharif wagahira is like khairat.
But khairat is not subject to particular occasion? right? My Dadi used to have buffaloes and for male calf she used to say 'ye to badshah peer ka hai'. You know Sindhis refer Hazrat Abdul Qadir Jilani as Badshah Peer.
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People have given all these things a wrong meaning by tagging them as bidad. While in reality the people just choose a particular day and and go there together. So that they can just travel in groups and go together. The ones who go there just once in a while thats why they were known as ghiyaarhwi/Urs.While the goal is just to go there and do alms giving.
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Exactly. Human needs something to relieve themselves from the incidents they don't know much about like what happened to their dearest ones after death. They try to get relief by doing something good that can do good to their dear ones in other world
yes ur right...
i think attributing it to religion is why its called bidah.
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But you follow what they follow. Thats why you didn't hear what Nazr o Niyaz is
Not only arabs, in Pakistan wahabis doesn't believe in nazro niyaZ either.
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I don’t believe in this niyaz/fateha/gyaarveen shareef stuff at all…does that make me a wahabi? 
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No, it’s doesn’t makes you wahabi or arabi 
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Actually, my Naniyal is very heavily into fatehas/nazr o niyaz and all, I grew up with it, but my parents never agreed with these practices so we were taught to quietly respect their views, but not to participate or carry on ourselves.
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^ what does you nanhiyal make for niayaz? Haleem or khichra or lukmi