Nawaz Sharif means business to curb energy shortages..

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Good idea. :D

The jobless engineers in Pakistan should jump on this opportunity, and go Green nationwide. It will reduce dependence on Electricity by conventional means. Pakistan gets tons of sunshine all year. It will create jobs, and provide essential amount of power to get the wheels moving again.

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dil dukhany ki baat kerty ho :(

Taggy they don't.

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if they make solar cell in pak, which they can.

If they make it available to people, with affordable skill full labour available around every corner, I say
every other house would be making their own power.

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Why not? Lack of funding, or lack of interest? If overseas Pakistani can bankroll a campaign (a big portion of it anyways), i’m sure they would gladly fund such a scheme that gives them back their initial investment with profit and in the process create jobs and resolve a issue. Dua’ain hee Dua’ain as a bonus! Allah knows we need Duaas here. :hehe:

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I don't want to go philosophical here, but I could not break my family out of traditional thinking.
I could not convince any male that thing CAN NOT ---NOT work....
They work!!
So far I had success only with women :D they are much smarter :D

We live in some sphere, its hard to break boys/men out of it.

If you have contact with family, you can start convincing them about

1-green roofs, not as a project but as a study.
2-have maximum vegetation around the house, trees + plants.
3-check which room in the house are least hot, and see why.

That can be good start for them to realize that they need to change the way we thought houses etc...

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This problem cannot be solved because Pakistan is a nation of thieves! Shahbaz Sharif has been right about complaining as northern Punjab has the lowest line losses (theft) by 200% when compared to the rest of the country!
Why power outages are mostly our own fault – The Express Tribune

**For all the enormous technical complications involved in running a nationwide electricity grid, the problem that ails the country’s power sector today is a remarkably simple one: Pakistan has an energy crisis almost entirely because a large proportion of Pakistanis are thieves who do not want to pay for electricity.

****The key problem in all of this, however, is the propensity of a large proportion of Pakistanis to steal electricity and the government’s unwillingness to confront them. Our analysis indicates that if transmission losses in Pakistan were kept at a level similar to that of the United States, and if bill collection were close to 100%, tariffs would need to rise by a relatively meagre 7.7% from their current average levels.

**The problem, of course, is that theft is not going away in Pakistan any time soon. And so we have, effectively, a nation that steals electricity, pays no taxes, and then complains when the government runs out of money to pay for the electricity that they stole in the first place. In the power sector, the debt is very clearly not the only thing that is circular.

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Pakistan’s Sharif to Retool Ailing Grid - WSJ.com

LAHORE, Pakistan—When Nawaz Sharif starts his new term as Pakistan’s prime minister on Wednesday, 14 years after he was ousted in a military coup, he will focus on turning on the lights in a nuclear-armed nation that has been increasingly starved of electricity.

Power outages of 12 to 20 hours a day have crippled industry and made life miserable for households, a problem that worsened under the previous government of the Pakistan Peoples Party. Electricity shortages cost Pakistan some $13.5 billion a year, equivalent to knocking 1.5 percentage points off the economic-growth rate, Lahore’s Beaconhouse National University said in a report this year.

After Mr. Sharif is sworn in, he will deliver a speech outlining his strategy for solving the electricity emergency through wide-ranging intervention, bond sales and privatizations, aides said. The financing of the electricity rescue plan would be laid out in the budget to be announced next week by incoming Finance Minister Ishaq Dar, they said.

The new administration plans to pay off what it says is $5 billion in debt that has paralyzed the industry, build new power plants and privatize the sector in a multibillion-dollar overhaul that could attract foreign investor interest, the aides said.

The challenges are great. The previous government poured billions into the sector without eliminating the debt or significantly increasing the supply of electricity. The industry is riddled with corruption and depends on expensive oil for power generation, instead of cheaper gas or coal.
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The most pressing issue is the chain of so-called circular debt that runs through the sector: The government keeps the price of electricity to the consumer below the cost of production, but can’t afford to make up the shortfall. It means that oil importers are owed money by power plants, which are owed money by distribution companies, which in turn are owed money by consumers.

“First, we need to write a check,” said Miftah Ismail, an energy adviser to Mr. Sharif, who drew up the energy policy in the party’s election manifesto. “We will pay off the stock of circular debt. It is choking the system. No fresh investment will come into Pakistan unless you get rid of circular debt.”

Although the incoming government has given the level of this debt at $5 billion, a government think tank, the Planning Commission, issued a report in March this year placing it at $9 billion at the end of 2012.

The new administration would borrow the money from banks and also take on the debts owed to the banks by various energy companies and government-owned entities, Mr. Ismail said. Then the government would plan to tap domestic and international bond markets.

A domestic bond issue picked up by local banks would be the most likely scenario, said Ashraf Bava, chief executive of Nael Capital, a brokerage in Karachi. Pakistan would need to improve its credit rating and balance of payments before approaching international capital markets, he said.

“The local banks will have no choice. They’ll have to do it,” said Mr. Bava. “Obviously they’ll be offered a decent return.”

Pakistan, a country of 180 million people, is currently producing some 11,000 megawatts of power, though that dropped last month to less than 9,000 megawatts, compared with demand of at least 17,000 megawatts.

By comparison, installed generation capacity in Indonesia, a country of 240 million people, is 41,000 megawatts, according to a 2012 report from PricewaterhouseCoopers.

Pakistan’s supply shortfall results in power being switched off to households and industry for part of each day on a rotating basis across the country—outages known as “load shedding.”

After paying off the debt, the new government plans to pursue a three-pronged strategy, the aides say. The government would aim to cut line losses and electricity theft, shift power plants from oil to coal, and eliminate subsidies to consumers. Pakistan currently charges consumers around 9 cents per kilowatt-hour for electricity that costs 12 to 14 cents to produce.

Those who use minimal amounts of electricity would continue to get power cheaply, a cost that would be borne by the full fare paid by heavier users—including the middle classes, who form Mr. Sharif’s core constituency, as well as Pakistan’s elite. But if the plan works, Mr. Sharif’s aides said, the cost of power production and prices would come down again.

“There’s no reason why we should be subsidizing those who can afford to run air conditioners,” said Mr. Ismail.

Mr. Sharif’s plan envisages converting three or four of the biggest power plants, which currently burn oil, to coal. Experts estimate such a plan would cost about $2 billion but would pay for itself in savings in about a year.

New coal-burning power stations would also be commissioned, which the incoming government says would take around three years to come onstream. Government-owned generation plants and the grid companies would be put under new management and privatized.

“We will nibble at this problem from many angles as we go along,” said Sartaj Aziz, an adviser to Mr. Sharif on finance and a former finance minister.

Foreign companies rushed into Pakistan’s electricity sector in the 1990s, when new private generation plants were allowed, on lucrative terms. Oil prices were low at the time, so oil-burning plants were built.

However, frequent changes in governments and policies that followed, together with the circular debt issue, chased away most of the foreign interest. The last major American investor, AES Corp., AES +0.74% sold out in 2009.

GDF Suez GSZ.FR -1.21% of France and Malaysia’s Tenaga Nasional Berhad 5347.KU -0.60% are the remaining foreign firms active in Pakistan’s energy sector.

Naveed Ismail, an independent energy-sector expert who previously worked with the government, said that 48% of Pakistan’s thermal generation came from burning furnace oil, the highest such proportion among any major countries, while contribution from much cheaper coal, the main source of generation in India or China, was close to zero.

“Pakistan just has to learn from the rest of the world. It doesn’t have to reinvent the wheel,” he said. “The issue is producing affordable electricity. No new capacity should be added unless it brings down the average cost of power.”

Helping Pakistan with its electricity crisis has been a major focus of American aid in recent years. Since October 2009, the U.S. has spent $225 million on energy projects in Pakistan, according to the U.S. Embassy in Islamabad, adding more than 900 megawatts to the country’s generation, with schemes for upgrading power plants and dams.

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Just read the whole thread after 3/4 days of gap.. I am deeply amused looking at various comments. My naive country men do not realize the real issues and are overwhelmed by propaganda of various developed nations..

1) We do not only have an issue of energy shortages but we have an issue of finding energy sources at viable prices to keep our manufacturing feasible.

2) The whole discussion which my fellow posters have diverted is not based on energy solutions.. the discussion is being diverted from macro level solutions to micro level initiatives.

3) The emphasis what my respected fellow members are giving are based on greener, more environmental friendly generation options. All these greener options are very expensive.

4) Our energy mix is very expensive.. but it's much more greener than most of the industrialized. Germany, UK, India, China, USA.. all these countries produce more than 50% of their electricity rom coal.. by far the dirtiest.. Compared to our 2% coal generation. They window dress their dirty energy mix with 1 or 2% greener generation like windmills and solar. Over all compared to Pakistan they use much dirtier but cheaper ways to generate electricity. My friends in this forum are overwhelmed by this 1/2% propaganda stunts by these countries. I can assure you.. compared to all these countries Pakistan is using much greener generation options.. but our problem is it's too expensive.

5) The best green and cheap generation option we have is hydel generation. We have a huge potential in this sector.. but our problem is this sector is politicized by regional pressure groups. In short term this option will be very difficult to peruse.. we need to have strong nation building before we can exploit this logical options.. which happens to be very cheap and environment friendly. The beauty of this option is that infra structure has a vey long life.. and cost decreases with the passage of time substantially. Unlike solar or windmill infra structure which will become obsolete in ten fifteen years most probably without paying for it's cost. The generation cost of hydel electricity generated through dams would become almost free in ten fifteen years.. after paying for the infra structure spending..

So my dear friends.. please do not get too much impressed with these propaganda of industrialized nations. Their per capita energy consumption is huge compared to Pakistan. Their generation means are much dirtier than Pakistan..

We need macro level intelligent solutions for our country.. which are viable.. and can solve are energy crisis in real terms..

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I bought the Solar Panels in Germany and let the Company ship them to Islamabad to pick it up myself from there. I did let them handle all the issues regarding safe transportation and customs etc.

I bought a Homage UPS Inverter + Dry Batteries (sealed, No refilling needed) in Faisalabad Bhawana Bazar … there is a huge demand of this system due high temps and absolutly no electricity at all (sorry 3-4 hours a Day)

So i was fed up seeing my Grandparents, uncles, aunts and cousins going thru this hell

But yes u r right about the dealers giving u a run around … wasting ur precious time with simply no out-put

It took me almost 10 days to get everything working as no one gave me complete info where to get what e. g. Wires, New Sealed Dry Batteries, proper Footage/Foundation for the Panels when mounting on roof top

Coming from West when u know u just go to ur Mall and get everything and u start working but there it’s like they (dealers) don’t want u to get it done at all

I went into a shop in Sargodha knowing exactly what i wanted and saw it there on the shelf… so ipicked it up and entered the bargaining scene but the sellers mood was anything but selling … i told my cousin man just let us pay and get on to install the damn thing but it took us over an hour to buy just an UPS inverter :smack:

If any of u guys here wanna do something good to ur loved ones back in Pakistan just install them a working solar system and u’ll ease their Life a lot :slight_smile:

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@Mods: Please move it into te right forum if not appropriate here

I've been asked by quite a few PPL so i'll post a few things i think one should take into account before installing such a system.

  1. A 100W Solarpanel produces on average 750W-850W of Electricity a Day in most parts of Pakistan

  2. Calculate what u wanna run on the Solar System (Lights, Ceiling Fans, Refridgerator, TV, etc.) and how many hours so u know what the daily consumption is likely to be. Always add 10-15% (Like if ur daily Consumption is 10000W then install a System that produces 11000-11500W)

  3. Buy Thick wires and don't save money as this is a static system and if everything goes right u r not going to touch the system again

  4. Buy a Charge Controller which can operate in high temperatures

  5. Buy Dry Batteries. they should be new and sealed. BEWARE: PPL use to sell the batteries that are stolen from Mobile Network Towers and mostly they are made look like new ones so have a close look at them. New Batteries should be tested in the Shop with a proper Power Meter.

  6. Store the batteries in the coldest place u've at home and don't expose them to direct sunshine (believe it or not but some PPL do this in the hope to recharge them)

  7. Buy a UPS Inverter so when u get WAPDA Electricity (the odd hour inbetween) it'll help u charging ur batteries even during night hours when no solar power available. Think about the Consumers u want to run on it so the UPS Unit should be able to cover high start-up power demand like a TV needs at the start etc.

  8. Depending on ur location the Panels should have a Tilt/Angle between 20°-30° (Karachi 20°, Multan/Lahore 25°, Islamabad 28° and further north 30° or more)

  9. If u don't have a Solar-tracking System (highly unlikely u've one in place) then ur Panels should point to 0° South, if u don't have a compass at hand then just point ur panels towards the Sun when it's at its highest point (no rising, no declining)

  10. Depending on ur location (Air pollution) u should wash off the dust from the panels as a think dust layer will reduce ur Power Out-put

  11. Try to Install the Charge Controller, Batteries and the UPS close by with little but think wires to reduce loss due wire resistance

  12. Buy Copper wire and avoid Steel wire (When a buying a wire take a knife with u and try to slice the wire, if it's possible somehow then it's copper if not then steel is mixed with copper.

Still Questions??? Feel free to ask :)

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Civic responsibility: Citizens of Peshawar voluntarily remove kundas – The Express Tribune

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:k:

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chalo enjoy... every one..

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Bad precedent set by PMLN & Rana SanaUllah today. Getting police to attack people who voted for them doesn't augur too well for them.

Faisalabad: Hun araam ee?

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rana-sana-ullah-- This bald guy use to come cry on TV telling stories of how rana-sanaullah's goons beat him up every day upon seeing him because they had encroached his land.
nawaz- had his own badmaash---tibbi, arshad and another cahoudhary
sehbaz-- had guys killed in police encounter on faisal abad road.

Yet for some extremely funny reason people think, these people come in power and respect common ppl and common ppl's interest.

I think we are all mad, its just we have tittle or our madnesses.
This one is called "democracy"

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God save the Sharif family. Sharifs seem to be the only intelligent species left in Pakistan.

Cabinet energy committee formed by Nawaz Sharif only includes one provincial CM...his brother. The other 3 are just nincompoops.

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Allah kay naam pay baba

Radio Pakistan- Chief minister Punjab conveyed felicitation of Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif to Shaikh Hamad on becomi

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It takes one CM each to Run KPK,Sindh and Baloshistan but it takes two sharifs to run Punjab.

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and it takes no one to run Pakistan, ye apnay aap chala ja rha hay, moh utha kay, gawachi gaan