Nawaz once again shows his true colours.

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I am not saying that CJ is an angel. Even if he did a few things wrong, almost everyone in Pakistan does, Mushy should also remove all the corrupt politicians, bureacrats and servicemen. People supported Mushy when he took over including myself, but then he himself got corrupted instead of cleaning up corruption.

Why was the CJ singled out? because he refused to tow the line and posed a danger to Mushy. You cannot pick and chose for your personal interest who is corrupt and who is not.

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Well, do not start moving in tangent :) We are not talking about Iftikhar being Angel of Devil, neither talking about taking actions against A or B. We are talking about sending reference to SJC and that if it was right or wrong.

Musharraf set-up an institution in Pakistan, that was NAB and if anyone had any problem from anyone other than people in Judiciary, they could have sent their allegations to NAB and NAB would have dealt with it. But if allegations were against a Judge than it has to be sent to President so that President can send it to SJC for investigation (because NAB was not allowed to investigate Judges). So, what was wrong if President received allegations against CJ and he sent it to SJC for investigation?.

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And the SJC threw the case out, so the dictator had to impose emergency!

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Also if president is crook he’ll only send the reference to SJC where if it gets thrown out he will never prosecute the corrupt judge(s) but sack the whole judiciary.

Laws were followed by kicking constitution around :hehe:

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:subhan: … Kiya aqal-e-Saleem diya hay Allah nay aap ko … Kiya knowledge hay :D. When Pakistan is full of people with superb intelligence and such great knowledge than certainly Pakistan deserve leaders like Nawaz, Zardari, BB, Atizaz and so on. :slight_smile: … SJC threw the case out … :rotfl: Sadqay jawaan aap kee malumaat per … :alhamd: :slight_smile:

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Wow. The EX CJ should be given a medal for doing all the above and help save Pakistan. :)

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Saleem, bhool gaye itni jaldi, who was the CJ when great quiad-e-azam pervez musharraf declared the emergency. Whats this:

On July 20, 2007, Chaudhry was reinstated to his position as Chief Justice in a ruling by the thirteen-member bench of Pakistani Supreme Court which also quashed the misconduct reference filed against him by Musharraf.

Aik aap hi reh gayi hain parhey likhey, aqalmand, angrezi bolney walley (MS word par) baaqi sab indian/yahoodi agent hain right?

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You do not have to be so upset. If you do not know something, just read and learn. No one is born knowing everything, they learn and it is not bad or embarrassing if one reads and learns, rather those who do not want to read and learn, it is they who are embarrassing. :)

I am really surprised that after more than a year of all this mayhem, still people have not grasped the difference between SJC (Supreme Judicial Council) and SC (Supreme Court). At least you should have done some reading and then commented.

SJC is not court that they can throw away cases or even give verdicts on cases. They work as investigating body. They investigate allegations in reference against judges then they make reports of their investigation for President. It is President who decides what action to take from their investigation report. That is all they do. Only President can sack or appoint Judges (with recommendations of certain bodies).

As for SC, they should not interfere with SJC (as SJC is investigating body against them) as they should not interfere with constitution (as their job is only to interpret constitution and give verdict according to laws in constitution, not make laws).

But unfortunately in Pakistan, SC have done that several time, interfering with constitution, and if they do, since there is no where a person could challenge Supreme Court, they keep getting away with it (and whatever they do becomes legal). In 2002, full bench of SC even gave right to Musharraf to change constitution without even any need to get it approved from Parliament (one of the signatory of that decision is Iftikhar), and due to that given right, Musharraf did not only changed constitution in past but also on Nov 2007. If anyone wants to challenge that right of Musharraf, they have to go to Supreme Court but they could not as to reverse that right, a bigger bench of Supreme Court could do that (no chance for that), hence all actions by Musharraf becomes legal.

Similarly in July, SC stopped SJC to investigate Iftikhar and told Iftikhar that his suspension (until investigation completes) is over. It was like pinch of salt as no one can challenge decision of SC, so Iftikhar took charge of CJ post again.

Many do not realise that in 2004, 17th amendment was not for approval of constitutional changes introduced by Musharraf, as all his constitutional changes became part of constitution and legal due to Supreme Court giving constitutional changing right to Musharraf. What happened is that, 17th amendment came assuming that all constitutional change by Musharraf was part of constitution, and 17th amendment was amendment to constitutional changes that Musharraf introduced, not constitution itself.

Similarly, SC decision to stop SJC investigating Iftikhar became legal (well, as legal as whatever SC does), though after emergency, new Supreme Court came into being as constitution went in abeyance. So, new oath was need for judges under PCO (Provincial Constitutional Order), and thus all judges who did not took oath (or were not called to take oath) under PCO stopped being Judge. Anyone wants to challenge that, they have to go to Supreme Court.

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Saleem, one word for you -> SUMMARIZE!

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Only people who look for summary are those who do not want to know neither are interested in knowing, but argue and BS. Anyhow, if you really want summary then here it is for you :)

You are confuse, and you do not know difference between SC and SJC neither you know what is their purpose and what they do :D.

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Who cares what if its SJC or BJC, what people care about is the fact that the Supreme Court reinstated Chaudhry Iftikhar in July, thats what matters, and your 20345023502 of explanations can be trashed, just like Musharraf’s references.

p.s. you have got to be kidding me when you say i should look at you for ‘knowledge’, especially after your price figures, lies, election predictions :rotfl:

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Kiya baat hay aap kee :). Pata bhie nahie chalta hay kay aap kee batayain kahaan say nikal rahee hain, uper say yea kay … :rotfl:

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Aap ne jab woh election ki prediction nikali thi, kya woh ooper sey nikali thi kay :hehe:

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Nawaz is a true patriot and Chaudharies of Gujarat- shujaat and pervaiz has helped everyone and are very clean. He is just doing what’s best for Pakistani. Nawaz can even give his own life for Pakistan.. Nawaz Zindabad!

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If Q and N merge or start acting together it basically ends up with a bomber vs bombee party system. Great! I wouldn't be surprised if 6 months from musharaf or koiyani are masters again.

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True. AH devastated Karachi's education system!

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It is Strange Sa1eem never said word on the Alliance of two worst political enemies, MQM & PPP i wonder y?

Oh i know y, because MQM is kind of party which will jump in bed with anyone who is in power, doesn't matter if it is PPP or PML (Q) or PML (N)....

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these people are not loyal to themselves how on earth are they gonna be loyal to the nation. Its all about showing off with power nobody cares about food,electricity,prices problems. Its all personal grudges being dished out at the top end. When are these people gonna realise that they are continously making this country a joke around the world. They all claim to be very intelligent and smart yet 60 years have gone by and yet the basics have not been provided to the nation and the poor people of Pakistan, yet who has the privelage to have properties in UK,USA,UAE and so on, be able to travel first class around the world, be treated as royalty. Yet there is no electricity on your streets. Who can drive cars worth millions of rupees, yet there is no atta for rotis for the poor. Pakistan has been divided into 2 extremes, the very rich and the very poor. Its sad to see as it is a beautiful country with all the natural elements a country needs. But the greed and the senseless beauraucrats have destroyed the nation. Only Allah can help. No President, No Prime Minister, No Political Parties. The only ones who are daily made into fools are the Public.

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Now that we discover that Nawaz Sharif only broke it off with the PPP because they would not agree to his demand that the 3rd time bar on PM be lifted, we know how much he really cares about the judges issue. Third time bar on PM only applies to him, and no one else, so it is to Zardari's interest to keep it, as it does not affect him or any PPP leader for that fact.

Then there is the failure of the PML N to quit the Punjab govt, which it leads (unlike the federal govt which the PPP leads, so it easy for him to leave that).

As for the judges restoration every realistic person knows he only wants that because he wants them to overthrow Musharraf. After all we all know what a STORMING job he did with the Supreme Court when he was PM.

On all three counts Nawaz Sharif's principles have been exposed, which will be difficult for anti-Musharraf people to accept, but in the end the reality wll sink in.

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I doubt the breakdown is bcoz of 3rd term of PM. Nawaz has little to gain at present on this issue, as he cannot become PM of this assembly. Secondly, ML-N wanted the restoration of judges by resolution and not by constitutional amendment.