Re: Nawab Akbar Bugti Killed (Merged)
If the groups you lead wage war against the state, that makes you a terrorist regardless of what you were in the past.
The correct way to handle government policies that you disagree with is to spend years and decades patiently trying to work within the system in order to change those policies. You don't use force of arms to try and get a quick fix.
Re: Nawab Akbar Bugti Killed (Merged)
so what if he was a defence minister or chief minister...
We all know where these ministers come from...the friggin feudal system churns them out. The grandfathers of the Bhutto's and the Bugti's and their likes sided with the British and helped them colonize and rule over the subcontinent. These people were then given huge land grants in return...lands which their families continue to possess till this day.
Now we have the grandchildren of these traitors ruling Pakistan, and undeservingly being appointed as ministers and governers. They were always traitors and terrorists...regardless of what position they held in the government.
Re: Nawab Akbar Bugti Killed (Merged)
Well yes Quaid-e-Azam, Gandhi and others did not take up arms, but conversely it depends on the occupying power, if dialogue is impossible or has been exhausted more radical forms of protest are often neccessary. After all the Muslim League had an armed wing in the mid 1940’s and was not afraid of direct action. Similarly Quaid-e-Azam did contact the pashtun Wazir tribes and was planning on stirring up more trouble in the frontier for the sake of Pakistans creation.
As far as this anti feudal comments go..these are just the rants of the immature, Bugti wasn’t killed because he was a feudal or a thief..they are the Army’s biggest supporters. Did Bugti deserve death? To quote a well known book..many deserve death..some who are dead deserve life, who is Musharraf or anyone else to decide who does and who doesn’t? and if mushy supporters think he was right to do so, how was Bugti wrong in killing people who disobeyed tribal law?
Re: Nawab Akbar Bugti TERMINATED.
Thank God.
I'm so happy that another traitor has been killed.
I will celebrate Eid when the same happens to Nawaz Shareef and Bhutto.
The Govt's control must be established over every single inch of Pakistani territory.
We are surrounded by certain entities who want to see a weakened Pakistan.
Killing the likes of bugti is a step in the right direction.
those of you who are "against" this operation, do you care to think where the hell were these people getting their weapons from?
yes. thats right. our beloved neighbour/s.
you cannot have "progress" and "address the complaints" of minorities when those representing these minorities are corrupt. BEFORE you go about addressing such complaints, you MUST get rid of corrupt and disloyal people.
on the 14th august, there were idiots protesting here in Toronto against Kaala Baagh Dam. Im getting off topic, but the point is, sometimes those who put their personal interests above everything else cannot be convinced by just "talking".
the only way to deal with a snake is to cut its head off. you cannot negotiate with it.
i congratulate President Musharraf on another grand victory.:)
Re: Nawab Akbar Bugti Killed (Merged)
Well stated mAd_ScIeNtIsT. :k:
Then again we must forget that the late Bugti stood shoulder to shoulder with Zulfikar Bhutto and the Pak Army in putting down the Balochi rebellion in the 1970’s, which ended up killing many thousands of miscreants and patriotic soldiers, but in the end it eradicated terrorism from the province. There was dire talk of another 71-like situation at that time as well, as there was when the operation against the MQM was going on in the 1990’s, and I am sure many instances in between those periods. But each doomsday prediction proved false.
Mark my words after all the politicking and sporadic rioting is over in a few weeks, the Balochi people will be emboldened to take on other sardars as well.
Re: Nawab Akbar Bugti Killed (Merged)
Mark my words after all the politicking and sporadic rioting is over in a few weeks, the Balochi people will be emboldened to take on other sardars as well.
and this time that Sardar might support Shaukat Aziz as well.. :)
There might not be a new Sardar this time, though chances for this are very little. There is an effort going on to end this system (I guess even Bugti was working with government on this issue at some stage) and this is a good time to take the first major step. Instead of a new Sardar, the Bugti tribe(s) can be asked to elect a new representative.
Re: Nawab Akbar Bugti Killed (Merged)
Violence begets violence.
Pakistanis didn't learn from '71.
Look at all these monkeys cheering Bugti's death. Animals!
Re: Nawab Akbar Bugti Killed (Merged)
While I didnt like the man, and I have no love for Balochi Sarad system, this is really the last thing we needed in country lacking any form of democracy and representation. Its like spilling blood in a sea of sharks…
Chalk this up as another of those decisions made with no thought as to what will happen in the future.
Re: Nawab Akbar Bugti Killed (Merged)
Here is a horrible thought... What if Sardar Bugti was the only sane one left who had any control over these bugti tribesmen. What if the next one to come in his place is a raving lunatic with no regard for dialogue... I mean, the door is open now..
Re: Nawab Akbar Bugti Killed (Merged)
http://www.pakobserver.net/200608/28/Editorial01.asp?txt=Sad%20end%20of%20stubborn%20Bugti
VETERAN Baloch Sardar Nawab Akbar Bugti, his two grandsons and a number of his accompalices were killed in an encounter with law enforcing agencies in remote areas of Balochistan on Saturday. It’s said that the law enforcing agencies were engaged in an operation in the Marri-Kohlu area against the miscreants after two helicopters were fired upon by Fararis from the caves. Akbar Bugti was reportedly trapped in the operation against the miscreants.
It’s a sad incident that has evoked violent reaction in Quetta, where buses were set ablaze and banks were allegedly looted. Indefinite curfew has been imposed in the provincial capital. High alert has also been ordered in Karachi and Lahore to avoid any untoward incident. Political leaders have condemned the incident and attributed it as potent with negative bearing on the country’s future. It’s pity that Akbar Bugti and his whole family has been eliminated in the violent way due to family feuds and his feudal rigidity. It’s premature to visualise the fall-out of Akbar Bugti’s fall at this moment of time. Ever since the launching of massive development process in Balochistan by Gen Pervez Musharraf’s regime, Akbar Bugti had opted for defiance and had since been challenging the writ of the Government. His defiance was obviously unacceptable, as no government can tolerate State within the State. Since March last, Bugti had taken refuge in caves in the Marri-Kohlu area after his private militia’s deadly encounter with the law enforcing agencies following attack on the Gas installations and was directing the Fararis’ activities from there. Bugti had maintained a fully equipped private militia, had been inciting periodic attacks on the gas installations and other State assets as well as the law enforcing agencies, barricaded his area and expelled non-cooperating tribesmen from the Bugti district. He had been acquiring weapons from sources inimical to Pakistan in order to destabilise Balochistan, which is fast emerging as hub of economic activity and energy corridor in the region. Extremism and confrontation with the Government was even otherwise unacceptable the world over after 9/11. That’s why Bugti’s sad end has not evoked sympathetic reaction on world media. He has been dubbed as a greedy warlord by the BBC. The operation in the Marri-Kohlu area was spearheaded by daredevil IGFC Maj Gen Shujaat Zamir Dar, who had sustained injuries in an earlier attack on his helicopter by the Fararis.
Re: Nawab Akbar Bugti Killed (Merged)
Yup, greedy murdering warlord he was at the end of the day.
Re: Nawab Akbar Bugti Killed (Merged)
I support onest civilian rule and real democracy..a govt representing its ppl, ot its own bank acts, something i have not seen by any of these so called democratic parties, so whether its a dictator in power who used a coup to get in power, or a dictator in power who used rigged elections, bought votes and coerced votes to get in power…so yeah, i support THAT kinda civilian rule…chanda.
oh and these morons are not dissent, these are criminals…what MQM ghunday did in Karachi was not dissent, it was terror, terrorising the very ppl tey were supposed to be representing.. some dissent when you kill ppl in the streets, when you collect ghunda tax from shop keepers and area residents..
yeah..dissent…such ‘dissent’ needs to be crushed without any mercy..
Re: Nawab Akbar Bugti Killed (Merged)
The end of the Nawab is greeted with relief in his home region.
http://thepakistaninewspaper.com/news_detail.php?id=6375
**Akbar Bugti death brought sigh of relief to Dera Bugti people: Humadan Bugti **
Leader of Bugti Tribe, Humadan Bugti Sunday said that death of Akbar Bugti has brought a sigh of relief for the people of Dera Bugti as the chapter of inhuman activities has ended. Talking to a private TV channel, he said that some leaders are condemning this incident just to gain political benefits. He added that all political leaders are well aware of anti- government and anti-people activities of Akbar Khan Bugti.
Re: Nawab Akbar Bugti Killed (Merged)
Pak papers are full of condemnation of his killing, from all sides of the spectrum
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2006\08\28\story_28-8-2006_pg3_1
Regrets and recriminations are going to fly thick and fast in Islamabad after a military operation on Saturday killed Nawab Akbar Khan Bugti in the Bhambore Hills in an area between Dera Bugti and Kohlu in Balochistan. The combined opposition has already submitted a no-confidence motion against Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz in the National Assembly and is threatening to launch a movement of civil disobedience followed by mass resignations from parliament. Until now, the government was concealing its jitters behind the clear majority it so far holds in parliament. Now it might be up against a much bigger problem in the short as well as the long term.
Whoever in the national security establishment decided to eliminate Nawab Bugti physically is clueless about the force of politics, history and nationalism. Clearly, this was a politically inopportune moment for it. Most of what the opposition will say about the killing of Mr Bugti is going to gibe with what leading PMLQ politicians have felt: that the deadlock in Balochistan should not be resolved through military action. The ruling party is already bedevilled with rifts that President Pervez Musharraf is hard put to control. With the barrage of violent statements that are bound to come from the opposition these rifts are going to be more difficult to paper over. Nawab Bugti, already 80 plus, wanted a heroic death for many personal, provincial and extra-provincial reasons. Whoever took military action against him has granted him his wish to be a martyr. This is a political nightmare that the PMLQ will find hard to handle here and now and Pakistan in the hereafter.
Whatever his personality and past, Nawab Bugti’s death is bound to become part of the heroic lore of Baloch history of resistance against the state since 1947 and strengthen the separatist emotion in the province. Since much of the Baloch struggle had combined with the all-Pakistan campaign against such phenomena as military rule and the cruel centralism of One Unit, it will find resonance with most Pakistanis — especially in the smaller provinces. His death will put an end to the case building by the government before going for the kill on Saturday. The case built by the state against the rebellious ‘sardars’ was not incredible: their insurgents were blowing up public assets and carrying out attacks against state personnel, they had organised ‘farari’ camps where Baloch warriors were trained and, finally, they were recipients of large sums of money, possibly sent in by India through Afghanistan. But now all this will sound like so much unconvincing history.
Baloch nationalism is based on a number of factors recognised by the textbooks but the most significant component is tribal resistance and honour. The sardari system provided leadership to this nationalism by upholding Baloch honour. While the Baloch politician developed flexible political skills, the Baloch sardar outshone him in the eyes of the Baloch people because of his inflexibility and an implacable assertion of Baloch rights. Of course, the Bugti-Marri-Mengal triumvirate of Baloch nationalism that developed over the years had its internal tensions and there was a tacit struggle for supremacy among the three. Needless to say, only the most radical could have won. It is in this framework that Nawab Bugti’s final choice of death has to be seen. And it is here that Islamabad has erred most grievously and might have to pay a high price for it. It has let Nawab Bugti win the final battle. He will now be the all-Balochistan symbol of resistance to Islamabad. If there is external interference in Balochistan it will only be strengthened.
President Musharraf inherited a whole raft of “flaws of the state” when he was called upon to put Pakistan straight after 9/11. After almost 20 years of jihad the state had developed tolerance for many centres of power the politicians were forced to accept in the 1990s. The central problem that he faced was the lack of the writ of the state in most parts of the country, although certain territories were traditionally accepted as exempt from normal state jurisdiction. We know how he has failed to solve the problems of the Tribal Areas in the face of the Taliban and Al Qaeda threat in the context of a growing vacuum of political support. But the situation in Balochistan has been the prickliest for him to grasp politically. The province is the country’s lifeline for the gas it produces and a guarantor of its future because of the gas reserves it holds for future exploitation.
Balochistan has also been a legal grey area. Most of it is ‘B’ category, meaning that there is no police and no proper enforcement of the law of the land. It also remains the most economically backward area despite the rich natural resources it possesses. Its history of struggle against the centre sets it apart from the Tribal Areas where Islamabad is face to face with a new type of Talibanism. President Musharraf was mistaken in “discovering” that past governments had been too “soft” on Nawab Bugti and mistakenly wanted this “flaw of the state” sorted out. The PMLQ government intervened and tried the political path with Bugti, resulting in an agreed document, which was in the process of being implemented _ albeit very slowly and in the eyes of the Baloch, not at all. But the military establishment overruled the politicians and went for Mr Bugti.
At this point Nawab Bugti was provoked into taking the final plunge to put on record his reaction to “what Islamabad was doing to Balochistan”. The pressure he felt came from the increased aggression of state policy, the bringing back of the sub-tribes he had driven out of the Bugti territory and the bombing of his residence complex. But his decision to go down fighting has transformed his death into martyrdom to the cause of the Baloch. His two grandsons have died with him; so have a number of Marri tribesmen, including possibly a son of Khair Bux Marri, the most intransigent of the sardari triumvirate. This will “inspire” many youngsters among the new generation of Baloch to seek “revenge”. Sardar Ataullah Khan Mengal has already reacted in such terms. In Quetta, mobs have come out and damaged public property. But Balochistan is not a place for mass demonstrations; it is a territory of acts of revenge. How will the government tackle the Baloch backlash? Political support to the Musharraf establishment and the PMLQ government is at its lowest ebb. Balochistan will be ready to ignite at any time in the future. A pall of gloom has descended over Pakistan that will not lift in a hurry. This is the biggest blunder committed by the military since the execution of Zulfikar Ali Bhutto.
Re: Nawab Akbar Bugti Killed (Merged)
There is nothing morally wrong about waging war against an oppressive and unrepresentative government.
And the correct way of handling military dictators is to hang them. Balochis have been patient enough for the last 60 years and all they have gotten our broken promises. Just look at the history of the region and it is easy to tell that the Balochis are the victims and their militancy is a reaction to govnt misrule and neglect.
And can anyone tell me how a rag tag bunch of Balochi tribals were able to kill 20 elite paki army commandos backed by helicopter gunships and other sophisticated weapons?
Re: Nawab Akbar Bugti Killed (Merged)
More comments, this time by Najam Sethi, those who read Pak media will undoubtedly know who he is
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2006\08\28\story_28-8-2006_pg7_13
Bugti’s death regrettable, says Najam Sethi
LAHORE: Nawab Akbar Khan Bugti’s death in a military operation is regrettable and the incident will have long-term negative implications, said Daily Times Editor Najam Sethi.
Speaking in a Geo television programme on Sunday, Mr Sethi said the government had wrongly assumed that Bugti was leading the insurgency in Balochistan and that his death would end the provincial crisis. “Bugti was not leading the insurgency in Balochistan. He was only leading his tribe. He did not join the insurgency despite efforts by the Mengals, Marris and other tribes,” said Mr Sethi, adding that the government should have isolated Bugti from other insurgents but surprisingly it pushed him towards them.
He said the government made its first mistake by pushing Bugti on the insurgents’ side and then by stopping negotiations with him. He added that the government did not want to target Bugti because it could have hit him anytime it wanted to. “The security forces had attacked militants hiding in the area and Bugti was killed accidentally,” he said, adding, “There is foreign intervention in Balochistan and Akbar Bugti is now a hero for every Baloch youth, prompting them to join the insurgency.” daily times monitor
Re: Nawab Akbar Bugti Killed (Merged)
So the list of blunders for the army grows ever longer.
Re: Nawab Akbar Bugti Killed (Merged)
Interesting that all, PML(Q), PMl-N, PPP, ARD, even ex-PM Jamali and ex-ISI cheif say his killing will harm Pakistan and fuel the Balochistan insurgency
Some of the kids living in UK/US etc, posting on this forum should learn instead of blindly following what they have been told
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2006\08\28\story_28-8-2006_pg1_3
“It’s a very sad incident. We respected Nawab Akbar Bugti a lot, as he was a veteran Baloch politician,” said former prime minister Mir Zafarullah Khan Jamali.
Lt-General (r) Asad Durrani, former director general of Inter-Services Intelligence, said Bugti was more dangerous to the government dead than alive.
Re: Nawab Akbar Bugti Killed (Merged)
Human Rights Commission of Pak condem the murederous Balochitan campaign, and agree killing Bugti will threaten Pakistan’s cohesion even more
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2006\08\28\story_28-8-2006_pg7_17
LAHORE: The brutal killing of Nawab Akbar Bugti and his companians has shocked and grieved all democratic forces of the country, said Asma Jahangir, chairperson Human Rights Commission of Pakistan in a statement issued, Sunday. “The HRCP’s worst fears and predictions have come true,” she said, adding, “The military establishment made its intentions of pursuing, hunting and killing Nawab Bugti and other Baloch nationalists quite clear.”“This unpardonable act of extra legal killings is an affront not only to the people of Balochistan but it also threatens the integrity and solidarity of the country. By delaying the disclosure of the news of the murder of the Nawab the government has only added to its guilt. HRCP hopes that the Bugti tribe’s desire to give their departed chief a burial in keeping with their traditions will not be frustrated by petty minded satraps.” She said this latest tragedy in the Balochistan operation bade ill for the country. “It threatens its integrity and solidarity. In particular the irrelevant vilification of the late Nawab by official propagandists and the false portrayal of the situation in Balochistan rings a familiar note of the Bangladesh fiasco,” she added. “In the absence of any neutral and independent mechanism to investigate these killings, HRCP calls upon political forces and civil society to protect and preserve the evidence of foul play so that at an appropriate moment those responsible can be brought before public trial,” she concluded.
Re: Nawab Akbar Bugti Killed (Merged)
This must be the great positive thing to come out of this debacle. Balochis burning Pakistani flags thanks to army actions.
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2006\08\28\story_28-8-2006_pg1_1
Monday, August 28, 2006
3 killed as riots rock Balochistan, Karachi
By Malik Siraj Akbar
QUETTA: At least three people were killed as protests spread in Balochistan and Baloch-populated areas in Karachi after Nawab Akbar Khan Bugti’s death in a military operation late on Saturday.
Protesters took to the streets of Quetta, burning vehicles, banks and a petrol station. Despite a curfew imposed by the Balochistan government in Quetta and Noshki districts and the deployment of paramilitary troops, three people – two bystanders and a policeman – were killed in an exchange of fire on Sunday. However, the provincial government lifted the curfew in Quetta at about 3pm on Sunday.
Angry mobs set ablaze at least 20 buses, 60 cars and several official buildings including security check posts.
Around 450 students of the Balochistan University, Bolan Medical College and Poly-technic Institute were arrested for violence while the four-party Baloch National Alliance and the Baloch Students Organisation (BSO) have announced a 15-day mourning period for Nawab Bugti. The alliance also announced it would observe a complete shutter down and wheel jam strike in the province today (Monday). Authorities have closed university hostels for an indefinite period.
Nine personnel of law enforcement agencies including a station house officer were injured when their patrol vehicle was fired upon at Almo Chowk in Quetta. Shops were shut and roads deserted in Quetta on Sunday. Violent protesters blocked roads and burnt tyres to protest Bugti’s killing. A teenager was allegedly shot dead by police when he was playing outside his house during curfew while sporadic gunshots were heard in Quetta and other areas through the night.
“Baloch nationalists will not forgive Islamabad for the great loss inflicted on the Baloch nation,” Kachkol Ali Baloch, leader of the opposition in the Balochistan Assembly, told a press conference. Another Baloch nationalist leader, Mir Hasil Bizenjo, told Daily Times that Bugti’s killing had deepened the hatred against the Pakistan Army in the hearts of the Baloch people.
Angry protesters burnt several official buildings besides manhandling Punjabi settlers in Noshki district on Sunday. The government had to call the Frontier Corps and the Anti-Terrorism Force (ATF) to control the situation, but later imposed a curfew to restore order. Sources said that the protesters also burnt at least 40 shops owned by Punjabis. Police sources said that six protesters were arrested while three people were injured in clashes with the police.
Meanwhile, hundreds of protesters vandalised and burnt a bank, a PIA office and two other buildings in Gwadar. A powerful blast destroyed a NADRA office while angry protesters burnt a telephone exchange in Kalat district. In Khuzdar, violent protesters blocked the Quetta-Karachi highway and around 30 people were injured in clashes with the police. The protesters also attacked Punjabi settlers and they had to take refuge in a police station. Several shops were burnt in Panjgur while the police managed to disperse angry Baloch youth trying to set ablaze offices of some banks. There were also reports of violent protests from almost all districts and tehsils of Balochistan including Awaran, Turbat, Pasroor, Mach and Mustung.
In Karachi, Baloch youths torched several shops and vehicles while they played hide and seek with police in Baloch-populated areas including Kalri, Chakiwara, Baghdadi, Kalakot, Shah Bagh Lane, Singho Lane, Jehangir Road, Patel Para, Old Golimar, Asho Goth, Ghazi Town, Mawach Goth and Yousuf Goth.
More than 30 men attacked a wedding hall where an Independence Day programme was underway and threw stones at the guests. Some of them uprooted a national flag and set it on fire, while others shouted anti-Pakistan and anti-army slogans.
In Hyderabad, security was tightened and most people remained indoors despite a working business day on Sunday.