Re: Nationalist Pakistanis vs. Mullahs --- War is on!
No.....loving your country is not haram....but giving preference to your country or your nationality over Islam is nationalism and it is haram.
so what comes first terrorists in lal masjid our country?
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If you love Islam so much, shouldnt you leave the UK, which wages war against your so called "brothers"?
I don't agree with some policies of British Government about the war and many white English people also disagree with their Government but I abide the laws of this country and love the people of this country as I should be doing that as a muslim .....You have suggested that I should leave UK but you haven't suggested that where should I go after leaving the UK?
Hypocrite!
Why am I a hypocrite? Please explain?
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so what comes first terrorists in lal masjid our country?
According to a hadith A drop of blood of a muslim is more holier than both holy cities(Makkah & Madinah)
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If you love Islam so much, shouldnt you leave the UK, which wages war against your so called "brothers"?
Hypocrite!
^^lol thats right! she needs to move to Saudi.. away from KafirCrusader UK.. go help build an Islamic Caliphate pls.. liberal secular west does not need islamists like her...
legbreak, ajju and Tariq.. you are seriously wasting your time trying to debate with Hareem, I hope you understand soon that THERE IS NO POINT.. you just simply cannot have an intelligent discussion with such people..
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Please answer this question first....then inshaAllah I'll come to other points in your posts.
Is there any democracy in Pakistan today?
Right now Pakistan is under dictatorship at the federal level but have democratic governments at provincial and local levels. However, the Islamist's opposition to Musharaf has nothing to do with him being a dictator. All their noise about their opposition to him because he is a dictator are lies. In fact for them a dictatorship is preferred than a democracy. They absolutley consider democracy agianst Islam.
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^^lol thats right! she needs to move to Saudi.. away from KafirCrusader UK.. go help build an Islamic Caliphate pls.. liberal secular west does not need islamists like her...
legbreak, ajju and Tariq.. you are seriously wasting your time trying to debate with Hareem, I hope you understand soon that THERE IS NO POINT.. you just simply cannot have an intelligent discussion with such people..
On the contrary, I think it is absolutely essential to counter their propaganda and ideology. The claim that the claims of Lal Masjid mullahs were right but their methods were wrong need to be countered. It needs to be pointed out that they are against Pakistan as a state. They don't want democracy. In their world view their is only one Islamic state under one mulla Khalifa fighting a war against the entire rest of the world to conquer them. This mantra that Sharia Law needs to be imposed in Pakistan because Pakistan was created for Islam needs to be answered strongly. We are lucky to be able to point to Aghanistan under Taliban and ask if that is what we want.
Re: Nationalist Pakistanis vs. Mullahs --- War is on!
On the contrary, I think it is absolutely essential to counter their propaganda and ideology. The claim that the claims of Lal Masjid mullahs were right but their methods were wrong need to be countered. It needs to be pointed out that they are against Pakistan as a state. They don't want democracy. In their world view their is only one Islamic state under one mulla Khalifa fighting a war against the entire rest of the world to conquer them. This mantra that Sharia Law needs to be imposed in Pakistan because Pakistan was created for Islam needs to be answered strongly. We are lucky to be able to point to Aghanistan under Taliban and ask if that is what we want.
I agree with your views regarding opposing these retards.. I'm just saying I hope you understand you are never going to actually make them understand or convince them.. maybe the local pakistanis who might suffer and learn that the Talibanized Islam is not the way to go... but people like Hareem... who live in the west and who have nothing to do all day but champion the cause of 'true' Islam over the internet.. ur never going to actually have an intelligent debate with them.. Feel free to try though !
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Please answer this question first....then inshaAllah I'll come to other points in your posts.
Is there any democracy in Pakistan today?
Who cares about Democracy.
As long as we have a free press, free media and minorities are respected thats all we need.
Pakistanis are too stupid to elect proper leaders anyways.
And we have the Bhutto/Nawaz nightmare for 10 years and nothing got done.
What major projects were build during their tenure?
The problem is that these politicians only care about themselves and taking care of the country comes second.
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Guys! Hareem is a classic example of "Born again Muslim (BAM)" or "evangelical Muslim". These guys do not have good "human" education from home. Then they listen to some 2-bit Egyptian Mullu and come home with all this ill-formed religious crap. Not only that! They will also "force" their BAMi version of Islam on you.
People like Hareem say BAM BAM you follow my Islam,
and we say BAM BAM thank you mam.
Hareem quoted two ahadees (saying of Messenger pbuh) and now she is set in stone about the wrong interpretation.
Poor Hareem's knowledge of Islam is even poorer due her lack of intellectual analysis of current time vs. the time of 1400 years ago.
Back then Arab nationalism was a collection of pagan traditions and Arabs insisted that they are correct and Messenger pbuh is wrong.
Arab nationalist back then did many things wrong. Just few examples are:
Now read again the Arabiya Asabiya habits I just listed. And yes our Messenger pbuh strictly forbid us to abuse women in the name of Arabism, Islamism, or any other "ism".
Nationalism doesn't espouse to subject women to the ways of Arabs. Hence it is not even close to the interpretation that Hareem is imposing and forcing upon us.
Hareem is taking the ahadees out of context (like so many half educated Mullu-wanna-bees) and sadly she insists on her being right, and her being right in the name of Islam.
Unfortunately her version of Islam is just another name of Arabiya Asabia. Sad so sad!
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^^ hahahah
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You guys are wasting your time engaging Hareem. It's not like she wants to know anything that was not fed to her by her local Mullah.
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It is narrated by Abu Da'wud that the Messenger of Allah (saaw) said,
"He is not one us of who calls for `Asabiyyah, (nationalism/tribalism) or who fights for Asabiyyah or who dies forAsabiyyah."
And in another Hadith, the Messenger of Allah (saaw) referring tonationalism, racism, and patriotism said"Leave it, it is rotten." [Muslim and Bukhari]
Hareem, pls clarify the status of those soldiers who die fighting for "Pakistan" and not Islam, per se. For instance in '65?
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According to a hadith A drop of blood of a muslim is more holier than both holy cities(Makkah & Madinah)
in Lal masjid sage, Hareem, who drew the first blood?
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According to a hadith A drop of blood of a muslim is more holier than both holy cities(Makkah & Madinah)
Still dodge the question. If blood is so holy why did these "muslims" shoot others Muslims dead?
Why do they kidnap and kill other Muslims in Iraq, Afghanistan. Do you believe the Army and SILENT MAJORITY of Pakistan are kufr?
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Jihadis goal is to kill all Pakistanis who do not agree with their violence or rule. This is the truth that has come out that jihadi supporters have been trying to hide for so long. Someone rightly said that they will not be happy unless they destroy all Muslim countries to establish their empire on the bodies of muslims.
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Back then Arab nationalism was a collection of pagan traditions and Arabs insisted that they are correct and Messenger pbuh is wrong. ...
Now read again the Arabiya Asabiya habits I just listed. *And yes our Messenger pbuh strictly forbid us to abuse women in the name of Arabism, Islamism, or any other "ism". *
Nationalism doesn't espouse to subject women to the ways of Arabs. Hence it is not even close to the interpretation that Hareem is imposing and forcing upon us.
Hareem is taking the ahadees out of context (like so many half educated Mullu-wanna-bees) and sadly she insists on her being right, and her being right in the name of Islam.
Unfortunately her version of Islam is just another name of Arabiya Asabia. Sad so sad!
What nationalism has to do with abusing women?
Also, the Messenger of Allah (saaw) said "Undoubtedly Allah has removed from you the pride of arrogance of the age of Jahilliyah (ignorance) and the glorification of ancestors. **Now people are of two kinds. Either believers who are aware or transgressors who do wrong. You
are all the children of Adam and Adam was made of clay. People should give**
up their pride in nations because that is a coal from the coals of
Hell-fire. If they do not give this up Allah (swt) will consider them lower than the lowly worm which pushes itself through Khara (dung)." [Abu Dawud]
Jabir ibn Abd Allah al Ansari, narrated what happened at the watering place of al Muraysi which led to the Munafiqun stirring up the traces ofAsabiyyah and seeking to destroy the unity of the Muslims. He said: "We were on a raid when one of the Muhajirun kicked one of the Ansar. The Ansar said, O Ansar! Help me! (calling his tribe) and the Muhajir saidO Muhajirun! Help me! (calling his tribe). The Messenger of Allah (saaw) heard them and said, "Why are you stirring up something which belongs to Jahilliyah?"
The Messenger of Allah (saaw) did not deal with the situation only by speaking to his men, but he walked with the men all that day until nightfall, and through the night until morning and during the following day until the sun distressed them. Then he halted them, and as soon as they touched the ground, they fell asleep. He did this to distract their minds from what had transpired.
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Who cares about Democracy.
As long as we have a free press, free media and minorities are respected thats all we need.
you also need one thing and that is end of islam and muslims in Pakistan.
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you also need one thing and that is end of islam and muslims in Pakistan.
huh?
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Nationalist Pakistanis are spilling their blood for the motherland. It is time to mourn the loss of so many brave soldiers of Pak army.
It is also a time to tell the Mullahtic loonies that we won't tolerate your shenanigans anymore. We'll kick your @ss all the way to Kandahar straight into the backyard of Mullah Omer.
Here here... Time to take back Pakistan once and for all!
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Still dodge the question. If blood is so holy why did these "muslims" shoot others Muslims dead?
I don't know who started the shooting first.
Why do they kidnap and kill other Muslims in Iraq, Afghanistan.
I don't think muslims are kidnaping and killing muslims in Iraq or afghanistan.
Do you believe the Army and SILENT MAJORITY of Pakistan are kufr?
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No they are oblivious.