Sheraz
Thanks a lot for contributing to this thread with the details of each of the Imaams, which otherwise wouldn't have been so easy to gather.
AND REST OF THE GUYS
Pleeeeease leave Sheraz CT alone. He is highly capable of turning this into an hate thread in no time. So, please - hands-off this thread all.
Suhaib
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not only him, others too have lot of hatred in their hearts to turn any simple thread into a disgusting quarrel....
sure i have the hatred for the munafiqs....IMO a kaafir is better then a munafiq....i am sure you will agree with that
if you notice all of our Imams have suffered in their lives...starting with Imam Ali (as)....why should i have love and respect for the killers of our Imams? thats just stupid..y'all can keep loving and respect the killers
plus some machchar was talking about sufis...who are sufis? we dont need to go to any sufis when we have our Holy Ahle-bait
you guys keep talking about hanafi shafi maliki..but we dont hear anything about Imam Jafar Sadiq (as)...hanafi has more importance in ur eyes then Imam Jafar Sadiq (as)...its sad because Imam Jafar Sadiq (as) is directly connected to our Holy Prophet (pbuh)..when hanafi was the student of Imam Jafar Sadiq (as) then why did he not follow His (as) teachings? its good to just THINK THINK THINK ..politics was always there from the beginning
well well well
what have we got here
one thing i dont understand is why do u all just jump on one person who is not a sunni or why shias all jjump on one who is a sunni
anyways
Imam hanafi deserves alot of respect...he was a very humble student of Imam Jafar ...and we should end it at that....
and another thing is that some of us are trying to be samrt here and blaming..and picking on the other sect...and i dont need to say names cause u know who u r ...all i gota say is this is not how a muslim acts...u keep on fighting each other and set forth the worst examples for others of muslims...
how abt u keep your difrences to one side and bring forth your similarities...
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THINK THINK THINK ..politics was always there* from the beginning
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So there is no need to fight
In politics people can have different opinions and still remain devout muslims.
Comedy comedy comedy…thats what ur fitna-e-rafiziyat all about.
Abay if the munafiq (us Sunni in ur eyes) are worse than a kafir…why do you perform salaat behind our Imam-e-jamaat??? Ask a Hindu and follow him in salaat because he is better than us. Isn’t it simple?
If you believe in what you are saying than you should not perform salaat behind a sunni (killers of Ahle-bait maaz-allah) because he is sure the worst creature Allah has made. Chandda kidhar ko bhaago gaye? On contrary you can see that Sunniz never pray behind a shia Imam and reason is clear that WHO CLAIMED SHIAANE ALI IN FRONT OF HIMSELF AND THEN RAGED A COUP UNDER THE NAME OF KHAARIJI and WE KNOW VERY WELL WHO INVITED HUSSAIN R.A TO KOOFA 
kiya kiya jhutlaao gaye the history is screaming…but ur blind folded.
May Allah give everyone the Siraat-e-Mustaqeem
In my view, a true sunni will never call a shia kafir and vice versa. Shias and Sunnis are branches of the same tree and both derive their knowledge from the same ultimate sources, i.e. Quran and Rasool.
We never see or hear top aalims from either sides arguing or lebelling each other names. Contastingly, we see them respecting each other because both agree on more things than disagreeing. It is always neem-mullahs- like we have here- who are putting forward their silly claims without looking at the broader picture.
Both the Shiite Imams and Sunni scholars were great aalims. Although u can never take away the fact that the shia Imams are the decendant of our Prophet and their work is way above anyother scholar can achieve. Try reading Sahifa-e-Sajjadia or Nahjul Balagha. These books will teach you about yourself the way no other source can.
first of all yeah abay tabay ki boli apnay apno kay saath hi bolna
with munafiq i was refering to the earlier ones…who actually were kaafir at one time
and if a shia ever prays in a jamaat with sunnis, he prays firada…so dont need to get all excited…when some of ur imams were the students of Imam Jafar Sadiq (as) then why are you praying the way hanafi prayed..why not how Imam Jafar Sadiq (as) prayed namaz
and chanda Imam Ali (as) kay followers nahi bhaagtay…kuch log zaroor bhaagay thay and unko kaisay bhool saktay hain 
its clear in the history who the dushmans of Ahle Bait were…dont let me list the names here now again
pathan bhai they wont read Nahjul Balagah…let them stick with the ‘ghalat’ stuff
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Both the Shiite Imams and Sunni scholars were great aalims. Although u can never take away the fact that the shia Imams are the decendant of our Prophet and their work is way above anyother scholar can achieve. Try reading Sahifa-e-Sajjadia or Nahjul Balagha. These books will teach you about yourself the way no other source can.
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I asked long time ago if this book is available online. Can you tell me if it is?
http://www.al-islam.org/nahjul/index.htm thats the link for Nahjul Balagha
here is another good link:
What evidence you have that Imam Jafar may Allah peace be upon him prayed the way you guys do? Did he use the Karbala's clay tablet as well? Did he change the kalima (Ali wali allah wasi ur rasoll Allah)? In his mosque, was it the same adhaan as you guys call? What is the proof of these books being written by Imam himself and not by some underground rafidiz? Because some of your books were not surfaced for decades even centuries after thier writers died. How many Shiaz were around these Imams in their times and how many were their students? Or it is like according to your books that they used to teach the ordinary Muslims the whole day (doing taqqiyya) and in private they used to teach their selected Shiaz (the teaching what shiaism is based on).
as i said earlier every Imam (as) suffered...most of the Imams (as) spent many years in prison...so who were these ppl...were they kaafir or muslims...they were the offspring of mawiya and yazeed...same ppl who fought Imam Ali (as) were fighting with His (as) children...and amazingly you sunnis respect mawiya as well...does any sunni even know about these Imams (as)...i am tired of your wahabi nonsense
Sheraz you didn't asnwer my question in my last post.
And for myself, Allah knows better how I feel about mardood Yazid. And for Mawiyya, the truth is that I do not respect him as I do for Ali R.A and Omar R.A or any other Sahabi R.A.
Again...What evidence you have that Imam Jafar may Allah peace be upon him prayed the way you guys do?
Did he use the Karbala's clay tablet as well? Did he change the kalima (Ali wali allah wasi ur rasoll Allah)?
In his mosque, was it the same adhaan as you guys call? What is the proof of these books being written by Imam himself and not by some underground rafidiz? Because some of your books were not surfaced for decades even centuries after thier writers died.
How many Shiaz were around these Imams in their times and how many were their students?
Or it is like according to your books that they used to teach the ordinary Muslims the whole day (doing taqqiyya) and in private they used to teach their selected Shiaz (the teaching what shiaism is based on).
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Again...What evidence you have that Imam Jafar may Allah peace be upon him prayed the way you guys do?
Did he use the Karbala's clay tablet as well? Did he change the kalima (Ali wali allah wasi ur rasoll Allah)?
In his mosque, was it the same adhaan as you guys call? What is the proof of these books being written by Imam himself and not by some underground rafidiz? Because some of your books were not surfaced for decades even centuries after thier writers died.
How many Shiaz were around these Imams in their times and how many were their students?
Or it is like according to your books that they used to teach the ordinary Muslims the whole day (doing taqqiyya) and in private they used to teach their selected Shiaz (the teaching what shiaism is based on).
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Prophet (pbuh) prayed on clay (mitti)...it does not have to be from Karbala..but Karbala has great significance for us...some of our books were not surfaced...why not? were ppl doing taqiyyah? yeah probably...human life has great importance in Islam..so yeah we have to save our lives...i kept on telling you that all the Imams (as) suffered, were prisioned, martyred....imagine what would have happended to their followers...our Imams (as) told us to do taqiyyah...why would he want his followeres to get killed? do you even know what taqiyyah means? what r they teaching you in ur madrasa? and for your kind information shia means follower..follower of Imam Ali (as), after the death of Prophet Mohummad (pbuh)..it is us who follow Imam Ali (as) and his offspring.....Azan and Kalima are the same...its your khalifa who changed the aazaan....its really stupid that some muslims would call that a good bibah...pathetic if you ask me...now this better be clear for you
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I asked long time ago if this book is available online. Can you tell me if it is?
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Somebody has already provided you the online links. However, if u r interested in a hard copy then u can get them off amazon.com. I got mine last year off amazon 2.
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Prophet (pbuh) prayed on clay (mitti)...it does not have to be from Karbala..but Karbala has great significance for us...some of our books were not surfaced...why not? were ppl doing taqiyyah? yeah probably...human life has great importance in Islam..so yeah we have to save our lives...i kept on telling you that all the Imams (as) suffered, were prisioned, martyred....imagine what would have happended to their followers...our Imams (as) told us to do taqiyyah...why would he want his followeres to get killed? do you even know what taqiyyah means? what r they teaching you in ur madrasa? and for your kind information shia means follower..follower of Imam Ali (as), after the death of Prophet Mohummad (pbuh)..it is us who follow Imam Ali (as) and his offspring.....Azan and Kalima are the same...its your khalifa who changed the aazaan....its really stupid that some muslims would call that a good bibah...pathetic if you ask me...now this better be clear for you
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ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh :D good ke tum khul kar samne aagaye....ab pata chal gya hoga baaqi bhai logon ko bhi how the shiaism started... perhaps as an underground movement founded by Abdullah ibne Saba (the leader of munafiqs) and later on carried by the people of Koofa and Basra. You also exposed ur Iman's vital pilar TAQQIYYA aur ye ke Ali R.A se lekar saare Imamo ne taqqiyya kiya.
BTW the poison stories that you mentioned about are not valid from independent sources. Only Hassan R.A was poisoned by his wife and Allah knows better. Correct your history knowledge, and the Azan and Kalima was like what it is in Islam. This Rafidhi kalima was no where in early Islamic days till this fitna got stronger in Fatmids time in Egypt and in Iran. Open your Eyes the Quran that you read was compiled under the supervision of Umer R.A and compilation was done in Usaman R.A's time. ab puri duniya ki history change karo gaye kiya apne beliefs ko proof karne ke liye?????
And Sunni's stance is that whoever killed innocent Ahle-bait be it Khariji, Ummvi, Abbasi, Shia, Ismailiz, they should have shown the jahannum by Allah SWT.
** ab aap sirf mujhe ye bata dein ahsaan farmaa ke kay jub koofay ke SHIAAN-E-ALI ne letters likh likh kar Hussain R.A ko yaqeen dilaya ke woh unkay haath per bait karliengay aur yazeed ka saath hargiz nahi deingay, tou jub Nawasa-e-Rasool R.A itni mushkilaein jhel kar Medina se Mekkah aur phir wahan se Iraq aaye aur Koofa (now Najf) se sirf 25 KM dur rah gaye....karbala mein..where the hell those thousands of shia disappeared and Hussain R.A was left alone with his 72 companions only????? kyon nahi aye unki madded ko as per their promise? Rasool SAW kay nawase ko is tarah Ibne Ziyaad ke kutton ne shaheed kiya aur Shiaan-e-Ali sirf 25KM dur apnay apnay gharon mein dabkay howe bethay rahe?? koi maai ka laal nahi aaya huq ki sada buland karne aur batil ko lalkarne...ilawa Hur aur unkay saathiyon ke???? kahan gayi woh jaanisaari ahle bait ke liye??? **
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pathan bhai they wont read Nahjul Balagah…let them stick with the ‘ghalat’ stuff
Some of the interesting ‘items’ in the Nahjul Balagha, what Hazrat Ali (ra) had to say about his followers!
The link is given below:
Replying against Shia from their most authentic book, Nahjul Balagha
The Shia turned Imam Ali (may Allah be pleased with him) down and did not support him in many battles even after they gave him their pledge and took an oath to obey him. Whenever he asked them for help, they opposed his commandments till he said to them:
“Now then, surely jihad is one of the doors of Paradise, which Allah has opened for His chief friends. It is the dress of piety and the protective armour of Allah and His trustworthy shield. Whoever abandons it Allah covers him with the dress of disgrace and the clothes of distress. He is kicked with contempt and scorn, and his heart is veiled with screens (of neglect). Truth is taken away from him because of missing jihad. He has to suffer ignominy and justice is denied to him.”
“Beware! I called you (insistently) to fight these people night and day, secretly and openly and exhorted you to attack them before they attacked you, because by Allah, no people have been attacked in the hearts of their houses but they suffered disgrace; but you put it off to others and forsook it till destruction befell you and your cities were occupied.”
“How strange! How strange! By Allah my heart sinks to see the unity of these people on their wrong and your dispersion from your right. Woe and grief befall you. You have become the target at which arrows are shot. You are being killed and you do not kill. You are being attacked but you do not attack. Allah is being disobeyed and you remain agreeable to it. When I ask you to move against them in summer you say it is hot weather. Spare us till heat subsides from us. When I order you to march in winter you say it is severely cold; give us time till cold clears from us. These are just excuses for evading heat and cold because if you run away from heat and cold, you would be, by Allah, running away (in a greater degree) from sword (war).”
“O’ you semblance of men, not men (!!!), your intelligence is that of children and your wit is that of the occupants of the curtained canopies (women kept in seclusion from the outside world). I wish I had not seen you nor known you. By Allah, this acquaintance has brought about shame and resulted in repentance. May Allah fight you! You have filled my heart with pus and loaded my bosom with rage. You made me drink mouthful of grief one after the other. You shattered my counsel by disobeying and leaving me so much so that Quraysh started saying that the son of Abi Talib is brave but does not know (tactics of) war. Allah bless them ! Is any one of them more fierce in war and more older in it than I am? I rose for it although yet within twenties, and here I am, have crossed over sixty, but one who is not obeyed can have no opinion.”
Then he described their jihad by saying:
“O’ people, your bodies are together but your desires are divergent. Your talk softens the hard stones and your action attracts your enemy towards you. You claim in your sittings that you would do this and that, but when fighting approaches, you say (to war), “turn thou away” (i.e. flee away). If one calls you (for help) the call receives no heed. And he who deals hardly with you his heart has no solace. The excuses are amiss like that of a debtor unwilling to pay. The ignoble can not ward off oppression. Right cannot be achieved without effort. Which is the house besides this one to protect? And with which leader (Imam) would you go for fighting after me?”
“By Allah! deceived is one whom you have deceived while, by Allah! he who is successful with you receives only useless arrows. You are like broken arrows thrown over the enemy. By Allah! I am now in the position that I neither confirm your views nor hope for your support, nor challenge the enemy through you. What is the matter with you? What is your ailment? What is your cure? The other party is also men of your shape (but they are so different in character). Will there be talk without action, carelessness without piety and greed in things not right?!”
Then he said to them:
“Woe to you. I am tired of rebuking you. Do you accept this worldly life in place of the next life? Or disgrace in place of dignity? When I invite you to fight your enemy your eyes revolve as though you are in the clutches of death, and in the senselessness of last moments. My pleadings are not understood by you and you remain stunned. It is as though your hearts are affected with madness so that you do not understand. You have lost my confidence for good. Neither are you a support for me to lean upon, nor a means to honour and victory. Your example is that of the camels whose protector has disappeared, so that if they are collected from one side they disperse away from the other side.”
And after Ali scolds his Shia, he brings up an example so they use it as a role model. He did not find any examples but those of the Sahaba (who are apostates in the opinion of Shia)
“I have seen the companions of the Prophet but I do not find anyone resembling them (!!!). They began the day with dust on the hair and face (in hardship of life) and passed the night in prostration and standing in prayers. Sometimes they put down their foreheads and sometimes their cheeks. With the recollection of their resurrection it seemed as though they stood on live coal. It seemed that in between their eyes there were signs like knees of goats, resulting from long prostrations. When Allah was mentioned their eyes flowed freely till their shirt collars were drenched. They trembled for fear of punishment and hope of reward as the tree trembles on the day of stormy wind.” (Those are the one’s whom Kalini claims are Kuffar in Al-Kafi, the most authentic Shia books!)
Then he describes his fighting with the Sahaba by saying:
“In the company of the Prophet of Allah (PBUH) we used to fight our parents, sons, brothers and uncles, and this continued us in our faith, in submission, in our following the right path, in endurance over the pangs of pain and in our fight against the enemy. A man from our side and one from the enemy would pounce upon each other like energetic men contesting as to who would kill the other; sometime our man got over his adversary and some-time the enemy’s man got over ours.”
“When Allah had observed our truth He sent ignominy to our foe and sent His succour to us till Islam got established (like the camel) with neck on the ground and resting in its place. By my life, if we had also behaved like you (he is talking to his Shi’a), no pillar of (our) religion could have been raised, nor the tree of faith could have borne leaves (!!!). By Allah, certainly you will now milk our blood (instead of milk) and eventually you will face shame.”
“By Allah, he whom people like you support must suffer disgrace and he who throws arrows with your support is as if he throws arrows that are broken both at head and tail. By Allah, within the courtyard you are quite numerous but under the banner you are only a few… Allah may disgrace your faces and destroy you. You do not understand the right as you understand the wrong and do not crush the wrong as you crush the right.”
“By Allah, I did not come to you of my own accord. I came to you by force of circumstances (!!!). I have come to know that you say `Ali speaks lie!!! May Allah fight you! Against whom do I speak lie? Whether against Allah? But I am the first to have believed in him. Whether against His Prophet? But I am the first who testified to him. Certainly not. By Allah it was a way of expression which you failed to appreciate, and you were not capable of it.”
When people decided to Swear allegiance at Amir al-mu’minin’s hand after the murder of `Uthman, he said:
“Leave me and seek some one else. We are facing a matter which has (several) faces and colours, which neither hearts can stand nor intelligence can accept. Clouds are hovering over the sky, and faces are not discernible. You should know that if I respond to you I would lead you as I know and would not care about whatever one may say or abuse. If you leave me then I am the same as you are. It is possible I would listen to and obey whomever you make in charge of your affairs. I am better for you as a counsellor than as chief.”
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Ali (RA) said to the Kharijites:
"With regard to me, two categories of people will be ruined, namely he who loves me too much and the love takes him away from rightfulness, and he who hates me too much and the hatred takes him away from rightfulness. The best man with regard to me is he who is on the middle course. So be with him and be with the great majority (of Muslims) because Allah's hand (of protection) is on keeping unity. You should beware of division because the one isolated from the group is (a prey) to Satan just as the one isolated from the flock of sheep is (a prey) to the wolf."
And we all know that people at that time were divided into three groups:
Ahlu-Sunnah wal Jama'a (Sunnis): Those were the majority who loved Imam Ali (may Allah be pleased with him) on the middle course.
The Shia: The ones who loved him too much till they were deviated from the Straight Path.
The Khawarij: Those who hated him till they were deviated from the Straight Path.
So Ali (may Allah be pleased with him) proved the perishability of the Shia and Kharijites and called for joining Ahlul-Sunnah. What other speech will they ever believe???!!!
"I praise Allah for whatever matter He ordained and whatever action He destines and for my trial with you, O' group of people who do not obey when I order and do not respond when I call you. If you are at ease you engage in (conceited) conversation, but if you are faced with battle you show weakness. If people agree on one Imam you taunt each other. If you are faced with an arduous matter you turn away from it. May others have no father (woe to your enemy!) what are you waiting for in the matter of your assistance and for fighting for your rights? For you there is either death or disgrace. By Allah, if my day (of death) comes. and it is sure to come, it will cause separation between me and you although I am sick of your company and feel lonely with you. May Allah deal with you! Is there no religion which may unite you nor sense of shamefulness that may sharpen you?"
"By Allah, I had no liking for the caliphate nor any interest in government, but you yourselves invited me to it and prepared me for it."
"May Allah reward such and such man (*) who straightened the curve, cured the disease, abandoned mischief and established the sunnah. He departed (from this world) with untarnished clothes and little shortcomings. He achieved good (of this world) and remained safe from its evils. He offered Allah's obedience and feared Him as He deserved. He went away and left the people in dividing ways wherein the misled cannot obtain guidance and the guided cannot attain certainty."
(*) Ibn Abi'l-Hadid has written (in Sharh Nahj al-balaghah, vol. 14, pp. 3-4) that the reference here is to the second Caliph Umar, and that these sentences have been uttered in his praise as indicated by the word 'Umar' written under the word 'such and such' in as-Sayyid ar-Radi's own hand in the manuscript of Nahj al-balaghah written by him.
"Verily, those who took the oath of allegiance to Abu Bakr, Umar and Uthman have sworn allegiance to me. Now those who were present at the election have no right to go back against their oaths of allegiance and those who were not present on the occasion have no right to oppose me. And so far as Shura (limited franchise or selection) was concerned it was supposed to be limited to Muhajirs and Ansars and it was also supposed that whomsoever they selected, became caliph as per approval and pleasure of Allah. If somebody goes against such decision, then he should be persuaded to adopt the course followed by others, and if he refuses to fall in line with others, then war is the only course left open to be adopted against him and as he has refused to follow the course followed by the Muslims, Allah will let him wander in the wilderness of his ignorance and schism."
TO MU'AWIYA ON HIS (ALI'S) RIGHT TO THE CALIPHATE.
"The thing began in this way: We and the Syrians were facing each other while we had common faith in one allah, in the same prophet and on the same principles and canons of religion. So far as faith in allah and the holy prophet was concerned we never wanted them (the syrians) to believe in anything over and above or other than what they were believing in and they did not want us to change our faith. Both of us were united on these principles. The point of contention between us was the question of the murder of Uthman. It had created the split. They wanted to lay the murder at my door while I am actually innocent of it."
TO THE PEOPLE OF VARIOUS PROVINCES, GIVING THEM THE CAUSES OF THE BATTLE OF SIFFIN.
Those are the Shia of Ali and his children and those are the companions of the Prophet (PBUH) in the opinion of Ali and from their most authentic books. But Shia refuse to admit the truth though it's apparent to all. So I can't describe them with anything other than what Ali (RA) did when he said: You do not understand the right as you understand the wrong and do not crush the wrong as you crush the right.
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ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh :D good ke tum khul kar samne aagaye....ab pata chal gya hoga baaqi bhai logon ko bhi how the shiaism started... perhaps as an underground movement founded by Abdullah ibne Saba (the leader of munafiqs) and later on carried by the people of Koofa and Basra. You also exposed ur Iman's vital pilar TAQQIYYA aur ye ke Ali R.A se lekar saare Imamo ne taqqiyya kiya.
BTW the poison stories that you mentioned about are not valid from independent sources. Only Hassan R.A was poisoned by his wife and Allah knows better. Correct your history knowledge, and the Azan and Kalima was like what it is in Islam. This Rafidhi kalima was no where in early Islamic days till this fitna got stronger in Fatmids time in Egypt and in Iran. Open your Eyes the Quran that you read was compiled under the supervision of Umer R.A and compilation was done in Usaman R.A's time. ab puri duniya ki history change karo gaye kiya apne beliefs ko proof karne ke liye?????
And Sunni's stance is that whoever killed innocent Ahle-bait be it Khariji, Ummvi, Abbasi, Shia, Ismailiz, they should have shown the jahannum by Allah SWT.
** ab aap sirf mujhe ye bata dein ahsaan farmaa ke kay jub koofay ke SHIAAN-E-ALI ne letters likh likh kar Hussain R.A ko yaqeen dilaya ke woh unkay haath per bait karliengay aur yazeed ka saath hargiz nahi deingay, tou jub Nawasa-e-Rasool R.A itni mushkilaein jhel kar Medina se Mekkah aur phir wahan se Iraq aaye aur Koofa (now Najf) se sirf 25 KM dur rah gaye....karbala mein..where the hell those thousands of shia disappeared and Hussain R.A was left alone with his 72 companions only????? kyon nahi aye unki madded ko as per their promise? Rasool SAW kay nawase ko is tarah Ibne Ziyaad ke kutton ne shaheed kiya aur Shiaan-e-Ali sirf 25KM dur apnay apnay gharon mein dabkay howe bethay rahe?? koi maai ka laal nahi aaya huq ki sada buland karne aur batil ko lalkarne...ilawa Hur aur unkay saathiyon ke???? kahan gayi woh jaanisaari ahle bait ke liye??? **
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loads of crap..thats what your posts are..ulta chor kotwaal ko daantay....do you know who Shia-ne-Ali were...they were the companions that got martyred for Imam Hussain (as)..when you have the money and power you acn write your own history..it started right after Prophets (pbuh) death...Imam Hussain (as) already knew whats going to happen in Karbala..even He (as) said my companions are even better then the companions of My Nana and My father
your history is as sick as your wahabi mind
so what didnt you like about taqiyyah? you morons have no importance for the human life..this talibani mentality won't get you anywhere boy
Ibn Sadiq, Imam Ali (as) is refering to mardoods like you and the ones who created this websites...enough said