At the outset I must point out that erudition, like a typical Islamist, fails to spell out the specifics of his utopia. They merely chant "Islam! Islam! Islam!" and then took their countries downwards when they come into power and have to implement actual policies and laws.
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The big difference between sharia and any 'secular' law seems to me is that the latter either has mechanisms built in to make such needed adjustments whereas the former is held set in stone and unable to adjust.
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Exactly and your IP example is a good one. Another example is shariah's provisions on rape. Under shariah you need 4 *male *witnesses (just one of numerous examples of sexism under shariah) to prove rape. This is a ridiculous standard. Rapes don't occur in bazaars but in isolated places. You are never going to find 4 witnesses, let alone 4 male witnesses. Moreover, DNA testing was developed in the 20th century. That provides the best evidence of whether a rape occurred. Under archaic shariah law DNA evidence is irrelevant in a rape case because shariah's authors apparently were unaware that DNA testing would be invented. This is a joke. Every place that can afford it uses DNA testing--except the lands of 9th century shariah law.
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when there is no need for two religions to co-exisit, then the dominant one can prevail as law; but we have multiple religions in this global village that have to co-exist; that is why we need a law that is above all religions (eg the Constitution) to uphold justice
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That is because you believe in equal rights for religious minorities. Fans of shariah do not and hence could not care less about coexistence. They seek religious apartheid, not coexistence.
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Who will implement Shariah? Angels won't come to do it.
We have a lot of people who will do it when time comes.
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People like you. So tell us what laws your shariah entails. Why are you unwilling to do this? Is it because you know people would reject it if they knew what your ilk propose?
I never had to implement secularism. It has existed in my country for over 200 years. It has worked quite well here. Notice how many countries copy the American model of government? Few nations look to Iran or Sudan as a model.
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In fact Islam presents the real solutions. First there is self policing, which you secular system does not have.
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There is self policing in secular systems. This is another Islamist myth.
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Stealing software and intellectual property is stealing and is thus punishable as such.
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The fundamental issue in IP law is what is defined as "intellectual property." What is the shariah definition of what constitutes IP? Surely shariah, a law allegedly written for all situations and all time, would have laws regarding IP given its importance in the 21st century world.
We have given you two specific examples: IP and rape. How about a general issue? What is the shariah solution to the separation of powers? Most successful countries have separation of powers in government. What does shariah say about this? Shariah calls for political, religious, military, and social power to be united in the hands of a single man (always a man under shariah)...That worked in ancient and medieval times; it cannot work in modern times.
Human nature remains the same, societies and the needs of the societies change over time. This is why every law aside from shariah and Talmudic law provide the ability to adapt to changing times.
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In addition, by just emphasizing the penal codes, like Saudis and Taliban do, a major portion of shariah that is about social justice and welfare is ignored.
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The Saudis have plenty of welfare programs. Social justice? Very little given that it gives zero rights to non-Muslims, few rights to Shia Muslims, and treats women as "property' of their husbands.
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As I said earlier, and you dodged away from it, can you bring an example of the so called Islamic system today prevalent anywhere that comes close to the times of Khulafa ar Rashideen. Surely not.
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The burden is on you. You originally claimed "true" shariah is different from current shariah. List the tenets of "true" shariah and then compare that to the shariah that actually exists in several countries today. In my book shariah in Saudi Arabia is similar to the shariah of 7th century Arabia, but you are free to attempt to prove this wrong. Where do you think Saudi Arabia got its laws? Their laws are derived to a large extent from the laws and precedents of 7th century Arabia, with a dose of Roman law and Arab customs thrown in and frozen for the past 1,000 years. The Arab ulema who refined shariah for a few generations (and then essentially froze it for 1,000+ years) did so on these bases.
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Maybe the Scandanavian model comes closer to the Islamic welfare state model.
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This is an example of how much reliance Islamists have on mythology. The Scandanavian socialist model is far different than the 7th century Arabian state/Arab empire. For one, the Scandinavian model has tenets of equal rights for minorities, including religious minorities, and outlaws slavery. In contrast, the state you refer to allowed slavery and committed what would today be classified as ethnic cleansing when Umar expelled all non-Muslims from Arabia. Scandinavian countries provide extensive help to the poor; the Arab empire provided basics, such as food, but had a rudimentary welfare state (although advanced for its time. This is another example of what was cutting edge 1,400 years ago is insignificant in the modern world). For example, education was the domain of the rich under the Arab empire. In contrast, Scandinavian countries extensively subsidize education, including college education, so it is available to all of its people. A high school education is available for free to all and college is affordable to all due to the low subsidized price and loans/grants; not even a basic education was universally available in the Arab empire.
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You measure success by what? Islamic standards of success have spiritual as well as material wellbeing.
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Economic success, political strength.
So why are Muslims rushing to immigrate to the US, Canada, and Europe? Why not go to Sudan or Iran where they can experience your spiritual shariah success? Incidentally, your Islamist utopia in Iran has an epidemic of prostitution and drug use...
Turkey is more prosperous than Malaysia. Malaysia is the most overrated country by Muslims. It is nowhere near as affluent as Muslims imagine it is. Besides, a large share of the wealth in Malaysia is held by non-Muslims (especially the Chinese). Turkey is the best example for the Muslim world if it insists on looking to only an Islamic model.
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You fail to consider the amount of sanctions Zionist Americans have placed on Iranian people.
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What kind of excuse is that? Iran, according to its own rhetoric and ideology, has god on its side. God is supreme, right? So why doesn't the Iranian supreme leader, who claims to be God's representative on Earth, contact God to lead its nation to the promised heights of prosperity?
The USSR barely traded with the US and became a superpower. If the "godless" Soviets could do this with communism surely Iran with Islamism, the magic ideology, can do the same. Germany was in ruins and under sanctions far more severe than modern day Iran, which is sanctioned basically only by one country, and rose to conquer most of Europe in a matter of years.
Besides, the sanctions were placed after Iran took Americans hostage and started chanting "death with America." If you mess with the bull be prepared to feel its horns...Khomenini and his pals opted to poke the eye of the world's most powerful country because they believed they had god on their side and were immune from any consequences.
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Saudis are happy with the amount of money they are making. All other countries were poor anyway, shariat or not.
I don't buy that argument of yours.
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You have to listen to what Islamists promise. They promise utopia. They say shariah and Islamism create the "perfect" system with solutions to every imaginable problem. They say if only the magic of Islamism is implemented their country will rise to prosperity and power. You have to compare the record to the rhetoric. Just like communism, which made similar promises, Islamism has failed to deliver again and again and again...Islamism is so bankrupt it cannot even maintain the standard of living in societies it is implemented in let alone reach its prosperous utopia.
) I live in the land of liberty. You cannot force me to write four letters. Adding “prophet” every time is lame. In the US “prophets” are usually referred to by their names, i.e. Moses/Musa is called “Moses” and not “prophet Moses”, Abraham just that, Abraham.