Nadeem F. Paracha spews more hatred for Islam

This article does not even deserve to be posted but just to highlight what Dawn Media group is up to.

Dawn finally realizes that they are wrong and just add this line below the article:
“The views expressed by this blogger and in the following reader comments do not necessarily reflect the views and policies of the Dawn Media Group.”

Obviously Dawn agrees with them, that is why it is there.

The name’s Kasab
Posted by Nadeem F. Paracha in Featured Articles, Pakistan, Politics, Satire on 09 18th, 2009 | no responses
What’s with this name, Kasab (sometimes also spelled with a Q)? There have been three (in)famous Kasabs in Pakistan – and all of them religious crackpots!

First there was one Yusuf Kasab who was arrested by the police in the early 1990s and accused of committing ‘blasphemy’ by proclaiming that he was a prophet. He was killed by a fellow inmate while awaiting trail in jail.

Then there is Ajmal Kasab, a Pakistani terrorist and jihadi who was involved in the 2008 Mumbai attacks. Incidentally, the mass murderer was the only attacker captured alive by police and is currently in Indian custody.

The third Kasab is yet another mad-faith-crank. He’s Sher Muhammad Kasab, a frontline butcher of the Takreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) who was recently arrested by the Pakistan Army.

Of course, all these crackpots having a similar surname is no more than a coincidence, but it sure is a meaningful concurrent.

Because if one chronologically follows the exploits of all the Kasabs, he can draw a fairly interesting narrative about the madness of Islamic fanaticism that until recently had threatened to rip society and the country apart.

Yusuf Kasab, the so-called ‘false prophet’ may have been a victim of the ‘blasphemy’ trend - unfolded by General Ziaul Haq’s myopic laws and warped ‘moral’ antics in the 1980s, that has seen a number of self-righteous fanatics accusing Christians and fellow Muslims alike for committing ‘blasphemy.’

But the truth is, Yusuf was reflecting yet another tendency that had developed in Pakistan’s checkered post-Zia set-up.

When the defeat of the Soviet Union in Afghanistan was overenthusiastically claimed and propagated by local Islamists as ‘Islam’s victory over atheism,’ it was conveniently forgotten that the mujahiddin would have remained to be nothing more than a dusty army of ill-equipped rag-tags, had the American CIA (with covert support from Israel’s staunchly anti-Soviet intelligence agencies); along with the Pakistani ISI and Saudi Arabia, not been so generous in dishing out billions of dollars worth of arms and training.

Basking in the glory of jihad’s victory and mindlessly buying into the notion that they alone had defeated the atheistic enemy, a wave of euphoria ran wild across the Islamist milieu; a belief that they were capable of imposing ‘Islamic regimes’ anywhere they wanted to.

Such delusions were behind the creation of various puritanical and violent organizations across the Muslim world – especially in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Sudan.

This belief also gave birth to ‘prophets.’ Or men who believed that they were either on the verge of some kind of superhuman enlightenment or, more so, had already attained it – enough to also announce their new status.

Ever since the peak years of Zia’s disastrous years as a ‘pious leader,’ and all across the troublesome ‘decade of democracy’ in which Benazir Bhutto and Nawaz Sharif semi-consciously played in the hands of Machiavellian intelligence agencies and vengeful bureaucrats – thus giving new-born Islamists the chaotic space that they required to set up shop – numerous reports have emerged of bearded holy men suddenly claiming something that their equally fanatical opponents (from different Islamic sects and sub-sects), have labeled as being ‘blasphemous.’

This level of spiritual delusion and holy grandeur emerges in societies where religiosity has become a social muscle with which to do lucrative business, plunder and prey on impressionable faith-based vulnerabilities, and twist the arms of the opponents; but it is also true that none of the hundreds of ‘blasphemy’ accusations made in Pakistani courts and streets have ever been convincingly proven.

If delusions of grandeur like the one Yusuf Kasab seemed to have been suffering from is a madness, then the blasphemy accusation is the tool used by an opposing insanity to cure a madness they do not like the contents of.

It’s madness accusing madness; and in a society where religiosity has become both an industry and a meaningless public display of identity, (what sort of identity display does this nut case want?) reason is not allowed to mediate between the two shimmering insanities.

Men like Yusuf Kasab and those who asked for him to be hanged for blasphemy, both have always been blessed with large followings. But the most worrying thing is, so-called deluded false prophets and their counterparts in opposing sectarian and fanatical organizations also have (as followers), educated middle-class men and women.

To put it simply, reason and rationality has gone missing in the debates between competing sects and sub-sects of Islam in Pakistan, rendering many sections of the urban bourgeoisie and petty-bourgeoisie reeling hopeless in trying to find a national and religious identity through the many crackpots that frequent our mosques, drawing-rooms and worse of all, TV screens.

Now we come to the other Kasab: Ajmal – the young twenty-something gung-ho who learned Karate and Kung-Fu but did not know what to do with these martial arts. Coming from a class (petty-bourgeoisie), which in the Punjab (the province Ajmal belongs to), was the muscle behind the Islamic parties’ agitation against the Z A. Bhutto regime in 1977, and backed Zia’s ‘Islamization’ in the 1980s, is perhaps the most vivid example of ** public displays of religiosity that has gripped Pakistan. ** (there is no doubt that he hates Islam)

Thus, it was rather natural for Ajmal to become a Jackie Chan for a holier cause: Islamic Jihad.

But this one got caught. There are still numerous Ajmal Kasabs frequenting mosques, madrassahs and martial arts training schools in the Punjab, caught between what they see in action-packed Bollywood and Hollywood blockbusters and what they hear from crackpots that masquerade as imams, maulvies and ‘scholars.’

But both these Kasabs, no matter how deluded or violent, are nothing like our third Kasab: Sher Muhammad.

This Kasab would brilliantly fit in like a glove in a bad American splatter movie. An important member of the TTP, Sher Muhammad was notorious for the number of beheadings and cold-blooded slaughtering of dozens of Pakistani security men and ‘infidels’ that he undertook.

He would sometimes use a sword to chop his victims’ heads or, worse, use a knife to literally slaughter an ‘infidel’ like a butcher does a cow or a goat on Bukra Eid.

Done in the name of religion, this, at best, can be defined as the extreme condition of the faith-based social psychosis that had been developing in the country for the last thirty years.

What to do with a violent, cold-blooded psychotic like Sher Muhammad?

He is beyond detoxification. He must be used to reign in similar mad men that, fortunately, are now on the run due to the Army’s and the government’s recent operations in Swat and Waziristan.

However, optimistically musing, can one suggest that since the third Kasab - demonstrating the extreme end of the religious delusions that became part of Pakistan’s religious milieu ever since the ‘Afghan Jihad,’ - was caught, is this symbolic of the society reaching its limit in this context?

A limit and a peak from which one can only decent into something more reflective, rational and democratic? Let’s hope so … Unless there is yet another Kasab in the making.

Re: Nadeem F. Paracha spews more hatred for Islam

So, which Kasab are you fan of?

How is this being unIslamic?!?!

Ironically, you seem to be playing into the very same overhyped religiousity that the author is complaining about...

Most sensible people would agree with him. And Dawn is right to have printed his views.

Learn to appreciate the views of the other side if you expect others to respect you...

Re: Nadeem F. Paracha spews more hatred for Islam

hmm...i dont see any unIslamic or Islamic aspect being addressed in the article, rather i see a correct visualization of current pakistan which ofcourse is following everything except for the teachings of Islam.

Re: Nadeem F. Paracha spews more hatred for Islam

'All terrorists come from Punjab'?

Did 'Islamic militancy' originated from Soviet defeat in Afghanistan or creation of Israel?

What is really unislamic in this particular article which you think should not have been published. I was rather amused by writers comments of relating these medieval semi intelligent bearded monkeys as considering themselves as Jackie Chan.

I am also against this public dispaly of religiosity which taliban have shown by flogging publicly a women and by slaughtering people or these medieval monkeys show by suicide bombing the innocent people or inciting killer mullah mobs on masjid loud speaker. Will you also give a fatwa against me being Islam hater !!!

Infact the writer is damn right when he said:

“numerous reports have emerged of bearded holy men suddenly claiming something that their equally fanatical opponents (from different Islamic sects and sub-sects), have labeled as being ‘blasphemous.’”

Looking at your comments it is obvious that inspite of Dawn’s clarification that they do not necessarily endorse the writers views as stated policy of the publication you have given a fatwa that Dawn is anti islamic. Also you have given a fatwa against the writer of this article being anti islamic without explaining what is unislamic in this article..

I would like to ask you about your next step. Are you trying to incite mullah mentality posters at GS and organise a mulla mob to burn the publication’s infra structure and kill Mr. Paracha by fracturing his jaw and smashing his skull. You are using Gup Shup forum to incite fanatics in the same way as some local mullahs use mosque loud speakers to issue fatwas of somebody being anti islamic and organize mullah killer mobs !

The title of your thread “Nadeem F. Paracha spews hatred for Islam” is enough to incite mullah mentality posters here in the forum and will be ready to kill these allegedly fatwaed Islam haters (as per your holy declaration) under your leadership…

There is another publication and another writer awaiting your holy fatwa…enjoy reading!

Too much politics, too much hypocrisy
Friday, September 18, 2009
By Ayaz Amir

How many doom-and-gloom stories can any reasonable person endure? More than a nation at war we are a nation in perpetual crisis, vaguely discontented if there is no real crisis at hand.

In no other country of the world would a Brigadier Imtiaz Billa, a spook who put up his gloves years ago, be taken seriously. Yet in recent days the media almost succeeded in turning him into a TV celebrity, an outcome which must have taken him by surprise most of all.

This is just by way of example to underline something obvious about Pakistan: there is too much politics in this country. Why is this so? Why is politics the staple of everyday conversation? Because – and here’s the paradox --** there is too much religion in this country. By which, Heaven forbid, I do not mean the genuine article but religious cant and hypocrisy. The way we go on about religion an alien could be forgiven for thinking that the very concept of religion began in Pakistan. **

This is General Ziaul Haq’s revenge from the grave. Revile him as much as we may, there is no escaping the fact that a good deal of the fake piety on display in the official life of the Islamic Republic is a continuation of the legacy whose baleful seeds —dragon’s teeth?—he scattered.

In art the counterweight to too much restraint, or too much order and discipline, is romanticism, a natural urge to reach for the opposite: freedom and perhaps even decadence. This also works the other way round. If there is too much freedom, too much artistic chaos, the desire arises to return to the comforts of order and discipline. This is how Hegel and Marx explained the universe: the combination, or clash, of opposites creating a synthesis or unity.

But with us what is the Hegelian counterweight to too much false piety? Alas, nothing more creative than an obsession with politics. In any other climate excessive piety would have led to a loosening of restraint, something like the atmosphere of the Sixties in Britain and elsewhere, when the Beatles were all the rage and permissiveness became a common word. I was in school then and used to scratch my head trying to figure out what permissive behaviour and promiscuity meant.

If we had experienced something like the Sixties it might have done us a world of good, perhaps saving us from such of our travails as the march to war with India in 1965 and, only six years later, war and defeat in East Pakistan.

Zulfikar Ali Bhutto’s period at the helm was only a brief interlude. He could have reinvented the idea of Pakistan and secured the country’s future by making it safe for democracy. He had the opportunity but perhaps the times were hard or our good angels not sufficiently kind because events took a turn for the worse when Pakistan, not for the first time in its short existence, once more found itself under a military dictatorship. What is more, this one came with a sinister difference: it was steeped to its eyeballs in religious cant and hypocrisy.

As a result, it was not just physical repression which Pakistan suffered under Zia but moral and social repression. Instead of marching into the future, we travelled back in time. Talibanism in the form now familiar to us was a later phenomenon, but the attitudes giving rise to it were forged in the crucible of those dark years.

The army’s thinking became more conservative, fertile soil for the ‘jihadism’ that was to shape its outlook first in Afghanistan and then Kashmir, something from which it has yet to fully recover. The richest irony of that period of course is that our American mentors, now so bent on culturally reconditioning the Pakistani mind, were at that time the loudest cheerleaders of what passed for the spirit of ‘jihad’.

In the 1980s Americans in Islamabad (and I say this with a sense of wonderment) were amongst the most bigoted souls on the planet. About every subject under the sun they could endure scepticism, even cynicism, but the one thing beyond any criticism was the Afghan ‘jihad’. That was an article of faith, faith raised to the power of dogma. The demons they are now trying to exorcise in Afghanistan were born of that attitude.

Anyway, if any country was ripe for a social revolution – its Sixties and Beatle moment – it was Pakistan after Zia’s death. But instead of making a clean break with the past Pakistan slipped into a neo-Zia era, with the Establishment – as personified by President Ghulam Ishaq Khan and Army Chief Gen Aslam Beg – serving to put the brakes on any cultural revolution. No hundred flowers bloomed; no hundred schools of thought contended. The old dragons kept their vice-like grip on power. Pakistan remained imprisoned in the old strategic parameters – Afghan depth, holding down the Indian army in Kashmir, the space for adventure provided by our nuke capability, etc.

The Americans, ecstatic at the end of the Soviet empire, had walked on from Afghanistan, forgetting all about it (something which they now rue). But we did not march with the times. We kept holding on to the old certitudes. It was only a matter of time before the Mujahideen morphed into the Taliban and the Taliban provided a congenial setting for Al Qaeda to grow and prosper.

We only have a two years’ window. The Americans are not going to stay in Afghanistan forever. Support for the Afghan war is beginning to drop in the US. By the time Congressional elections come round next year, what is now a trickle could turn into something bigger. And by the time Obama’s first term is about to end, and he is up for re-election, America’s continued involvement in Afghanistan is likely to be one of the hottest topics of debate. We should be ready for that eventuality.

Our army has done a superb job of cleaning up Swat. Fazlullah’s Taliban are on the run. The FATA Taliban are also under pressure, the noose tightening around Waziristan and the army mounting operations at selected points. But for Pakistan to be fully cured of the mindset which drove it into the battlefields of ‘jihad’, the turning of the military tide is not enough. It must be matched by a lasting change of mind. We need a social revolution so that **we jettison some of the spiritual baggage which has served to cloud our thinking. **

Pakistan will never be fully free in its mind unless the fake piety introduced by Gen Zia into our law books is completely erased. We have to go back not to where the nation stood on Oct 12, 1999, when Musharraf took over, but where it was on July 5, 1977, when Zia and his generals seized power.

The aim should not be to hound anyone but to clear our spiritual decks.** All the laws Zia introduced at the altar of a fake piety, including the Hadood Ordinance, need to be expunged.** The historic task before this National Assembly, elected with such high hopes in Feb 2008, is this.

Hopefully, as a consequence, our nation will learn to lighten up a bit and discover a higher combination of opposites than religion and politics. There is too much gloom in Pakistan, too much darkness. We are too moralistic, too judgmental, often too self-righteous. That is why we endlessly preach and endlessly worry about the future while not being able to live in the present and make the most of what it has to offer.

Not surprisingly, therefore, Pakistanis at times give the impression of being forever on the cross. We have our problems but since when has the human race, from the dawn of history until today, been free of problems? When they walk the streets of their towns and cities, Pakistanis – both men and women – don’t act as if they are wholly free. In a social sense – and here I have to use my words carefully – they act in a constrained manner, as if a strict censor is watching their backs. Is it any wonder if they have cultivated the habit of doing so many things by stealth? This is no prescription for a free people.

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Re: Nadeem F. Paracha spews more hatred for Islam

i dont find Nadeem F Paracha even worth reading ...............

So I guess you will join mullah brigade being incited by erudition to kill this allegedly Islam hater (as per latest fatwa issued by erudition)....

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I am actually in complete agreement with both Nadeem Paracha (Dawn's cultural critic) and Ayaz Amir (I think he is in PML-N) when they talk about this fake piety introduced by Zia.

I call it dikhawe ka Islam which Pakistanis sadly are very good at

The ghastly holier than thou barbaric Talibanic acts being extreme examples of that

Maybe I am digressing a bit but then we also see this dikhawa in our daily lives for instance when people give 'sadqa' or do qurbani on baqr-e-Eid to impress their fellow colleagues, bosses or neighbours...*jee bas dey do, humara kya jana jai, jaan to bakre ney deni hai! *It for instance makes zilch sense to me to distribute qurbani meat to households where you know qurbani has or is taking place (happens in all big cities atleast...) which means some people do certain things just as a show-off or dikhawa. It beats the essence of qurbani...

The various rituals have their rightful place in our religion but a greater endeavour should always be to become a better human being as well. I am always more impressed by people who are both religious AND successful in life and who go about their daily routine without making a big show of their piety or nobleness. Prayers/Fasting etc. was never meant to be just a physical exercise. Unfortunately many people who are religious (as in praying and fasting) are not the most polite, honest or pleasant people to talk to....sad but true

Re: Nadeem F. Paracha spews more hatred for Islam

erudition, take it easy boy, people shud be allowed to expresstheir opinion even if it means idiots like Nadeem F paracha

Let me elaborate since some here overlook the type of stuff they are used to hearing on Fox News. Unfortunately this is Dawn News.

Issue 1

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mad-faith-crank. .
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What does that mean? Are people who have faith the only cranked up people? There are thousands and millions of faith loving people in Pakistan who are doing their bit to promote peace and lead a good balanced life.

Keeping in view Mr Paracha's earlier articles one can safely conclude what this writer's writing style is all about and the message he conveys to his audience. It may also be argued that he was referring to violent extremists but than again is that the only issue we have? Was Zia the only "evil" Pakistan had? What about corruption and throwing the country in the whirlpool by the secular English speaking elite?! Extra judicial killings, sacking of judiciary, you name it, what did the "enlightened moderate" ruling class not do to this country??!! All this idiot has to discuss is what Zia and Islamism did to this country, which in fact has done more good than bad!

Issue 2

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madness of Islamic fanaticism
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This sounds like a quote from Fox news! Is it ISLAMIC fanaticism or just fanaticism in the name of religion? Islam has already been defamed enough and is still being defamed. The problem is with the people who become extremist, not Islam, so why put these words together? It just shows the type of feelings the author has (or maybe the type of money he gets).

Issue 3

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religiosity has become both an industry and a meaningless public display of identity
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Adding to what this person wrote about advertisements in Ramadan, which he did not like, why do these nut cases have a problem with public display of religion? Why this allergy from anything religious? What does he really mean by what he said? That we should not wear shalwar kamiz? that women should not wear Hijab, that people should not be seen going to mosques? that mosques that are symbols of Islam should be razed so that there is no public display of religosity????? Display of one's identity is never meaningless. He himself is meaningless when he says this garbage. Yazdi and your likes may agree with all this but I am dead sure, the majority of Pakistanis who are peace loving and faithful, do not agree with this. I would love to see the day when such cowards go out in the streets and say this in Urdu..... aap mazhab ka parchar na karain.... and see what he gets!

There are always black sheeps and yes even religious leaders who use beard and tehir status negatively, but labeling everyone wrong is not justice and reflective of balanced thinking.

Just as public display of religion (the examples i mentioned is ok) because that is why Pakistan was created - so that Muslims can practice their faith freely. Never did people of those times think that this was ever even going to be discussed. Surely Ataturk's evil children are not born in Pakistan , if they are its about time, they are countered in every media outlet. Under the garb of anti-Ziaism, people in our media are demonizing Islam. Today it is quite subtle, tomorrow the tempo is likely to increase.

What Paracha and his likes are doing is conditioning the simple mids to secular ideals. In my opinion, secularism is kufr and is equal to anti-Islamism. How Islamists ahve been supressed in Turkey is evidence of that, where sisters do not even have the freedom to wear hijaab.

Some things he is right about, but it was the fault of intelligence agencies under Mush era as much as Zia era. Why does he not talk about the other dictator? Because he was corrupt in a different way and religion was not involved there. If this is not biasedness what is?

This I agree with! Like I said earlier, nobody likes the kind of hypocrisy introduced by Zia, but also not the kind of other extreme - "enlightened moderation" introduced by Musharraf.

It seems Dawn is trying to pander to a secular agenda…

DAWN.COM | Pakistan | Another time, another anthem

The laughs and giggles continue…

I used to interact with Beena back in the chowk.com days…she seemed more level headed back then…but what do you expect from someone who comes from a feudal background and defends pakistan’s feudal class…

The notion of putting religion second to state seems totally contradictory to the claim that the state should have nothing to do with religion…me thinks these people are itchng for a fight.

The Objectives Resolution proclaimed the following principles:

**Sovereignty belongs to Allah alone but He has delegated it to the State of Pakistan through its people for being exercised within the limits prescribed by Him as a sacred trust.

The State shall exercise its powers and authority through the chosen representatives of the people.

The principles of democracy, freedom, equality, tolerance and social justice, as enunciated by Islam, shall be fully observed.

Muslims shall be enabled to order their lives in the individual and collective spheres in accordance with the teachings of Islam as set out in the Qur’an and Sunnah.

Adequate provision shall be made for the minorities to freely profess and practice their religions and develop their cultures.

Pakistan shall be a federation.

Fundamental rights shall be guaranteed.

The judiciary shall be independent.[1]
**

The Objectives Resolution, which combines features of both Western and Islamic democracy, is one of the most important documents in the constitutional history of Pakistan. At the time it was passed, Liaquat Ali Khan called it “the most important occasion in the life of this country, next in importance only to the achievement of independence”.

Objectives Resolution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Liaqat Ali Khan knew Quaid more than any of these pseudo intellectuals.

Even if followers of Quaid seem confused about what Pakistan should be like, we are not!

Speaking against the ideological foundations of Pakistan and the Constitution is treason. Simple. Constitution was unanimously agreed upon by the then assembly. Do not be anti-democracy and speak against it.

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26th December, 1943
*“Pakistan not only means freedom and independence but the Muslim ideology, which has to be preserved, which has come to us as a precious gift and which, we hope, others will share with us.” *

Broadcast Message 15th August, 1947
“Finally, let me tell you, fellow citizens, Pakistan is a land of great potential resources. But to build it up into a country worthy of the *Muslim nation * (ummah?), we shall require every ounce of energy that we possess and I am confident that it will come from all whole-heartedly.”

“The establishment of Pakistan for which we have been striving for the last ten years is, by grace of God, an established fact today, but the creation of a State of our own was a means to an end and not the end in itself. The idea was that we should have a state in which we could live and breathe as free men and which we could develop according to our own lights and culture and where principles of** Islamic social justice could find fairplay.”**

“Remember we are building up a State which is going to *play its full part in the destinies of the whole Islamic World * (oh no this goes against Pakistan first) . We, therefore, need a wider look, an outlook which transcends the boundaries of provinces, limited nationalism, and racialism. We must develop a sense of patriotism which should galvanize us all into one united and strong nation. That is the only way in which we can achieve our goal, the goal of our struggle, the goal for which millions of Mussalmans have lost their lives.”

“Without education it is complete darkness and with education it is light. Education is a matter of life and death to our nation. The world is moving so fast that if you do not educate yourselves you will be not only completely left behind, but will be finished up. The Holy Prophet (PBUH) had enjoined his followers to go even to China in the pursuit of knowledge. If that was the commandment in those days when communications were difficult, then, truly, Muslims as the true followers of the glorious heritage of Islam, should surely utilize all available opportunities. No sacrifice of time or personal comfort should be regarded too great for the advancement of the cause of education.”

These quotes, show that he wanted secularism?

God forbid, if secularism ever comes to Pakistan, than I have no doubt that we must all strive to unite with secular India , the beautiful country that we divided to carve out a nation that to this day has discussions about its true direction. After all, Muslims in India also live by Muslim personal law. Since (with a secular Pakistan) less will remain uncommon between us and India, we may rather be united than divided, and a secular constitution guarantees equality and does not discriminate on religion, so why worry. Oh I forgot, feudals of Pakistan will loose their lands and status.

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erudition

In the end Pakistan will be what ts people want to be. Its no use trying to figure out what Quad-e-Azam wanted, though, personally, i beleive he did not want a Molvi style sharia.

Molvis style shariah - No way

Muhammad's (saw) shariah - Yes

You are right, its what the people want it to be... which never ever got a chance in 60 years to decide for themselves. When they may get a chance in the 21st century, their understanding and knowledge of Islam will be gone, or it never was there (no wonder we had talibans). Now these media outlets are bent on brainwashing people to pave the way for secular Pakistan.

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Is it ISLAMIC fanaticism or just fanaticism in the name of religion? Islam has already been defamed enough and is still being defamed. The problem is with the people who become extremist, not Islam, so why put these words together?
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This is ridiculous. You are blaming the media for conflating the two? Is it the media which gives religious names (i.e. "party of God") to 99% of terrorist organizations and coaches their rhetoric in religious terms? Terms such as "Islamic fanatic" are a product of fanatics, not the media. Hindu, Christian, Jewish, etc. fanatics are called such as well.

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Adding to what this person wrote about advertisements in Ramadan, which he did not like, why do these nut cases have a problem with public display of religion?
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Some people don't like religion thrown in their face 24/7. There are people in the US who oppose Christmas displays as well.

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I would love to see the day when such cowards go out in the streets and say this in Urdu..... aap mazhab ka parchar na karain.... and see what he gets!
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This attitude is a big part of the problem. The primary reason Pakistan and similar countries are fading further and further behind the rest of the world. Every successful country in the world counts among its fundamental principles the idea of freedom of speech. No country can join the ranks of the developed world if it cannot allow and handle the free expression of ideas. I would love to see the day when courageous people who utter contrary opinions are allowed to do so on the streets without the threat of being beaten, maimed, or murdered for the mere audacity of expressing an opinion.

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Surely Ataturk's evil children are not born in Pakistan
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Since you brought up Ataturk, guess which Muslim country is the most successful in economic terms (minus oil), military strength, and political power? Yes, Turkey. Saudi Arabia has more wealth and influence but that is artificial due to oil. The day oil is superseded Saudi Arabia will become another irrelevant medieval backwater. Turkey has more fundamental, real strength than any other Muslim nation. This is because it, while not a perfect democracy, allows more freedom of thought and religion than any other Muslim country. Turks should be thanking Ataturk each day!

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In my opinion, secularism is kufr and is equal to anti-Islamism. How Islamists ahve been supressed in Turkey is evidence of that
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So what if something is "kufr"? Another ingredient of every successful country is that it does not impose its religious beliefs on its population. Some of them, such as England, have an official religion, but they do not force their religion upon others.

As to Turkey, how can you say Islamists are suppressed in Turkey when Islamists are in power in Turkey?

Regarding Quad-e-Azam, if he wanted sharia he could have simply fought for it at the creation of the country. He did not because he did not want it.

Are you joking??