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and yes i do pray that pTI mujhadieen accept the verdict if PTI loses re-election
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But what if it's rigged again for or against either party? PML-N have the right to that claim; PTI has the right to that claim.
The sad byproduct of all this back and forth is that it keeps the Government from completing the projects it promised public while providing a most lucrative excuse of being bogged down with minor inconveniences like Poll Rigging investigations by courts in their defense (read lack of competence), and at the same time it keeps the total Opposition party(ies) from performing the role of checks and balances in a fair manner because they feel they were cheated out of the chance to Govern in the first place. The only loser in the entire scheme of things are the very people who assigned both factions to specific tasks (regardless of which party ends up in whichever role).
But we can hope that Allah brings about good through every turn of history.
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It's too little and too late for PTI. There are 2.5 years left before next election. Better wait and prepare for next election instead of trying to undo this one or claim victory over petty things. This case will be pending in courts forever & its unlikely to be settled before next election. So, what is the point?
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2.5 years since this decision and 2.5 years for it to be contested in SC...Shahbaz Sharif completed his last term on a stay order and the speaker plus some ministers will complete their current terms on stays.
Its not important if PMLN wins and loses the by elections, PTI has lost a lot of support in recent times. The only thing that favours PTI is that they still are the only counterweight to PMLN. Those who live or have relatives in Lahore would know that in the previous elections PMLN had a fight on their hands after a very long time. PTI was robbed of at least 6-7 seats in Lahore alone. The tribunals are giving vague decisions, hiding behind irregularities instead of declaring it rigging to leave space for PMLN to maneuver.
The most important thing is that if the elections were rigged they should be declared as such.
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Let's hope for a re poll under army or rangers. Same as in NA 246. Let's see who wins. It will make things clear for PTI n Others also.
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It's too little and too late for PTI. There are 2.5 years left before next election. Better wait and prepare for next election instead of trying to undo this one or claim victory over petty things. This case will be pending in courts forever & its unlikely to be settled before next election. So, what is the point?
Too little too late for PTI or too late little too late for the system? I would have imagined that so called pharey likehy living in Western countries would be appalled and ashamed of the fact that Speaker of the Parliament was allowed to continue despite having a massive question mark over the legitimacy of his seat? It's a huge embarrassment for so called champions of democracy. The Tribunal which was supposed to give the verdict in three months, took 2.5 years. But I think expecting any outrage, opposition or remotely moral stance over the crass failure of the systems is perhaps expecting too much from certain group of people. let them have a field day bickering about PTI and bet on its future like bored and self important bookies.
Just for sake of educating Pakistanis about democracy and 'system' I hope PTI never lets go of this fight over 'petty' issues. There is a point in doing all this, and the point is showing the young Pakistanis that what a real working democracy and system should look like. To some, democracy is all about x party losing and y party winning, but no, democracy is all about free and fair elections and the system that delivers. Free and fair elections!
If PTI loses* free and fair elections*, so be it. This fight is for a truly democratic Pakistan in long term, not for a certain political party.
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So those morons who criticised Imran for requesting opening up four constituencies should be burning like anything - they know exactly who they are! Imran's stance is vindicated. You lot should be ashamed of yourself for bashing and abusing PTI for over a perfectly legitimate and wholly democratic request which would have ultimately benefited the system had your Noora lords allowed the system to deliver. No, four seats would not have any difference to PTI's parliamentary strength, but your Noora lords had a lot to lose, hence all that time you bashed PTI for being too right in their demand instead of questioning your leaders that who o why are you blocking investigation if you are so sure and proud of your majority win?
21 parties in the parliament said yes rigging happened, but let's pick on PTI ke haan haan rigging ke khilaaf awaaz uthayee tou uthayee kyoon. Idiots.
Whether PTI wins or not is besides the point now, they cannot replicate the magic of 2013, but let the pseudo liberals and arm chair patwari intellectuals know that PTI has revolutionised the thought process of Pakistani people - because of them there is so much awareness and activism for the true democracy which goes lot beyond having a civilian ruler. People are all too aware of the importance their vote, the deep rooted curse of rigging, and the best thing is they actually want to do something about it and bring a change to the system.
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There were 2 issues at hand......4 constituencies, and a complete audit by a judicial commission. PMLN's success was that it managed to dilute the audit demand, and reduce it a generalized audit. PTI on the other hand, made sure that the judicial commission did not negate the need for tribunals who were already doing their job.
Both PMLN and PTI took gambles in dealing with the election scandal. PMLNs gamble with reducing JCs scope paid off for them, in that it effectively saved their govt.
PTIs gamble in remaining steadfast to the 4 constituency demand paid off, and even though these 4 were checked in their own due time, it is reaping huge dividends, in that it has gotten one minister, and speaker disqualified.
PTI suffered generalized embarrassment after the JC verdict...but PMLN is suffering from very targeted, and deep humiliation through elimination of big names one by one. If Kh. Asif suffers from the same fate, it will probably be a matter of bigger shame for PMLN than it having lost its govt after a JC verdict.
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Democracy and Pakistan will suffer just to save Sharif family and their criminal cronies. If Kh. Asif also goes, we can say goodbye to LB polls in Punjab, and we'll see PMLN fans will trash and bash Gen. Pasha, Gen Zaheer, Gen Rizwan, Gen Raheel as an excuse for their masters' failures and abuse of the system
After that lunatic Hashmi's non stop verbal diarrhea that Army is controlling JC and Chief Justice will give verdict in PTI's favour, and this government will go home, the SC was in pressure to play it safe, and they did. Otherwise how can you say that irregularities happened but not rigging? How exactly one conducts rigging - by causing irregularities! Doh! The RO slit opened sealed bag, printed extra ballot papers, misplaced Form 15, used faulty ink for fun? This JC could have changed the fate of Pakistani democracy, but sadly they legitimised rigging by terming it as administrative irregularities. Prescribed no punishment whatsoever for those who were responsible for such criminal negligence as a result we still have people asking Army to ensure free and fair polling. No one gets this sad irony.
Shouldn't ECP be disband now for causing costly damages to Pakistani democracy yet showing any remorse and accepting any accountability?
PS: Another big blow for Ayaz Sadiq and his son - Aitchison principal restored. Expect PMLN supporters to cry even more.
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So now PMLN which was asking PTI to accept the tribunal's verdict is calling the judge biased... haha
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BTW , interestingly , lady police commandos were called upon to control the expected fight between two parties !!!!
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very good...
PMLN will be stupid to get the decision reversed ... it will hurt them more. i do pray that IK does not get an escape route which he may be secretly praying for....and we do get a re-election....so that doodh ka doodh aur pani ka pani ho jayee.
if PMLN loses it, big shocker/slap for them and to their so called good- governance claims and if Khan jee loses, another blow to his credibility and so called popularity which has been on decline in urban lahore.
lets pray, we get a re-poll.
The real purpose of an election audit is to verify the verdict of the original election. Its unrealistic to expect public sentiments and energy to remain the same after 2.5 years. PTI may or may not win the seat, but a defeat would not mean that PTI was wrong about rigging in NA122 in 2013.
That is why there is a 4 month timeline for tribunals.
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shuker hay ... kuch to insaf hy mulak meen.
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Sirf 4 Halkoen ki baat thi....2 Down 2 Go... IK Dharna started on these 4 constituencies, and all those bashing him for not supporting the dharna, he stand right and vindicated...
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Sirf 4 Halkoen ki baat thi....2 Down 2 Go... IK Dharna started on these 4 constituencies, and all those bashing him for not supporting the dharna, he stand right and vindicated...
When approaching courts for disputed seats was so much effective, why he did dharna with no results at all? Pure dumb and stupid act by Imran Khan on advice and support of certain military officials.
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When approaching courts for disputed seats was so much effective, why he did dharna with no results at all? Pure dumb and stupid act by Imran Khan on advice and support of certain military officials.
Any proof..
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So when the decision comes in PTI favor - it is ok
When decison goes against PTI -then all judiciary are sold out and everyone except Pti are corrupt??
Lota logic of PTI and it's allies, SMQ, Jahangir Tareen, Sheikh Rashid.
Pti followers are naive and deluded if they think Pti is different than PML/PPP, etc
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When approaching courts for disputed seats was so much effective, why he did dharna with no results at all? Pure dumb and stupid act by Imran Khan on advice and support of certain military officials.
So when the decision comes in PTI favor - it is ok
When decison goes against PTI -then all judiciary are sold out and everyone except Pti are corrupt??
Lota logic of PTI and it's allies, SMQ, Jahangir Tareen, Sheikh Rashid.
Pti followers are naive and deluded if they think Pti is different than PML/PPP, etc
Hilarious :D. Love it.
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Thug Vs Thug