N.Y. bomb plot probe shows radicalism might be on the rise among Pakistani elite

I don’t understand why any educated person would get involved in this kind of mess.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/05/22/AR2010052203438_pf.html

ISLAMABAD, PAKISTAN – A crescendo of violence has steadily cramped the lifestyles of well-heeled Pakistanis and expatriates in this tidy city by targeting elite hotels and eateries. Now militancy may have infiltrated one remaining social reserve of those groups: private, canapé-laden parties in manicured compounds.
A Pakistani intelligence official said Saturday that the U.S.-educated co-owner of a catering firm to swanky events, including American Embassy functions, might have given money to the suspect in the Times Square bomb plot and been asked to aid attacks on diplomats’ gatherings. Salman Ashraf Khan, 35, is among several detained in a widening Pakistani probe into the attempted bombing in New York that has netted a former army major, a computer salesman and other professionals.
Khan’s suspected involvement prompted the U.S. Embassy to warn Americans to avoid the catering company. The arrests added to evidence that the terrorism threat in Pakistan emanates not just from cave-dwelling radicals but also from the Western-oriented upper crust – and that those groups might overlap.
“It’s not just an individual pulling strings,” a Western official said on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the issue. “There are an awful lot of people connected.”
The precise ties between those recently detained in Pakistan and Faisal Shahzad, the Pakistani American accused of the New York bomb attempt, have not been established, and the intelligence official said none had confessed to roles in the bomb plot. But Khan and at least two of them knew Shahzad – a product of Pakistan’s urban elite – and all had lambasted “anti-Muslim” U.S. policies during interrogations, the official said.
In the United States, investigations of Shahzad, an American citizen, and other terrorism suspects have prompted concern about extremism among “assimilated” middle-class Muslims. Muhammad Amir Rana, a terrorism researcher in Islamabad, said his recent surveys indicate that radicalization is rising among privileged Pakistani youth, who relate neither to the West nor to Pakistan’s impoverished masses.
“They feel alienated,” said Rana, director of the Pak Institute for Peace Studies, who added that such feelings have rarely led to violence. “So they try to identify themselves through religion.”
Combating Islamist radicalization is a focus of a new surge in U.S. aid money to Pakistan, where polls repeatedly reveal deep anti-Americanism.
The Pakistani intelligence official said Khan and Shahzad were friends and probably met during Shahzad’s trip to Pakistan earlier this year. Another man detained, Shoaib Mughal, owns a small computer-sales firm in Islamabad and is suspected of linking Shahzad with the Pakistani Taliban in the tribal areas. A third is Khan’s business partner; the two provided food to the cafeteria of the headquarters of Mobilink, a cellphone company, according to Khan’s father.
The official said a former army major was also arrested on suspicions of links to the plot. But another senior intelligence officer, echoing military statements, said that arrest was unrelated to the Shahzad probe. The senior officer played down the Islamabad detentions, saying investigators were questioning and releasing many people.
But the rare U.S. alert on Friday about terrorists’ ties to Hanif Rajput Catering Services, Khan’s firm, indicated that investigators were looking at him more seriously. The family business caters more than 200 events a month for military, government and diplomatic circles in the Islamabad area, and the intelligence official said militant organizations might have sought to “use” Khan for access to them.
In an interview Saturday, Khan’s father, Rana Ashraf Khan, called that idea “absurd.” He said it was possible that his son, who graduated from the University of Houston in 2001, met Shahzad in the course of business. The elder Khan said his son was religious but displayed no extremist tendencies, nor did he have any connections to the Western regions populated by militants.
He said his son, who lived at his parents’ home with his wife, also had no relationship with Mughal, the computer shop owner whom the Pakistani intelligence official said was the key focus of investigators. Merchants near the shop, Infinix Quality Services, described Mughal as devout but gentlemanly.
“He is a regular prayer-offering guy,” said one business owner, who said he feared being quoted by name. “To me that doesn’t suggest he is a militant.”
Salman Khan vanished on the morning of May 10, and his father said the embassy alert confirmed the family’s suspicions that he had been picked up by security agencies. The father said Khan’s business partner “disappeared” the same day.
Rana Ashraf Khan said his son occasionally expressed a belief that American policies in Pakistan caused “suffering,” but that he was “full of praise” about his five years in the United States and enjoyed Western movies.
“We are educated people. Not extremists. Not fanatics,” the elder Khan said of his five children, who include two physicians living in the United States. “There was nothing in Salman that could have tempted him to even be sympathetic to people bent on the destruction of the United States.”

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i wonder how they keep calling the other guy only KHAN :woho:

Re: N.Y. bomb plot probe shows radicalism might be on the rise among Pakistani elite

I smell more conspiracy, this time directed towards Pakistani elite.

The reason? Pakistani elite is one portion of the Pakistani people who do not / have not surrendered to indian tactics of of dominating Pakistan & the world. And is a huge hinderance for india to overcome to reach its; objective of isolating Pakistan from rest of the world. That's why RAW sat together with Mossad to work on a new plan how to further use the US power / influence against Pakistan by creating 'mistrust' between the two countries. & how to exploit & involve the Pakistani 'elite' into acts which they accuse the whole Pakistani nation is involved in - terror plots against the US.

So, as per their plan, they got hold of this nutcase shehzad elite & the rest is history. They definitely tried more & more people of the Pakistani 'elite' to get involved to work on this new plan but looks like they could not find any except for that shady case of saif which is a total BS.

Since they could not find a new tool from the Pakistani elite, that is why the Chilean court ruling to detain saif again to keep the story 'refreshed' in the media to use it for negative propaganda to those people in the world who do not know have a clue what india is all about.

Seems like, now they are going to frame 'Pakistani elite' for the negative propaganda. This to achieve the same objective - Isolation of Pakistanis from the world.

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^^^ you're kidding, right? If not, than you're peddling conspiracy theories yourself.

Btw, Raw/Mossad/CIA do not control what other people think. Its our jahail people who think they're some how defending Islam when they're in fact defaming Islam & muslims by doing this kind of stuff.

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@ambassador ^hmmm may be right. thats so stupid of them to assume that WHOLE Pakistan is busy day and night making terrorism plans against them :bummer: Dont we ppl have life? This is really ridiculous. Yeh sab theek kaisay ho ga? it hurts so much the way they are trying to make this world difficult for us :mad:

cannot blame any one but our own loser leaders :mad: :mad: :mad:

I have returned from Pakistan just last week and seriously, no one gives a $hit about terrorism, bombings and all those stupid things. Apart from a few nutcases, people are worried about many other things. There is ONE major problem though and that is “living in denial”. No one believes this Shehzad guy is Pakistani, people dont even believe talibans are muslims, they think they are Americans. I think they have this belief mainly because they don’t see these terrorists roaming around in the streets so they do wonder where have these terrorists come from as they are surely not average Pakistanis.

you're an indian, right?

Our stupid people are being exploited. Ever read what was given to adam-eve upon their 'exploitation' by the lucifier? They were thrown to earth. Were adam-eve the 'evil doers'? No it was lucifier which exploited them to do a forbidden act. Not a ricket science to understand, really!

Read my posts before trying to argue with me or better come from india or wherever you are to live here in Pakistan & you would know in a short time what's going on. & how many of these stories I tell are actually 'conspiracies'.

I wonder why educated people call for and enjoy war.

1) No, I'm not an Indian.

2) If you take Adam and Eve literally than I can understand why you're talking about what you're talking about.

3) It might be a good idea to cut down on whatever ur smoking. I rest my case :D

No one enjoys war except islamists who think dying or blowing people up gets u in heaven on the fast track.

http://www.pervezmusharrafexposed.com/Musharraf/images/Bush_Mush.jpg

http://incogman.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/jewish_war_mongers_main.jpg

http://www.hebig.org/blogs/archives/main/bush_war.jpg

http://thescum.info/site/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/blair.jpg

are u sure?

There were no "Islamists" or any human bombs, until war-haters such as Americans attacked Iraq and killed almost million people in Iraq... no body knows for what reason they got killed, i think we know, because they were muslim

"Islamists" of Afghanistan were pretty much in their den when, American Bomb the hell out of them to search/arrest one man.. and that one man is still on run.. with his family running businesses all over the world, his son crossing Sahara and he smoking cigar and waiting for new instructions...

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Looks like these guys were involved.
http://dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2010\05\23\story_23-5-2010_pg7_9

ISLAMABAD: Two men detained in Pakistan for alleged links to the attempted Times Square bombing have admitted playing a role in the botched attack and are unrepentant, with one angrily accusing interrogators of “siding with the infidels”, a senior intelligence official said on Saturday.

The pair is among six men officials say have been detained in Pakistan for alleged ties to Faisal Shahzad, a Pakistani-American arrested in the US two days after the failed May 1 attack in New York.** Like Shahzad, the detainees are all members of the country’s urban elite, including several who were educated in the US.**

Details about the six were released late on Friday, though officials have not said when they were detained. Five were picked up in Islamabad and one is co-owner of a swish catering company that the US embassy said was suspected of ties to terrorist groups.

The intelligence official, part of the team questioning the men, cited the two suspects as saying they did not do anything wrong and “proudly” describing Shahzad as their friend.

The official said one of the suspects had even accused his interrogators of “siding with the infidels”.

One of the suspects, identified as Shoaib Mughal, is alleged to be a go-between for Shahzad and the Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan in their hideouts close the Afghan border. He was running a large computer dealership in Islamabad before his detention, said the intelligence official who - like most operatives in spy agencies around the world – did not give his name.

The other suspect, identified only by his first name Shahid, is alleged to have helped arrange money for Shahzad. He has an MBA from the US and apparently knew Shahzad from his time there.

The other four suspects have also expressed their hatred for the West and the US, but have not admitted any links with Shahzad, the official said.

None of the men has been charged, though in Pakistan that sometimes does not happen for months, if not years, particularly if detainees are held by an intelligence agency.

Pakistani intelligence cooperates closely with the CIA, which is often given access to detainees.

Shahzad is accused of leaving an SUV rigged with a homemade car bomb in New York’s Times Square on May 1 that failed to explode. The 30-year-old was born in Pakistan and moved to the US when he was 18. The son of a former air force officer, he led a privileged life. He has family roots in Peshawar and grew up in at least one other city, Karachi, relatives and officials have said. agencies

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Some Pakistani elite have always been radical. Look at Jamat e Islami people and ISI/Army of 80s and 90s.

we should ever remain in denial mode because :
1. we are the only defenders of Islam in the world, all other Islamic countries are aligned with the west.
2. We have no terror outfits in our soil , whatever India and other countries say , they say because they envy Pakistan.
3. The whole of west, america and non muslim world is ever trying to defame us because we live with pride.
4. Kasab, Shazad and similar people are part of a conspiracy of India to defame peaceful Pakistan.

Now your receiving wahi? :hehe:

Fact: 9 years and counting, the mighty empire with the help of top world armies has not crushed the “munafiqs”(according to you), what makes you think your words on a forum mean anything? It’s like I’m reading Mirza Qadiani’s filth. Quite entertaining though, if you want a good laugh I recmnd his books. :slight_smile:

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cricketp:

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Now your receiving wahi?
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I can predict.

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9 years and counting, the mighty empire with the help of top world armies has not crushed the "munafiqs"
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Well these munafiqs have been there since the early days of Islam. At that time they were called kharijis. So I don't think they can completely disappear.
But Allah is the protector of Islam.

Now get back to topic.

You can predict? Really? Predict your death then I’ll believe. :hehe:

You love labeling people don’t you? :slight_smile:
kharijis.. :rotfl:

biggest khariji is living in london controlling the terror mafia that just killed 50 people in the last few days.

His mentor Altaf bhai has received alot of wahis my friend: