Re: My rant on the defense day
yeh thread daikh kar me ko Shoaib malak bhai buhat yaad a rahay hain :cobra:
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Aren’t you sitting in USA? Tell Russia to remotely say all the war mongering rubbish to USA that India has been hurling in Pakistan’s way, and are you telling me your American leaders won’t even say the standard ‘we are capable of defending ourselves, so Russians dare not try’? It would be America’s sovereign right and freedom to react to any aggressive behaviour, and assure their public, but not Pakistan’s? Would you throw the same tantrum and defame USA if Russia gets told off by USA? Clearly no.
So why these pathetic double standards of expecting Pakistan to always be the meek, apologetic, undignified and weak neighbour who is not even allowed to speak up for itself? Instead of expressing mindless Indiaphilic behaviour, maybe read some news and find out who cancelled the recent Peace Talks! Yes all so bigger and mightier India. Any word on that? Why aren’t Indians expected to be behave like bigger neighbour since they are projected as oh so better than Pakistanis in every way? Why their Army and all democratic leaders are barking against Pakistan and hurling these kaali peeli dhamkiyan?
Pakistani reply back to India upsets you so much, don’t even tell me that USA or any European country would say quiet when they face direct threats of conventional conflict, covert operations and proxy wars from their powerful neighbours literally every week. Honestly are you that upset that Pakistan in words decided to put India in their place? For how long you want Pakistani public to remain intimidated by India because people like you don’t really like their own Army or love India too much? Who on earth insults their own Army on Defence Day? Your ranting is not any different from the sht racist and thankless Afghans, Indians and Benglis hurl at Pakistanis. Your sentiments on Defence Day aren’t any different from the ones felt by Indians and Afghans.
It is no fun being threaten by an enemy 7x your size ! I hope you get this. This is not the case of Bermuda threatening Great Britain. I made it even easier for you, so I hope you get it.
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I think if we attack each other with nuclear bombs we can eliminate half of the world's poor population :)
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Monk, I am not saying that show any weakness. No, I am suggesting that at all. All I am saying that we should stay clear of any dhamki aamaiz language. That makes us look weak.** Just go and do another armed exercise closer to border**. Khalee peeli words is so freekin 1970
LOL!
Do you know that this practice is far more provocative than issuing self defence statement? Last time India parked their Army outside our borders, Pak Army and PAF had full instructions to attack in case of any further movement. A drop of a pin would have started the war in that case. This whole idea of holding Armed exercise at borders is such an Indian thing to do, such provocative and aggressive practical gestures are quite literally asking for war. So so deeply ironic if one considers your rant.
It's like asking Argentina to hold naval exercise on the edge of British waters, and it would not start a war.
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nice trolling lol. :k:
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This post makes me so sad.
Kaisi dushmani? Indian politics are OBSESSED with anti-Pakistan rhetoric from day one - it's pretty much how they win elections. Ask Modi, he just had to say "Muslim" or "Pakistan" and Indians would be foaming at the mouth. For the last decade or more.. tell me which election in Pakistan focused on defense against India? Or when it was ever a crutch for our politicians to find support? Hum jawab bhi na dein ab? Why isn't India expected to be the "bigger man" and stfu about decimating Pakistan?
Defense Day is a huge morale booster for us. The fact that we are still striding forward, pushing back against all the odds, succeeding ... that is amazing, mA. And LondonsFinest is right - saying that we have never won any wars or that Pakistan instigates crap (when?!) is highly offensive to those families who have lost men who defended our nation. It is their sacrifice that allows everyone to sit in their comfortable homes, claim to be Pakistani and make inflammatory comments about our nation. How can u say such stuff about our armed forces? Without them, there would be no Pakistan. And if our strength "sours" relationships with India then so be it. Why do ppl think we need India or Indian friendship in order to be deemed "successful"?
I know a fine war veteran who fought along side the brave Major Aziz Bhatti in 1965, witnessed his shahadat, s*urvived a bullet in his neck but still dedicated his whole life serving Pakistan. Imagine how hurt his and his families sentiments would be if they read these words and face such attitude. How incredibly harsh are those words 'stop instigating other countries, you have never won war against India and never will'. Calling your COAS a 'saala', accusing your Army of spreading lies, making fun of your soldiers' bravery and accusing them of being fake heroes. What a pathetic mentality. No this is not an opinion, this is straight up jackass level trolling and inflammatory rubbish that Indians hurl at Pakistan's way. Who needs external enemies when the country is full of *aseeen ke saamp.
This is just a sad and pathetic post, like I said this is no different from the brash bullying Pakistanis face from bitter and thankless Afghans and Indians. Every stupid Tom, Dick and Harry wants to stand up and remind Pakistanis of their* 'ouqaat'* the moment country takes any pride in itself - come Independence Day or Defence Day, it is the same old same old self pitying, self lamenting, self hating and brazen bullying. It is like Shak said in other thread, how on earth can you counter Indian propaganda when some Pakistanis love to be the first one to take petty shots and hurt people's sentiments by twisting and turning facts.
Things like this really makes you appreciate that fact you have a strong Army and a dignified Army Chief who reminds Pakistanis that they are better and stronger than they think they are. Like it or not, the young generation of Pakistanis will look up to the man who boost their self esteem and self worth, than undignified self hating jackass trolls who mocks and belittles them, and sides with enemies. it is human nature.
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This post makes me so sad.
Kaisi dushmani? Indian politics are OBSESSED with anti-Pakistan rhetoric from day one - it's pretty much how they win elections. Ask Modi, he just had to say "Muslim" or "Pakistan" and Indians would be foaming at the mouth. For the last decade or more.. tell me which election in Pakistan focused on defense against India? Or when it was ever a crutch for our politicians to find support? Hum jawab bhi na dein ab? Why isn't India expected to be the "bigger man" and stfu about decimating Pakistan?
Defense Day is a huge morale booster for us. The fact that we are still striding forward, pushing back against all the odds, succeeding ... that is amazing, mA. And LondonsFinest is right - saying that we have never won any wars or that Pakistan instigates crap (when?!) is highly offensive to those families who have lost men who defended our nation. It is their sacrifice that allows everyone to sit in their comfortable homes, claim to be Pakistani and make inflammatory comments about our nation. How can u say such stuff about our armed forces? Without them, there would be no Pakistan. And if our strength "sours" relationships with India then so be it. Why do ppl think we need India or Indian friendship in order to be deemed "successful"?
Exactly.
Seems like it's coming straight from the mouth of an Asma Jahangir or one of those clueless Indian panellists who are paid only to spew hatred and lies against Pakistan. Don't understand how a Pakistani could a) be so unaware of our achievements in previous wars and b) be so offensive about the soldiers who've lost their lives fighting heroically for us.
Great for us that these sort of views are being heard less and less in Pakistan. The pride seen on the 14th of August or on Defence day filled my heart with joy.
Hope there's a lot more "dick swinging" from us in the coming weeks and months.
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In our part of the world, dick swingers are definitely preferred over dickless.
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Did I just say that?
Astaghfirullah. Astaghfirullah.
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Do you think that our people and politicians in respective countries have senses to understand that whatever they are saying have serious repercussion on peace.
Their demand of Ram-mandir and Babri Masjid is more dear to them than problem of clean drinking water or garbage-less cities. They will keep on speaking what people want to hear not what they need to hear.
For smart people in both countries have their children in US or Europe, the general people who are here deserve to die anyway.
Main point is conventionally, India is way more stronger than Pakistan, it will be good if it go indecisive which is unlikely, but what Indian question is what if Pakistan after certain defeats decides to go nuclear all-out?
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Do you think that our people and politicians in respective countries have senses to understand that whatever they are saying have serious repercussion on peace. Their demand of Ram-mandir and Babri Masjid is more dear to them than problem of clean drinking water or garbage-less cities. They will keep on speaking what people want to hear not what they need to hear. For smart people in both countries have their children in US or Europe, the general people who are here deserve to die anyway.
Please stop saying this. Just admit the fact Indian politicians are far more anti Pakistan and blinded by war hysteria than Pakistan could ever be. Hinduistan is so insignificant for us that it is not even an issue in our election campaign. No politician needs to promise war with India in Pakistan to win votes whereas Congress, BJP and Hindu extremists parties give each other a run for their money on the issue of Pakistan and teaching her a lesson.
Thanks to sensationalist war hysteric Indian media, Indian public thinks that idea of sophisticated hit and run surgical strikes on Pakistan is such an easy peasy thing to do and they get so excited about it, whereas sane Indians know that Pakistan is also perfectly capable of causing the same damage to Hinduistan. It is armed with dangerous weapons and sophisticated technology. Why do Indians politicians tease their own public with such fantasies they cannot even fulfill? What joy do they get from provoking an nuclear armed neighbour with conventional war threats? Whether Pakistan will use nukes or not is not a question is, the point is, the threat of a nuclear war is still there so why take the piss?
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yeh sab altaf hussain k ban ka radd-e-amal hai :D
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Lol it is a Majh…lol
My bad but whi can be a majh here…majh or bhains is female right???
Ps: mods, iam not referring to anyone male or female poster here
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Do you think that our people and politicians in respective countries have senses to understand that whatever they are saying have serious repercussion on peace. Their demand of Ram-mandir and Babri Masjid is more dear to them than problem of clean drinking water or garbage-less cities. They will keep on speaking what people want to hear not what they need to hear. For smart people in both countries have their children in US or Europe, the general people who are here deserve to die anyway.
Main point is conventionally, India is way more stronger than Pakistan, it will be good if it go indecisive which is unlikely, but what Indian question is what if Pakistan after certain defeats decides to go nuclear all-out?
In its essence it is for sure horrific, but that is the reason nation and countries are developing weapon-science, it is the reason they show/flex muscles...to keep their enemies thinking that attacking them would be disaster for all...
India, if comes out of it stupid ideology then like china it can become super power, but we are talking about india..who just care of nothing..
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Please stop saying this. Just admit the fact Indian politicians are far anti Pakistan and blinded by war hysteria than Pakistan. Hinduistan is so insignificant for us that it is not even an issue in our election campaign. No politician needs to promise war with India in Pakistan to win votes whereas Congress, BJP and Hindu extremists parties give each other a run for their money on the issue of Pakistan and teaching her a lesson.
Thanks to sensationalist war hysteric media, India public thinks that idea of sophisticated hit and run surgical strikes on Pakistan is such an easy peasy thing to do and they get so excited about it, whereas sane Indians know that Pakistan is also perfectly capable of causing the same damage to Hinduistan. It is armed with dangerous weapons and sophisticated technology. Why do Indians politicians tease their own public with such fantasies they cannot even fulfill? What joy do they get from provoking an nuclear armed neighbour with conventional war threats? Whether Pakistan will use nukes or not is not a question is, the point is, the threat of a nuclear war is still there so why take the piss?
India is not insignificant to Pakistan and you know it, Pakistan doesn't have non-state actor for ignoring India? isn't it.
Pakistani elections are generally once in decade thing uptill recently, even people in India know that it is useless to talk PM of Pakistan, India should talk with COAS not PM, PM is as insignificant as Pakistan's democracy. Musharraf got 98% vote in referendum in some version of democracy.
How many of the Indians of Indian public do you know who believes we are going to war with Pakistan, if you really think India voted for BJP because of war hysteria then you have to seriously understand Indian thought process, Indians vote according to caste and then some development agenda. It is Caste-Region equation which one has to get right.
Often the teasing that you are referring is for the simple dialoguebaazi which is like entertainment to people in crowd, keeping the crowd in rally, then people go to their home and vote according to caste.
it is like your Hafez Syed and Lal Topi trying to get fund by bashing India, in India's case it is votes.
Gazwa-e-Hind or Akhand Bharat? Can you tell me who is more obsessive here, because I can't
Last thing is India knows, if India launches some probe to Mars, Pakistan will test-fire some missile to tell the world that they are in same technological race. India and Pakistan both are trying to compete in every national activity whatsoever.
Both nations are so significant to each other that they hate each other.
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In its essence it is for sure horrific, but that is the reason nation and countries are developing weapon-science, it is the reason they show/flex muscles...to keep their enemies thinking that attacking them would be disaster for all...
India, if comes out of it stupid ideology then like china it can become super power, but we are talking about india..who just care of nothing..
agree with first para, for second one, we are better when it comes to taking care of population, we are gangland democracy with fundamental right to speak our mind. Chinese can even ban google if it comes to that. India can BBC documentry, china can go to extent of banning BBC or youtube.
Even you as a muslim are better in India or Pakistan than in China? Isn't it? And chinese are not superpower. There is uncle Sam and his bhatijas called NATO group which is superpower and then is rest of the world :)
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India is not insignificant to Pakistan and you know it, Pakistan doesn't have non-state actor for ignoring India? isn't it. Pakistani elections are generally once in decade thing uptill recently, even people in India know that it is useless to talk PM of Pakistan, India should talk with COAS not PM, PM is as insignificant as Pakistan's democracy. Musharraf got 98% vote in referendum in some version of democracy.
How many of the Indians of Indian public do you know who believes we are going to war with Pakistan, if you really think India voted for BJP because of war hysteria then you have to seriously understand Indian thought process, Indians vote according to caste and then some development agenda. It is Caste-Region equation which one has to get right.
Often the teasing that you are referring is for the simple dialoguebaazi which is like entertainment to people in crowd, keeping the crowd in rally, then people go to their home and vote according to caste. it is like your Hafez Syed and Lal Topi trying to get fund by bashing India, in India's case it is votes. Gazwa-e-Hind or Akhand Bharat? Can you tell me who is more obsessive here, because I can't
Last thing is India knows, if India launches some probe to Mars, Pakistan will test-fire some missile to tell the world that they are in same technological race. India and Pakistan both are trying to compete in every national activity whatsoever. Both nations are so significant to each other that they hate each other.
Thanks for admitting that Indian politicians do get votes for spewing anti Pakistan hatred. The hatred and war hysteria is institutionalised in India and part of their democratic process. We haven't had proper democratic cycles, but our electoral process and priorities already looks so much better than Indians. Laal Topi wala was a Youtube sensation who was far more popular with Indian public than Pakistanis, but in India such characters are part of your parliament and public votes for them. In Pakistan, war with India has never been part of our popular political debates, if example of election is not relevant for you. We have developed nukes, and this is our deterrence. It is India who is so insecure and desperate that their ministers need to brag about surgical strikes to make themselves feel superior.
The Indians I know are born and bred Westerners and coconuts, they don't care about politics. Most of them are South Indians anyway, they themselves admit that Hindi speaking Northerners are the real war-mongers, but that's besides the point so lets keep my Indian buddies are out of this discussion.
But if Indians don't care about starting a war with Pakistan or aren't blinded by hatred, then why so much war hysteria and anti Pakistan hatred in their media? Why their elected leaders feel the need to talk about indirect or direct war with Pakistan every week? Who are they representing if not Indians? If Indians don't think and feel like this, then why no self reflection, opposition is going against such war mongering and hatred against your neighbour? Why such provocation is being allowed and accepted? If Indians elected Modi for development then why is his government allowed to provoke war like tensions with a dangerously armed neighbour with an already activated Army? Do Indians think dreams of conventional and proxy wars with Pakistan will bring them development? We don't care about starting wars with India, we don't need to prove a point. All our eyes, hopes and wishes are with CPEC. But Indians are still more than welcome to talk to our COAS, until we Pakistanis work on improving our democracy and finding a PM who doesn't come to power through rigging and stealing people's votes. See we actually do have far bigger issues to worry about.
However, the sad reality is the war hysteria, boasting of breaking other people's country, exploiting their fault lines through proxies is considered mere dialoguebaazi and entertainment for Indian crowd, but not for Pakistan! Do not dismisses such serious war mongering as entertainment, it may explain Indian thought process but not Pakistanis. We imply every bit of seriousness when we reply to Indian war mongering verbosity with our pledge to defend the motherland against any aggression.
If Akhand Bharat types get elected, then yes then they are far more obsessive and dangerous and pathetic. Last time I checked, Gaza e Hind wala never got any votes and he's been missing in action for ages.
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agree with first para, for second one, we are better when it comes to taking care of population, we are gangland democracy with fundamental right to speak our mind. Chinese can even ban google if it comes to that. India can BBC documentry, china can go to extent of banning BBC or youtube.
Even you as a muslim are better in India or Pakistan than in China? Isn't it? And chinese are not superpower. There is uncle Sam and his bhatijas called NATO group which is superpower and then is rest of the world :)
Like i said, india and indians needs to wake up and smell coffee...
How many movements of seperation are there in India? Answer of this alone will lwt u know how well India is being managed..
Where govt support massacre of minorities...be them Muslim or Christians or low caste Dalits...yeah we know how well india is managing its population....
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Thanks for admitting that Indian politicians do get votes for spewing anti Pakistan hatred. The hatred and war hysteria is institutionalised in India and part of their democratic process. We haven't had proper democratic cycles, but our electoral process and priorities already looks so much better than Indians. Laal Topi wala was a Youtube sensation who was far more popular with Indian public than Pakistanis, but in India such characters are part of your parliament and public votes for them. In Pakistan, war with India has never been part of our popular political debates, if example of election is not relevant for you. We have developed nukes, and this is our deterrence. It is India who is so insecure and desperate that their ministers need to brag about surgical strikes to make themselves feel superior.
The Indians I know are born and bred Westerners and coconuts, they don't care about politics. Most of them are South Indians anyway, they themselves admit that Hindi speaking Northerners are the real war-mongers, but that's besides the point so lets keep my Indian buddies are out of this discussion.
But if Indians don't care about starting a war with Pakistan or aren't blinded by hatred, then why so much war hysteria and anti Pakistan hatred in their media? Why their elected leaders feel the need to talk about indirect or direct war with Pakistan every week? Who are they representing if not Indians? If Indians don't think and feel like this, then why no self reflection, opposition is going against such war mongering and hatred against your neighbour? Why such provocation is being allowed and accepted? If Indians elected Modi for development then why is his government allowed to provoke war like tensions with a dangerously armed neighbour with an already activated Army? Do Indians think dreams of conventional and proxy wars with Pakistan will bring them development? We don't care about starting wars with India, we don't need to prove a point. All our eyes, hopes and wishes are with CPEC. But Indians are still more than welcome to talk to our COAS, until we Pakistanis work on improving our democracy and finding a PM who doesn't come to power through rigging and stealing people's votes. See we actually do have far bigger issues to worry about.
However, the sad reality is the war hysteria, boasting of breaking other people's country, exploiting their fault lines through proxies is considered mere dialoguebaazi and entertainment for Indian crowd, but not for Pakistan! Do not dismisses such serious war mongering as entertainment, it may explain Indian thought process but not Pakistanis. We imply every bit of seriousness when we reply to Indian war mongering verbosity with our pledge to defend the motherland against any aggression.
If Akhand Bharat types get elected, then yes then they are far more obsessive and dangerous and pathetic. Last time I checked, Gaza e Hind wala never got any votes and he's been missing in action for ages.
Just like you think entertainment of Politician is representation of Indian public sentiment, Indian public feels same for Pakistan's populations when it comes to Politics, I am sure Saeed and Lal topi will win election if they ever fought. I never said that politician get vote for bashing Pakistan all I said that India votes according to their respective castes. Secondly I wrote as above, Musharraf got 98% in your version of democracy. No one in the world should care for PM of Pakistan but for COAS of Pakistan.
Last time Nawaz came with a handshake and bear hug at Wagah and we had Kargil among us. Please don't sell you democracy to anyone, it makes people laugh, I have heard your own public treating General above PM. Now please tell me unequivocally that Pakistan public sentiment is represented by Pakistan's democracy? or its general or your public is so feeble in resolution that it doesn't know whom to trust. We can talk to COAS like Musharraf who held the power, in the present way in your country, its impossible for anyone unless it is feeding hand of Uncle Sam who can give dollars and then can make joke of your sovereignty and
But recently I heard that India was celebrating 1965 war victory and general said that we need to keep ourselves ready? what is general supposed to speak? Your general's reply was apt.
You know why we baniyas aren't studying Geology or Archaeology because there is no monetary benefit out of it. Personally I will protest for some relief in price rise we don't care for Pakistan anyway. If you really would like to know about our media,follow some indians pages on net. We ourselves have low regard for them:)
Like i said, india and indians needs to wake up and smell coffee...
How many movements of seperation are there in India? Answer of this alone will lwt u know how well India is being managed.. Where govt support massacre of minorities...be them Muslim or Christians or low caste Dalits...yeah we know how well india is managing its population....
Since you compared it with China in first line, our separation movement is proportional to Chinese situation, they have biggest region of Tibet and Xianjian equally troubled.
Assuming your accusation is true that govt supports massacre of minorities whose decadal growth is higher than hindu population anyway.
Where it is good to be muslim, in Gujarat or in Xianjian? that itself answers everything
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Just like you think entertainment of Politician is representation of Indian public sentiment, Indian public feels same for Pakistan's populations when it comes to Politics, I am sure Saeed and Lal topi will win election if they ever fought. I never said that politician get vote for bashing Pakistan all I said that India votes according to their respective castes. Secondly I wrote as above, Musharraf got 98% in your version of democracy. No one in the world should care for PM of Pakistan but for COAS of Pakistan. Last time Nawaz came with a handshake and bear hug at Wagah and we had Kargil among us. Please don't sell you democracy to anyone, it makes people laugh, I have heard your own public treating General above PM. Now please tell me unequivocally that Pakistan public sentiment is represented by Pakistan's democracy? or its general or your public is so feeble in resolution that it doesn't know whom to trust. We can talk to COAS like Musharraf who held the power, in the present way in your country, its impossible for anyone unless it is feeding hand of Uncle Sam who can give dollars and then can make joke of your sovereignty and But recently I heard that India was celebrating 1965 war victory and general said that we need to keep ourselves ready? what is general supposed to speak? Your general's reply was apt. You know why we baniyas aren't studying Geology or Archaeology because there is no monetary benefit out of it. Personally I will protest for some relief in price rise we don't care for Pakistan anyway. If you really would like to know about our media,follow some indians pages on net. We ourselves have low regard for them:)
First worry about your warm mongering anti Pakistan Hindu extremist like Shiv Sena, RSS and Akhan Bharat type Hindu extremists getting elected again and again. Pakistanis never elected religious parties even when their popularity was at peak, and religious parties are dying a slow death, but Indians who are so paranoid by Youtube sensation think he'll get elected. The truth of the matter is, our public simply won't allow likes of Hafiz Saeed and Lal Topi wala to contest, but your Akhand Bharat types are proud members of your parliament for a long long time, and looks like Indian public has no plan to elect them out because anti Pakistani is institultionalised and it is part of your democratic process. However our democratic process, no matter how premature or weak it is, cheap war mongering will never be part of it.
You are giving me laughs by keep on suggesting that Musharraf a military man represented 'democracy'? I have never implied that by you are clearly insulting your own intelligence by making such a stupid point. No Pakistan is not a full democracy yet, when a Prime Minister is accused of stolen mandate and his key ministers are getting disqualified for electoral rigging, it is anything but a real democracy. So quit your phony laugh. Unlike India, Pakistan do indeed have a lot of internal issues to take care of and I would like my countrymen to priorities those issues instead of fantasing of launching surgical strikes on India - leave such wet dreaming to Indians since it is a way of entertainment for their crowd. Until your Hindu extremist government launched chest pumping bravado of starting a war, we didn't care about mentioning India as we were so busy dealing with our Western borders. It is your extremist government that's hiding behind war mongering hysteria to divert attention from their failures.
Indians wish they didn't care about Pakistan. Their media and elected members must be representing anti Pakistani aliens if not Indians. But if Indian media is of such third class quality, why don't the Indians try to fix their war mongering, hysterical sensationalist media instead of being so obsessed with Lal Topi wala and Hafiz Saeed?