Re: My official stance on burqas
Challo ji. Jithe de kothi uthay aan khalotti.
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The number of violent crimes against women in Peshawar compared to any major America city are miniscule…
Your mothers and daughters are more safer walking in Peshawar in the middle of the night than they are in American cities during the day…
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Lajo, how about little boys, are they safe too? A society that keeps women on leash (for fear of their immoral behavior) should not worry about safety of women. In any case, over 90% crime against women in Pakistan goes unreported (more so in NWFP) - you call it safe society. Yeah sure. When was the last time you heard of any honor killing in the USA (I heard one in Canada, and the killer was surprise surprise a Paki.).
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look if the argument is that hijaab is institutionalised in Muslim society, then skimpy, beyhooda dressing is institutionalized here in the West. The same kind of 'oppression' that a Muslim woman would face in not wearing hijaab/burqa in most of the Muslim world (afghanistan/ksa/peshawar make up for a fraction of a fraction of Muslims) is the same kind of oppression a Muslim woman would face in wearing hijaab in the West. Stares, glares, the occasional rude comment.
Women are conditioned into acting in a certain way just as much over here as they are in Pakistan.
Im speaking from experience of living in LA, one of the most liberal places in america. i dont know about other places in the west.
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Your mothers and daughters are more safer walking in Peshawar in the middle of the night than they are in American cities during the day...
Except they're not really approved to walk the streets late at night...
See, the problem is of balance. Why can't desis be balanced?
Yes, a woman should do whatever she can to prevent unwanted attention. Who wants to be looked at with lusty eyes by a guy who just wants to f' you, as if they've sucked on a payaa bone and thrown it away? That's just animal instinct, and no one wants to debase themeslves to that, and that too by a stranger who is not making any committment to go along with the sex.
Neither do men want their family women to be mishandled by other men, and even by men within the family.
So what can a female do? Keep herself covered and away from situations that could unduly put her at a disadvantage. People on Roman's side should be aware that even rape-prevention classes in the US encourage women not to travel alone late at night, carry that stuff to spray (what is that called?) if they're out and alone, to have a cell phone on them at all times, how to fight physically, etc.
So what can a man do? Learn to CONTROL himself.
Islam, FYI, approaches the matter from both sides. It tells the girls to watch out - cover themselves, travel with other people, be careful late at night and also travel with people, keep other men by your side when travelling, use self-defense (hitting and beating is totally allowed if you're being attacked by anyone), etc.
It tells guys to control their lust, keep their eyes lowered, treat others humanely, etc. Nowhere does the Quran or Sunnah encourage anyone to lift their hand or penis against a woman such that she will be hurt.
But in reality, the way its practiced is that women are mandated to wear the burqa (which I do think takes it a bit far, especially since it is forced in many areas), and they ignore the training that a guy should be getting to control himself.
Furthermore, a burqa or hijab or whatever should not INHIBIT teh woman from doing good things with her life. If the burqa comes along with the command of "don't go to school" or "dont walk outside of the house", etc, then its oppression.
Since the burqa often does come with these commands, people mistake the Burqa as the tool of suppression. When really, its the harsh orders, and the threats that are keeping the woman suppressed.
The Burqa is indeed being misused by mullahs and insecure men. No doubt about it. But just like a man can misuse his penis against a woman, it doesn't make penises bad things (bad analogy, but the perverts here wont understand otherwise)
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but your sons, brothers, chickens and your bakries are in great danger.
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^^
Funny Channji...
Is it experience that makes you say that?
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there is something fundamentally wrong in assuming da other kind of men dont know what they are abt...
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Are you serious? You honestly think living in a particular country is merely a choice? So, all the women living in Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan may choose to migrate to the West if they wanted to? lol
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Veri I am hopeful that someday you will actually ask an intelligent question. Where did I say “word” burqa is in Quran? I merely said that roman’s manner is incredibly offensive. Now since you are super bright please educate us as to what is in Quran? Waiting breathlessly. To my knowldege (and if i am wrong please correct me) women at Prophet’s time did observe full parda , some were so careful that only one eye was showing.I dont know about you but i tend to respect those people and i find these remarks very distasteful “Any society calling it a tradition and way of life is filled with haijaRay men worse than haijaRay mules who cannot institute respect and order for women in the society.”
Now if you have some design in mind other than burqa feel free to sell it.
I see you and roman displaying your respectful behaviour towards women on the virtual world more often than i would like. I would hate to witness it in person and so would you.
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It's funny men shout a lot louder than those who are forced to wear burka. Why is that?
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Its also funny that men with little respect for women consider them opressed when they choose to cover up.
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^ agree with this. an excuse to see more women flesh maybe?
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perhaps for sexually frustrated wankers. A flesh is a flesh... the dirt is inside the head that has been conditioned by scripture and culture of fanaticism... seeing a boob has never killed anyone.
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Western women have a CHOICE to wear a bikini or a burkha. Do women in Saudi arabia have that choice. This is what women rights is about. Not about whether one feels closer to god wearing a tent or a bikini.
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^ nope but some people live for that, rather sad wouldnt you say? meant for madhanee
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Yes and western men have a choice to have girlfriends, access to strippers, bachelor parties and pornography and. Average Saudi doesn’t. Allah has laid restrictions over men and women who choose to follow Islam. Your argument is against Islam danday.
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A culture and religion that establishes polyandry as a god given right and harems as part of its legacy, where women’s contribution to the wealth of the nation is only bettered by sub saharan africa is talking about rights for women? You riot when a few women want to run in a marathon but stay silent when they are shot in the head in soccer stadiums, killed by their relatives due to some ill perceived shame on the family.
As far as the girls here in this thread. The reason you pipe up is because you live in the west. If you were living in Saudi arabia, you would be walking around in a tent, with a second class education and the only prospects of a career wold involve being a third wife with scheduled nooky sessions on ednesday afternoons and friday mornings.
Western ideals of what is a woman’s worth are evolving principles that add to the growth of the culture. It is not mired in anachronistic principles shackled by the inabiity of the subjects to change the paradigm due to some fear of hellfire.