she lives in a place where people never lie.. all kids that belong to desi households do not drink, have boyfriends/girlfriends, wear anything above the knees etc etc..
i burst her bubble this weekend..
are your parents also living in a bubble where everyone besides your own offspring is an angel?
I think its just how she wants you to be; perfect in everything 
oh no.. she doesnt see me as an angel :) Yes, but she likes to believe that Pakistanis will never do anything bad. I used to live in the same world...
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but she likes to believe that Pakistanis will never do anything bad.
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:) Take your mum on a trip to pakistan :) and then you will become angle again in her eyes.
kewls she's been back several times and shes been living away from paki for almost 27 years....
My mom is the same way. She's slowly coming to terms with the following:
a) Pakistan is not the same place it was when she left it 27 years ago
b) Not everyone in Pakistan is/was raised the way she was
c) There are multiple cultures in Pakistan
d) Not everything "bad"/different from her lifestyle is adapted from the West or from India.
She knows these things, but she hasn't internalized them, so it still slips out.
^ i know my mums the exact same! but with her, she wont even believe that pakistanis living here in OZ can do all those things.. I tried explaining to her that it doesnt mean they are bad people, just different...
the tragedy is that parents like to make their kids out to be something they are not, my mums niave and believes it all. Thats the problem
tell momi jee
things she cant accpet pakis doing outside Pak is less than what pakis are doing in Pak now a days :)
I personaly know a Paki family in Aus who drink alcohal(both husband and wife) but they are among few of the nicest people i know.
Apearence can be deceiving :) e.g. i might look fat ( that i am) but i dont eat that much :) on the contrary me wife who seems underweight but is a killer when it come to food :) hahahaha
^ hahaha that so cute Kewls 
thats the same with me and my bro
na, i dont think shes ready to knwo what happens in Pakistan… i’ll spare her the grief
hehehe,
just tell her not to think too much :)
naah.. my mom is very realistic and practicle.
so since when is idealism such a bad thing?
sure crap exists and we're not what we used to be, but what we used to be used to define us, and that definition is very sacred to me.
there is a difference between things becoming socially common and socially acceptable.
as far as I am concerned, the profile of a Pakistani does not include drinking, nightclubs, clothes above your knees, all that great wunderbar stuff that your mam presumes does not exist.
As far as I am concerned, it may exist, but so has thievery, so has smuggling, so has prostitution. Just because it happens doesnt make it a part of the idealised.. not even statistically significant real world pakistani profile.
When you go out on the streets of Karachi, you find what you look for. Its a big city. 14 million. I can take you other places where you would find the Pakistan your mother knows about, untouched.
Conservatism massively outweighs liberalism in Pakistan, even in Karachi I assure you that much.
^ hey ravage... umm uve totally misinterpreted what i was saying.
It has nothing to do with what Pakistan was or is now or how we'd like to see it.
My point was that, some people are so innocent, that they overlook all the badness in the world and when they do find out some facts, it shatters their world..
drat. i have?
i read once that denial is one of most useful emotions.
it helps us to hold onto whats really really important to us.
^ yeah so sorry :)
this wasnt a thread to bag Pakistan for what it is or what its not
More so about how we live in a world where nothing is bad, everyone is good, what people tell us is right.. which isnt a bad thing at all. Cus ofcourse theres a lot of good in this world.. but to accept that things are not as they seem, is necessary too
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i read once that denial is one of most useful emotions.
it helps us to hold onto whats really really important to us.
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yes that it is :)
I think she was just devastated how much people can act and get away with things... thats all
I made a good point still 
Even if maybe I was a little offkey.
I wonder waise. Why should one give up on one’s version of the world? I guess one might never truly know what the world is like, ones own experience is hardly statistically significant of the global picture.. and likely to be biased towards what one wants to see.
Should one then picture the world (substitute world for society, pakistan, karachi etc..) as one wants it to be, and behave accordingly.. throwing conflicting inputs out as aberrants from the norm?
Im thinking thats what I tend to do.
one doesnt need to change their version of the world, but one does need to understand that another world can/does exist..
ok.. my topic of discussion came out when my mum ctried onvincing me to meet a guy, when i told her what his intentions were after id see him, she was in disbelief
dont you risk defeating the whole point of defining worlds as bounds of social acceptability if you allow for the existence of alternate ones?
han in the case that you cite, I guess your mum definitely needs to be apprised of what can happen, so she can plan for the worst case.